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Jonathan B

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What Would You Want Covered in an Indie-Related Panel Discussion?
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If you were going to a literary convention, what would you want to see on indie-related panel discussions or presentations? What subjects would you want covered?
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How they develop their plots. Do they use the three act play format? The hero's journey? Or do they just wing it? Do they consider archetypes when developing characters?

Where do indies see genre literature going in the next ten years? Will the same genre continue to be popular?

How do current events affect popular literature?
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Jonathan B wrote:
If you were going to a literary convention, what would you want to see on indie-related panel discussions or presentations? What subjects would you want covered?

That depends on the audience.

What topics are already being covered?

I would hope that a clear distinction would be made between self publishing and Vanity publishing.

I would also hope that there would be a discussion with regards to Author Earnings Report as well as the business side of self publishing.

Too often newbies don't realize that once the book is written and edited, the hard part begins.

A list of resources for newbies would be helpful.
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Since discoverability can be a challenge as an indie, I'd be interested in any insights the panel could provide on search engine evolution.

For example, might tomorrow's readers be able to narrow their searches by setting preference profiles on sliding scales of:
  • romance (sweet to spicy)
  • mystery (intensity of violence, complexity of plot)
  • possible exclusions (such as readers who wish to avoid any story that involves injury to a pet - that's come up in some John Wick and Care of Wooden Floors reviews)
  • random - surprise me type suggestions
or
will they turn to friends (or outside sources) for suggestions in order to wade through the increasing number of choices available.
or
???
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Diana Persaud wrote:
Jonathan B wrote:
If you were going to a literary convention, what would you want to see on indie-related panel discussions or presentations? What subjects would you want covered?

That depends on the audience.

What topics are already being covered?

I would hope that a clear distinction would be made between self publishing and Vanity publishing.

I would also hope that there would be a discussion with regards to Author Earnings Report as well as the business side of self publishing.

Too often newbies don't realize that once the book is written and edited, the hard part begins.

A list of resources for newbies would be helpful.
David Gaughran
The Passive Voice (Links to D. Gaughran and J. Konrath and other self publishing gurus--KKR and her husband, DW Smith, along with a host of others)
Kboards
Author Earnings Report


It will mostly given to established authors, the bulk being traditionally published. There will be one panel given by suppliers of services (such as Amazon), one presentation to discuss the process, and one open panel that can be on almost anything.
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Jonathan B wrote:

It will mostly given to established authors, the bulk being traditionally published. There will be one panel given by suppliers of services (such as Amazon), one presentation to discuss the process, and one open panel that can be on almost anything.

I'm not sure what a Trad published author might ask. Not sure if they keep tabs on the publishing atmosphere or if they believe the nonsense the Big Houses are putting out there.

Midlist authors might be trapped in a contract they can't get out of. Depending on the wording on the contract, they might not be able to self publish. Certainly they need to consult an IP lawyer if that is a concern.

As to publishing, that's easy.

Discoverability is harder. But a panel can't do anything about that. Only Amazon and other distributors can. Unfortunately only Amazon seems to do anything about giving Indies a helping hand.

Do you expect trad published authors to look down on selfpublished authors? To lump the scammers and scampamphleleteers in with the rest of us?

Edited by: Diana Persaud on Mar 3, 2017 1:12 PM

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Diana Persaud wrote:
Jonathan B wrote:

It will mostly given to established authors, the bulk being traditionally published. There will be one panel given by suppliers of services (such as Amazon), one presentation to discuss the process, and one open panel that can be on almost anything.

I'm not sure what a Trad published author might ask. Not sure if they keep tabs on the publishing atmosphere or if they believe the nonsense the Big Houses are putting out there.

Midlist authors might be trapped in a contract they can't get out of. Depending on the wording on the contract, they might not be able to self publish. Certainly they need to consult an IP lawyer if that is a concern.

As to publishing, that's easy.

Discoverability is harder. But a panel can't do anything about that. Only Amazon and other distributors can. Unfortunately only Amazon seems to do anything about giving Indies a helping hand.

Do you expect trad published authors to look down on selfpublished authors? To lump the scammers and scampamphleleteers in with the rest of us?

Edited by: Diana Persaud on Mar 3, 2017 1:12 PM


Yes, a few trad-published authors do look down upon indies. I've had one or two writers, one who only had a couple of short stories published, who were eagerly talking to me until they found out I was an indie. Then it was as if a light switched was turned. I was almost tempted to tell the one guy that I make four or five times mroe than he did with each of my short stories, but I just let it go.

On the other hand, most trad authors are now eager to dip their toes into the indie pool. The money is too good, and some of them have huge backlists. My genre professional organization helps these writers regain their rights. Many of them are older and not too computer savy, though, and they don't have a clue as how to proceed.

There should be a good number of indies at the conference, but if they are there, they are probably already somewhat familiar with the process. For me, though, I know very little about advertising and things like Patreon and Kickstarter, where many indies do quite well, so I will be pushing for some panels by those folks.
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