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Karma

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Difference between Creat space and KDP Amazon
Posted: Jan 16, 2017 10:44 AM
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I want to make an eBook and a paper book and don't see what the difference is between Create Space and KDP?
KDP lets you make a print book and eBook while it seems Create Space lets you only make a print book?

I have one login for both.

Sorry to seem stupid

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Re: Difference between Creat space and KDP Amazon
Posted: Jan 16, 2017 11:23 AM   in response to: Karma in response to: Karma
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The KDP print program is fairly new--they just rolled out the beta at the end of September.
Many seem pleased with KDP print, others have found the interface buggy and the experience less than satisfying.

CreateSpace has been doing this awhile--their interface works smoothly and their paperbacks are considered among the best to be found in POD books. They are NOT perfect--I've had a few issues with books over 500 pages--but they'll keep working until you're satisfied with the product.

CreateSpace will send print proofs to examine before approving the book for sale. They will also sell author copies at a discounted price. AND they will distribute the book to other markets of your choosing. As of now, KDP for Print offers none of those advantages.
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Re: Difference between Creat space and KDP Amazon
Posted: Jan 16, 2017 12:54 PM   in response to: Karma in response to: Karma
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KDP will eventually be taking over the role of POD of print books for Amazon. I believe the goal is to eventually offer all the services supplied by CS. I have heard of people changing to KDP, then wanting to change back to CS because of quality and bug issues. At present CS offers great quality and good discounts on author copies. I am not looking forward to changing.
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Re: Difference between Creat space and KDP Amazon
Posted: Jan 16, 2017 3:06 PM   in response to: Josef Peeters in response to: Josef Peeters
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Josef Peeters wrote:
KDP will eventually be taking over the role of POD of print books for Amazon. I believe the goal is to eventually offer all the services supplied by CS. I have heard of people changing to KDP, then wanting to change back to CS because of quality and bug issues. At present CS offers great quality and good discounts on author copies. I am not looking forward to changing.
Joe.

Have you been told something to which no one else is privy? There's certainly been no statement from Amazon, CreateSpace or KDP to that effect. CreateSpace is a fully functioning and well established company in which Amazon has invested millions. It makes no sense that CreateSpace would be junked, especially when they do a brisk business in not only POD but video and music production. Many indie filmmakers, bands and small music labels depend upon CreateSpace for their products. I am not privy to any of Amazon's secrets either, but it seems logical that the purpose of rolling out KDP-Print has been to achieve what has happened, that people who never thought of doing a print edition or had never heard of CreateSpace have decided to give it a try. With Amazon now trying to fill the bookstore void left by the collapse of so many booksellers (the one national and the few regional chains remaining are tottering), Amazon may be doing nothing more than trying to bring their own brand to an audience that does not buy online. OTOH, you might be right, but I hope not...I won't willingly change to an inferior company with worse customer service.

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Re: Difference between Creat space and KDP Amazon
Posted: Jan 16, 2017 5:18 PM   in response to: Karma in response to: Karma
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If you make your print book with Create Space you can still make an e-book with KDP and they will be linked on Amazon.

With Create Space you can set your book up for extended distribution and you can buy proof copies and author copies at cost. (These features will be added to KDP on some future date). But I take it proof and author copies are more of an advantage in the US than elsewhere.

With Create Space you can set up discount codes and you get a higher royalty if you sell through your own e-store (which is easy to set up in Create Space) but doing so means if you customers have Prime they won’t get those advantages – like free shipping.

With Create Space you have to look at a different report for sales of the print copy than the e-book sales. (But I don't find that to be a big deal.)
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Posted: Jan 16, 2017 5:24 PM   in response to: Ralph E Vaughan in response to: Ralph E Vaughan
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Not personally, and I am only commenting on the print capacity of CS. Their other functions may well be preserved for all I know. All the long-time forum members of Createspace are acknowledging the merger/takeover however. There is a sombre tone in the forum to the realisation that CS will soon be no more for print media. I believe that Amazon started their Createspace function long before the ebook became popular and profitable. Amazon hooked into that market with the Kindle reader and subsequent ebook publishing platform. I suppose it made sense to them in the long run to combine the two entities into one offering both print and digital book publishing. Most CS proponents are not keen to transfer to KDP for their print versions as the system seems inferior in many ways to the CS platform. Many CS members are migrating to IS for their paperback versions as a result. I tried to contact CS for an update or timeline, but they were unwilling to comment. Personally, I would be very pleased if it was all purely gossip gone wrong, but that does not appear to be the case.
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Posted: Jan 16, 2017 5:41 PM   in response to: Josef Peeters in response to: Josef Peeters
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Josef Peeters wrote:
All the long-time forum members of Createspace are acknowledging the merger/takeover however. ...I tried to contact CS for an update or timeline, but they were unwilling to comment.

Then it's all conjecture. Until we hear it from Createspace/Amazon it's a rumor.

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Posted: Jan 16, 2017 9:13 PM   in response to: Amy Davis in response to: Amy Davis
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Yeah, like we get told everything the moment it happens eh? If it wasn't for the rumour mill nobody would know anything, but hey, like I said, if it's only a rumour...YAY!
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Posted: Jan 16, 2017 11:06 PM   in response to: Amy Davis in response to: Amy Davis
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Amy Davis wrote:
Josef Peeters wrote:
All the long-time forum members of Createspace are acknowledging the merger/takeover however. ...I tried to contact CS for an update or timeline, but they were unwilling to comment.

Then it's all conjecture. Until we hear it from Createspace/Amazon it's a rumor.


Like the rumour started by someone trying to keep up his post count that the kdp option for paperback has loads of bugs? That sort of rumour? If Amazon are not planning on phasing out Createspace, I see no point in them offering this new interface.

However, to answer the OP's question, if you have never done it before I would suggest you use CS as it has more detailed instructions and more help available. You can always transfer it later if you so wish. What most seem to have against the kdp option is no proof copies and no author price, but if you don't live in the States, that isn't really a problem anyway. The cover option on the kdp paperback is more of a headache, at least that's how I think.
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Posted: Jan 17, 2017 3:31 PM   in response to: Josef Peeters in response to: Josef Peeters
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Josef Peeters wrote:
Yeah, like we get told everything the moment it happens eh?

We'll know when we know. It's possible that by the they make that decision (if they do) KDP will be just as good as Creatspace.

If it wasn't for the rumour mill nobody would know anything, but hey, like I said, if it's only a rumour...YAY!

By definition if it's a rumor we still don't know anything. Rumor's like this can cause the sort of panic that creates a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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Posted: Jan 17, 2017 3:39 PM   in response to: Florrie Person in response to: Florrie Person
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Florrie Person wrote:
Like the rumour started by someone trying to keep up his post count that the kdp option for paperback has loads of bugs? That sort of rumour?

It depends on weather that poster is speaking of their own experience or just guessing. But one can't assume bugs encountered at one point haven't been fixed.

If Amazon are not planning on phasing out Createspace, I see no point in them offering this new interface.

To say you see no point is a reasonable statement. My problem is with posters who state things as if they are facts when they don't actually have the info from a reliable source.
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Posted: Jan 17, 2017 10:49 PM   in response to: Amy Davis in response to: Amy Davis
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Amy Davis wrote:
Florrie Person wrote:
Like the rumour started by someone trying to keep up his post count that the kdp option for paperback has loads of bugs? That sort of rumour?

It depends on weather that poster is speaking of their own experience or just guessing. But one can't assume bugs encountered at one point haven't been fixed.

If Amazon are not planning on phasing out Createspace, I see no point in them offering this new interface.

To say you see no point is a reasonable statement. My problem is with posters who state things as if they are facts when they don't actually have the info from a reliable source.

My point exactly, Amy. Someone who has never tried it but likes the sound of his own voice (metaphorically) and doesn't approve because it's new so he can't pretend to be an authority. I have used the new kdp paperback option on several occasions, both transferring from CS and publishing from scratch and, as I said, the only thing I've had any problem with is the cover part. The creator is not as good nor as flexible as Createspace and you can't use a jpg for the wraparound, which I find annoying. The book does get approved and on sale quicker, a lot quicker.

Amazon have promised proof copies and author copies in the future, but again, it has always been cheaper for me, in the UK, to buy from the sales page.
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