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Andrew Wu

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What is the rulebook for a decent kindle ebook sell?
Posted: Nov 11, 2016 12:23 PM
 
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I understand there are incredibly mean people, and there are good hearted nice people who believe in God and a better world, and we all know who is the 45th resident of the Oval Office.
So when I ask, what is the rule book of selfpublishing on KDP with financial reward for dummy? Please don't laugh, when I assume at some point, my writing skill will improve to the point, that will enable me to write a thriller, with the quality of a Bestseller.
If I wrote such a book, obviously to me, if I just published it my usual way here, it is same as if I dig a hole, and bury my manuscript, my book has Zero visibility(Protest: when I changed the cover of my book, it stacked with the old cover! https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01HYQTNNC).
Amazon is a business, not a charity, and selling books is a tiny part of its over $100 Billion revenue. Unless it spins off its book unit and the new company functioned as a third party vendor, I doubt if Amazon really would have cared about KDP...

Questions:
If I published a book, and no sale come, and I re-write and re-write it, should I unpublish it, and publish it as a new title, or I can just update the old title?
Does KDP has 30 days make it or die internal policy?
Does KDP has indie author ranking system, that gives priority to Top Author, while try its best to conceal wannabe-indie-author-whose-book-suck----who-is-bad-for-the-business--and-embarrass-to-KDP....?
To join the ad-campaign, it requests $100minimal, as a Chinese living in China, I have no access to USD, and prefer to have it self-fund, so unless I enjoyed some sell to cover this $100 launch fee, it is a no-go for me.

Thank you for all the good people here!
Andrew Wu
jeanetteraleigh

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Re: What is the rulebook for a decent kindle ebook sell?
Posted: Nov 11, 2016 5:14 PM   in response to: Andrew Wu in response to: Andrew Wu
 
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I'll try to answer your questions, although I still have to figure out a lot myself.

1) Yes. If you have done a significant rewrite and cover change, you can start fresh. If you do that, make sure to say that it is Edition 2 or you could call it something like "The Expanded Edition" if you've added content. Don't do this repeatedly or readers will think you're trying to scam them. This is something that should be done with caution because new editions are rare. I would test cover changes first ON THIS EDITION and perhaps hire an inexpensive copy editor before trying to make a new edition.
2) It sure does make it a lot harder to get visibility after 30 days, but that seems to affect all books.
3) Ranking definitely helps visibility. You need to sell a lot of books to get a good rank which will help you sell a lot of books. So...it's kind of a matter of getting the right combination of ads, keywords, & luck.
4) Keep writing. Selling one book is really hard. I have a bunch and still struggle even without having to learn a second language to work through it.

I'm impressed that you are writing in a 2nd language. It's a huge accomplishment.
Andrew Wu

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Re: What is the rulebook for a decent kindle ebook sell?
Posted: Nov 12, 2016 2:02 AM   in response to: jeanetteraleigh in response to: jeanetteraleigh
 
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We are competing with all the books accessible through Amazon ever written by all the authors alive or dead.And Amazon's business keeps involving, so its priority would shift over time.
I think realistically an indie author should only write One Book, and keep re-write it until it is qualified as one of the 100-blula-blula-list, or consider it is a dead book with zero reader-interest and move on or give up.
My personal opinion is, reading is more important than writing, as when one has the skill and inspiration, one can write a masterpiece in 6-12 months, on the other hand, one can write a shitty-book-nobody-would-read every month. Writing low quality book is pointless.

If you are interested, you can download my book for free(Please read it....).
http://share.weiyun.com/0b9c006405d4b129af3d4e24e6d789f2
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Re: What is the rulebook for a decent kindle ebook sell?
Posted: Nov 12, 2016 8:14 AM   in response to: Andrew Wu in response to: Andrew Wu
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Andrew Wu wrote:
I understand there are incredibly mean people, and there are good hearted nice people who believe in God and a better world, and we all know who is the 45th resident of the Oval Office.

Has nothing to do with anything. Also, many fine people, good hearted and as nice as you'd ever meet, do not believe in God. Who the president is, or who will be the president, doesn't matter.

So when I ask, what is the rule book of selfpublishing on KDP with financial reward for dummy? Please don't laugh, when I assume at some point, my writing skill will improve to the point, that will enable me to write a thriller, with the quality of a Bestseller.

The "rule", if there is any such thing, is that you must write, edit, polish, whatever you need to do to make the book as good as it can be, before you publish. Your potential readers are not your editors. No one will buy a crap book because the author is new, lazy, dumb or whatever.

Practice before you publish. Get your skills to a professional level before you publish.

If I wrote such a book, obviously to me, if I just published it my usual way here, it is same as if I dig a hole, and bury my manuscript, my book has Zero visibility(Protest: when I changed the cover of my book, it stacked with the old cover! https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01HYQTNNC).

Well, duh. Keep publishing crap, and you'll keep getting bad results. This is not difficult to figure out.

Amazon is a business, not a charity, and selling books is a tiny part of its over $100 Billion revenue. Unless it spins off its book unit and the new company functioned as a third party vendor, I doubt if Amazon really would have cared about KDP...

Amazon started out selling books. The other stuff came later. Amazon does care about KDP. They want people to be successful, but they aren't going to do the work for you.

Questions:
If I published a book, and no sale come, and I re-write and re-write it, should I unpublish it, and publish it as a new title, or I can just update the old title?

You can update the old title, but again, do the work to get the book ready before you think about publishing. As a non-native English speaker, you are going to have to have a really good editor, which takes money.

Does KDP has 30 days make it or die internal policy?

Basically, yes.

Does KDP has indie author ranking system, that gives priority to Top Author, while try its best to conceal wannabe-indie-author-whose-book-suck----who-is-bad-for-the-business--and-embarrass-to-KDP....?

It's nothing to do with whether an author is indie or not. Sell more, get pushed more. If your book sucks, don't expect to get that push. Why would anyone think Amazon owes them anything more than what they've given, which is a platform to publish?

To join the ad-campaign, it requests $100minimal, as a Chinese living in China, I have no access to USD, and prefer to have it self-fund, so unless I enjoyed some sell to cover this $100 launch fee, it is a no-go for me.

A lot of people can't afford to run ads like this, no matter where they are. There are alternatives, which have been discussed here and on every other writer's platform for years. Amazon isn't the only game in town, at risk of flaunting user guidelines, and it would pay anyone to study and learn about the other retail sites to see if it might be better for them to sell there.

I get the feeling that many new authors think someone owes them a chance, or a basic level of sales, or some type of help getting noticed. Some sort of "fairness" in all of this. Not true. A lot of time and heartache could be prevented if people would just start researching the self-publishing world and learn how it really works, before they set out to upload the file. It's hard to sell books. It always has been. The only thing that's changed is that now anyone with access to a computer can publish. Most shouldn't, most will fail. But that's nothing new, either.
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Re: What is the rulebook for a decent kindle ebook sell?
Posted: Nov 12, 2016 10:01 PM   in response to: crazywriterlady in response to: crazywriterlady
 
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Thank you for the detailed advice.

Can you have my new cover replace the old cover? Now the title of book says: Plots To Castrate America, and the old cover says: From Bad To Worse. (I uploaded it several times, but it never changed, it never happened before, usually 2 days later it was replaced, but....). Although I temporarily give up sell, but still....
My book isn't crap, it is full of great ideas, and admittedly needs further polish, if you read the 5000 words prologue, you will agree with me....
Amazon reshuffled the publishing industry, and then move on to better pasture. To the smart-guys in the USA, it is now incredibly stupid to carry the ambtion of writer, America afterall is a country full of opportunities.
From a business prospect, I am a negtive to Amazon, so I am not complaining...

I came to this community to warm my iced heart, the coldness of no-sell is crystal shattering....
da49ve

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Re: What is the rulebook for a decent kindle ebook sell?
Posted: Nov 16, 2016 2:40 AM   in response to: Andrew Wu in response to: Andrew Wu
 
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I still have your book and do still intend to read it. I have, however, been busy with my own book. If anyone else cares to read before I get the chance and to finish it, maybe they might help you to take it further. I have started on it. I will let you know if I have finished reading it.

I wouldn't worry about critiquing or feedback, not if some of the folks over on reddit.com are concerned. I linked a story I wrote for writeon.amazon at the weekend. Instead of constructive objective feedback, all I got was fault-finding and bitching. Although it was a good test, I don't think I'll be linking any more of my writing there. None at reddit, it seems, can write, or have that much of a clue about writing.

Edited by: da49ve on Nov 16, 2016 2:41 AM
Andrew Wu

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Re: What is the rulebook for a decent kindle ebook sell?
Posted: Nov 16, 2016 11:00 AM   in response to: da49ve in response to: da49ve
 
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I think the indie writers world is suffocatingly overcrowded, every year there are more (maybe half a million more?) self-published novels out there, the quantity alone would shift the internal decision of Amazon management, they have to filter, and they are economic animal full of human errors.
Only the best writers with the most luck would be showered with all the traffic and pushed into stardom.

We shouldn't take it too seriously, unless the good charm fairy knocks on our door.
Even if you or me wrote a master piece, there is no guarantee it will sell.

Those amateurish critics are irrelevant, either they buy a book and became a reader, or they are not part of our universe.

After you read my book, and liked it, I would like you to send it to several of your friends, and see if they liked it too. If they also liked it, you shall take the project forward, because I doubt much sell will follow, and if you take the project, you can take over the sell and payment and such. I will prepare to work on my next book in 2017.

I will go back to my reading now....
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Re: What is the rulebook for a decent kindle ebook sell?
Posted: Nov 17, 2016 2:32 AM   in response to: Andrew Wu in response to: Andrew Wu
 
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The crucial point about your book is the writing. It needs a lot of polishing. I'm having a bit of a struggle following (concentrating) on it 1. because of the writing and 2. because it's not my genre. Once this is sorted, you need to review the cover and the descriptive blurb. It's much too long. There are also formatting issues that need to be resolved.
Regarding beta readers, your book could be posted online to gauge likes and dislikes, but it's not your ideas that are the problem. Your head is obviously brimming with them!
Andrew Wu

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Re: What is the rulebook for a decent kindle ebook sell?
Posted: Nov 17, 2016 11:20 PM   in response to: da49ve in response to: da49ve
 
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I agree with you, I will have to rewrite it extensively around 2018 or something, and turn it into a proper sci-fi thriller. The thing now is I don't have that kind of writing skill. I can't say I am a writer, until I am writing beautiful prose.
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Re: What is the rulebook for a decent kindle ebook sell?
Posted: Nov 19, 2016 10:02 AM   in response to: Andrew Wu in response to: Andrew Wu
 
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I think the indie writers world is suffocatingly overcrowded

A wise observation, and one that you should ponder.

In the meantime, crazywriterlady has given you some excellent advice.

Good luck! -- NJ

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The blog: Notjohn's KDP Guide
MR R J LAIDLER

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Re: What is the rulebook for a decent kindle ebook sell?
Posted: Nov 20, 2016 1:32 PM   in response to: Andrew Wu in response to: Andrew Wu
 
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I think the idea you can't have a successful book unless it is perfectly crafted is not always correct and also the related idea that if you do produce a perfectly formatted and grammatically correct work it should in turn be a success.
With novels if you have a good story and can write the classic "page turner" you could have a big hit on your hands even if other things might be weak from a technical point of view. My point is readers (these days?) will forgive grammar and even spelling mistakes if the story is good enough.
Dickens, for example, is not remembered for his perfect spelling but for his stories and characters. Which is not meant as a criticism of those who strive to correct their spelling (I uploaded a revised book file just to correct a single word yesterday) but a good story will trump poor spelling every time. One is easily remedied, the other, if it isn't there, is a massive problem.
Publishing has changed. Traditionally, writers wouldn't see their work in print without it having gone through several hands. Now with Indie publishing some rather raw books are being published and some of them, a minority true, are very successful.
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Re: What is the rulebook for a decent kindle ebook sell?
Posted: Nov 20, 2016 2:12 PM   in response to: MR R J LAIDLER in response to: MR R J LAIDLER
 
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For that to work, the reader has to be hooked from the beginning, and also the book needs exposure. For word-of-mouth to occur, it can only happen to an excellent & really excellent novel. Currently there is Zero traffic @ my book, so even if it is a page-turner, nobody will turn the page.
It has to be a good book, a page-turner, and the most critical part is: Amazon thought so! Put it on some sort of list, and Jesus/Mary/Joseph. Thank You God!

Would you care to read the Prologue I posted at previous thread:
https://kdp.amazon.com/community/thread.jspa?threadID=323262&start=0&tstart=45
And advice, if it is good....

If you have good grammar, and good prose, and good everything else, at least it has a better chance with the Gods of Amazon.
The powerful make all the rules...don't even argue with them.
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Re: What is the rulebook for a decent kindle ebook sell?
Posted: Nov 20, 2016 2:40 PM   in response to: Andrew Wu in response to: Andrew Wu
 
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I don't understand the question you asked here. The language is pretty stilted. Did you mean something like "What are the rules for a decent kindle ebook to sell?"
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As it appears right now, your book is not a "decent" ebook.
Do yourself a big favour: Hire a native speaker of English to edit your book--for BOTH language and content. Terms like "Japs" and "Chinks" are insulting to those groups. We do not use those terms willy-nilly.
I just read the first three paragraphs of your book. It needs a great deal of work. You should pull it out and fix it, then you can put it back.
I guarantee you that it is not going to do well as it stands right now. The first (and only) review so far is quite clear on the matter.
Just sayin'
Cheers.
MR R J LAIDLER

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Re: What is the rulebook for a decent kindle ebook sell?
Posted: Nov 20, 2016 2:55 PM   in response to: Andrew Wu in response to: Andrew Wu
 
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My post was more of a philosophical comment and not aimed at your book, which I had not seen at the time. What I was trying to suggest was readers will gloss over writing errors if the story grips them from the outset. Easy enough for me to say, devilishly difficult to do.
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Re: What is the rulebook for a decent kindle ebook sell?
Posted: Nov 9, 2017 10:44 PM   in response to: Andrew Wu in response to: Andrew Wu
 
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Wow, people were kind of harsh. I hope I don't have to ask any questions that may sound dumb to some people and get the cruel responses that the guy did last year. Yikes... How about the saying "if you don't have anything nice to say then don't say anything at all"?
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