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Laurie Donahue

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smashwords vs. kindle
Posted: Feb 22, 2013 11:27 AM
 
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Here is a question for any who have used both Smashwords and Kindle. How do you compare sales from the two? It seems that if you are in Kindle Select you get twice the royalty, so if you also have Smashwords sales you would need to sell more than your Kindle sales- to equal the 70% (vs. the 35%). If your Smashwords sales are more than half of your sales it would be good to have both avenues. But if they are less than half it would be better to just sell through Kindle Select. Does that make sense? Just curious to see how you compare the two.

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Laurie
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Marcy Henshaw

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Re: smashwords vs. kindle
Posted: Feb 22, 2013 12:13 PM   in response to: Laurie Donahue in response to: Laurie Donahue
 
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You can opt OUT of Select and still choose the 70% royalty option. Granted some county sales will be at 35%.

Any sales on smashwords in addition to Amazon is a good thing...be it one sale or a billion.

IMO Select is only useful if you need the free promo days to get your book out there (esp 1st in a series). My debut novel is in Select at the moment and I am counting down the days until I break it out of jail! I have it on Smashwords and Lulu.com (but not available to the public) and am just ithching to make them active again. The 2nd book has been out for two days and I did NOT add it to Select. I am DONE with giving any copies away. So done with it.
Laurie Donahue

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Re: smashwords vs. kindle
Posted: Feb 22, 2013 12:29 PM   in response to: Marcy Henshaw in response to: Marcy Henshaw
 
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Oh, thank you, Marcy. I thought only Select got 70%. Why would anyone choose 35% (except for me who thought I had to if I wasn't in Select)?
Miss R Spicer

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Re: smashwords vs. kindle
Posted: Feb 22, 2013 12:32 PM   in response to: Laurie Donahue in response to: Laurie Donahue
 
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Because you can put your books at a much lower price. At the 70% option the minimum I can mark my books at is £1.99. If I choose the 35% option I can drop it to 75p.
Laurie Donahue

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Posted: Feb 22, 2013 12:34 PM   in response to: Miss R Spicer in response to: Miss R Spicer
 
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I see, thank you!!
Miss R Spicer

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Posted: Feb 22, 2013 12:35 PM   in response to: Laurie Donahue in response to: Laurie Donahue
 
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No problem :)
notjohn

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Posted: Feb 22, 2013 12:42 PM   in response to: Laurie Donahue in response to: Laurie Donahue
 
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I long ago opted out of Smashwords for a variety of reasons, the main one being that I wasn't happy with their formatting. It's just not professional, IMHO. I am currently running an experiment there, because SW has recently announced support for the epub format, meaning that one can control how the book looks and doesn't have to go through the infamous Meatgrinder. That's presently on hold because Apple requires that the author's name be on the cover, and in this case mine wasn't. I'll get back to that in a while.

But for the most part I prefer to upload directly. Your two main retailers are Apple and Barnes & Noble, plus there's a Canadian outfit called Kobo. You can upload to Apple through Lulu.com which will create an epub from a Word document. You can upload to B&N and Kobo directly, again using a Word doc if that's your choice. You get paid more quickly by going direct, and in most cases you get a larger share of the retail price.

Kindle Select does offer some advantages, the main one being the ability to "loan" your book to Amazon Prime subscribers for a fee, but Select has been so abused in the past year that now it is mostly a destructive force, for authors and for Amazon, to the point where the company now appears to be trying to rein it in. I think you're much better off having the freedom to publish elsewhere. What you lose by not being in Select will be more than made up by your sales at B&N, Apple, and Kobo.
Miss R Spicer

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Posted: Feb 22, 2013 12:48 PM   in response to: notjohn in response to: notjohn
 
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Just be careful with lulu.com and read the small print very carefully. I didn't and wasn't best pleased when I discovered that, despite the big print saying I was getting a royalty of £3 something per book, that only means sales from the lulu site. Most of my paperback sales were through Amazon and between them they take a huge percentage of your royalty. I think I actually only get 11p now per book. Lesson learned!!
sarbonn

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Posted: Feb 22, 2013 12:50 PM   in response to: Laurie Donahue in response to: Laurie Donahue
 
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While I'm sure some people like Smashwords, it's never garnered a lot of sales for me, while the Kindle has. I also found its process to be annoying, as I would often have to put it through multiple submissions before finally finding the right mix for a novel to be accepted, The "changes" they required were never in my favor, so I just stopped submitting my novels to them.
northwooder

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Posted: Feb 22, 2013 1:53 PM   in response to: sarbonn in response to: sarbonn
 
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Same here sarbonn. I gave Smashwords a full two months on two of my novels with zero sales. I went back to KDP and had loans almost immediately. I'm staying here for as long as they'll have me.
Laurie Donahue

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Posted: Feb 22, 2013 4:23 PM   in response to: Laurie Donahue in response to: Laurie Donahue
 
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Thanks all for the input. This was very helpful! I have just uploaded a book to SW this week. I will see what happens. And yes, I did struggle with the formatting a bit with the Meatgrinder. I will give it a little time and then experiment in going directly as recommended. Thanks so much!
notjohn

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Posted: Feb 23, 2013 3:16 AM   in response to: northwooder in response to: northwooder
 
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I'm staying here for as long as they'll have me.

Barnes & Noble? Apple iBookstore? A year ago they weren't significant players, but now they are.
eclecticmango

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Re: smashwords vs. kindle
Posted: Feb 23, 2013 3:32 AM   in response to: Miss R Spicer in response to: Miss R Spicer
 
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That's for POD--their ebook royalties are a little better than Smashwords and their reporting and payouts are faster.

To the OP, my experience is like notjohn's. In fact, my B&N sales are far higher than on Amazon.
Miss R Spicer

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Re: smashwords vs. kindle
Posted: Feb 23, 2013 3:58 AM   in response to: eclecticmango in response to: eclecticmango
 
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Huh. That's interesting. I uploaded 1 ebook to them but got frustrated with the constant reformatting issues. Perhaps I'll try again.
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