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Vellum Drop Cap and other Features No Longer Display at Look Inside
Posted: Nov 16, 2016 6:43 PM
 
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Two months ago, I purchased Vellum after reading so many positive reviews here on KDP Community regarding the beautiful formatting that is shown by the "Look Inside" feature of Kindle Books.

I wrote a new book with Vellum and uploaded it to Amazon.

I waited the 7 days that Amazon prescribes for the LITB to take before it is visible for Vellum Books.

I waited another 7 days for the drop cap and other Vellum features to show at the LITB.

It has not happened.

I contacted KDP and informed them of the problem and they have not been able to solve the problem, nor will they tell me why it is not working.

I don't know if this is a problem now for all Vellum books, or if this is just a temporary and will be resolved.

If anyone else has recently experience this same problem, please write a response and tell me what happened with your Vellum formatted book; if you experienced any problem and how they were resolved.

Thanks

Rob

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Re: Vellum Drop Cap and other Features No Longer Display at Look Inside
Posted: Nov 17, 2016 1:29 PM   in response to: bible-audiobooks in response to: bible-audiobooks
 
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Drop caps have always been iffy on kindles. I’m not surprised it didn’t work for you. Generally the advice on this forum is to forget drop caps. Use a bolded larger font size opening capital letter. Just remember that any drop caps you create with special formatting will more than likely only work on new e-readers. The millions of old ones still in use will never see them.
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Re: Vellum Drop Cap and other Features No Longer Display at Look Inside
Posted: Nov 17, 2016 1:40 PM   in response to: huemann in response to: huemann
 
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huemann wrote:
Drop caps have always been iffy on kindles. I’m not surprised it didn’t work for you. Generally the advice on this forum is to forget drop caps. Use a bolded larger font size opening capital letter. Just remember that any drop caps you create with special formatting will more than likely only work on new e-readers. The millions of old ones still in use will never see them.

The drop caps on Kindle works just fine. The text that was formatted on Vellum looks beautiful on the Kindle.

The problem is that drop caps and all of the other formatting, does not appear at the "Look Inside" feature at Amazon when a person looks at your books.

This feature was working great two months ago, but it seems that they are having some kind of problem now.

I receive notice that they are working on the problem. They promised to get back to me by the end of the day on November 18, 2016.

Rob

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Re: Vellum Drop Cap and other Features No Longer Display at Look Inside
Posted: Nov 17, 2016 1:57 PM   in response to: bible-audiobooks in response to: bible-audiobooks
 
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The only proper way of accurately implementing dropcaps in Kindle is to use media queries within the epub CSS. Doing it this way, the dropcaps should look fine across all Kindle readers. But to do this, you will also have to code this manually in html using Sigil, so unfortunately you must also have some in-depth knowledge of html.
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Re: Vellum Drop Cap and other Features No Longer Display at Look Inside
Posted: Nov 17, 2016 4:57 PM   in response to: William Thompson in response to: William Thompson
 
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Vellum automatically creates media queries in the files that it generates for Kindles. They work quite well on those devices that accept them.
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Posted: Nov 17, 2016 5:16 PM   in response to: peterspenser in response to: peterspenser
 
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peterspenser wrote:
Vellum automatically creates media queries in the files that it generates for Kindles. They work quite well on those devices that accept them.

Peter:

They do, unless someone opens it on a PPW or Voyage, and does NOT use the Publisher Font. Then they have the same problems--actually, worse--than the normal dropcap. I've looked into Vellum, and yeah, it makes nice books if you have a Mac, although the number of styles is somewhat limited.

They obviously put a lot of effort into their books.

I do know that something else is afoot; Scrivener books are, apparently, (the mobis) suddenly having issues at the KDP, too. Don't know if these issues are related.

Offered solely FWIW.

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Posted: Nov 17, 2016 9:58 PM   in response to: booknookbiz in response to: booknookbiz
 
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That's true, and I understand. What I was pointing out was that, with Vellum, one does not have to code the media queries by hand.

Also, at least one of the Vellum Styles, Meridian, creates a "normal" dropcap, with no Publisher font used. It displays correctly on, for example, my Kindle Keyboard.

As for the Scrivener problems, KFX seems to be in a recurring state of flux, with the goal (one hopes) of ultimately getting better and better. The Vellum creators have been going through the same thing: having to tweak their code every now and then because of changes in what the KDP conversion process does with the uploaded files, or how the LOOK INSIDE displays one's book this week (as opposed to how it used to display it last week).

On the plus side: Amazon's Enhanced Typesetting aspect of KFX is a worthy addition to their conversion process, and they are continually working to make it perform better.
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Re: Vellum Drop Cap and other Features No Longer Display at Look Inside
Posted: Nov 18, 2016 3:09 AM   in response to: booknookbiz in response to: booknookbiz
 
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They do, unless someone opens it on a PPW or Voyage, and does NOT use the Publisher Font. Then they have the same problems--actually, worse--than the normal dropcap

I went through some of the Vellum-created books by Kboard authors who use this system (the great thing about Kboards is that most posters show their books along with their advice, so the latter can be compared to the former). I was looking especially for the Paperwhite problem you mentioned earler. Indeed, it popped right up. It wasn't bad, exactly, and the typical reader probably wouldn't notice that anything was amiss. On my Paperwhite, the drop cap seemed to be floating in a space too large for it, four lines deep as I recall. So I went looking for Publisher Fonts. That option was unchecked, so I gather that No Publisher Fonts is the Paperwhite default.

I can't imagine why anyone other than a book publisher would ever bother to change that setting.

I think it's a very promising bit of software, though still somewhat limited. Supposedly there are eight templates or models or styles, but dang if I can tell one from the other. The drop cap problem (from what I've seen) doesn't seem disabling. And not everyone has trouble with drop caps on Look Inside. See this book for example: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01M4QNFX9/?tag=kbsig-20

Looks okay to me, if a bit prissy.

Good luck! -- NJ

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Re: Vellum Drop Cap and other Features No Longer Display at Look Inside
Posted: Nov 18, 2016 5:02 PM   in response to: Notjohn in response to: Notjohn
 
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Notjohn wrote:
They do, unless someone opens it on a PPW or Voyage, and does NOT use the Publisher Font. Then they have the same problems--actually, worse--than the normal dropcap

I went through some of the Vellum-created books by Kboard authors who use this system (the great thing about Kboards is that most posters show their books along with their advice, so the latter can be compared to the former). I was looking especially for the Paperwhite problem you mentioned earler. Indeed, it popped right up. It wasn't bad, exactly, and the typical reader probably wouldn't notice that anything was amiss. On my Paperwhite, the drop cap seemed to be floating in a space too large for it, four lines deep as I recall. So I went looking for Publisher Fonts. That option was unchecked, so I gather that No Publisher Fonts is the Paperwhite default.

I can't imagine why anyone other than a book publisher would ever bother to change that setting.

I think it's a very promising bit of software, though still somewhat limited. Supposedly there are eight templates or models or styles, but dang if I can tell one from the other. The drop cap problem (from what I've seen) doesn't seem disabling. And not everyone has trouble with drop caps on Look Inside. See this book for example: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01M4QNFX9/?tag=kbsig-20

Looks okay to me, if a bit prissy.

Good luck! -- NJ

I said, problems with the Dropcap on PPW and Voyage, actually. I like what they do in the LITB. :-)

Hitch
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