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MR TARIQ RASHID

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Alternatives to Createspace for successful book?
Posted: Jul 12, 2017 5:56 AM
 
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Hi

I'm lucky that my book has done well. It sells on average 30 ebooks a day and 9 print on demand books per day. That's a pretty steady rate as in it rarely sells less than 6 print on demand a day.

CreateSpace's pricing assumes high risk. They assume you may only sell one book a month, and their pricing covers this.

My book has been seeking at that rate for about a year.

I have asked Createspace to see if they can adjust the prices (the cost over which my price makes a margin) to reflect the fact that they've been printing on average 8 books a day for a year, and the trend is slowly up not down.

They aren't flexible so I wondered if there were any alternatives.

I have licenced publishers for overseas translations but I have so far refused to allow a publisher to take the English version as they don't pay enough.

Thanks for your thoughts.
Diana Persaud

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Re: Alternatives to Createspace for successful book?
Posted: Jul 12, 2017 6:10 AM   in response to: MR TARIQ RASHID in response to: MR TARIQ RASHID
 
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MR TARIQ RASHID wrote:
Hi

I'm lucky that my book has done well. It sells on average 30 ebooks a day and 9 print on demand books per day. That's a pretty steady rate as in it rarely sells less than 6 print on demand a day.

CreateSpace's pricing assumes high risk. They assume you may only sell one book a month, and their pricing covers this.

My book has been seeking at that rate for about a year.

I have asked Createspace to see if they can adjust the prices (the cost over which my price makes a margin) to reflect the fact that they've been printing on average 8 books a day for a year, and the trend is slowly up not down.

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> They aren't flexible so I wondered if there were any alternatives.

I have licenced publishers for overseas translations but I have so far refused to allow a publisher to take the English version as they don't pay enough.

Thanks for your thoughts.

Print on Demand is going to be more expensive per book. That's just the way it is. They are set up as a POD and nothing else.

What you need is a printer that will print a lot of copies for a lower price per book BUT keep in mind your initial cost is going to be higher because you need to pay for those books and sell them yourself.

I don't know if Ingram Spark can meet your needs or not. Never used them. You may also want to look into local printers in your area and see what they can offer (also the quality of the cover and inside text matters).

Melinda Clayton

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Re: Alternatives to Createspace for successful book?
Posted: Jul 12, 2017 7:04 AM   in response to: MR TARIQ RASHID in response to: MR TARIQ RASHID
 
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I'm a little confused by your questions. You adjust the price, not CreateSpace, so is it that you feel in order to make a profit, you have to price it too high for customers? As Diana said, that's the nature of print-on-demand. You can always try IngramSpark, but I don't know that you'd find it any better. It's also print-on-demand, and in order to have a better chance of getting your book on physical store shelves, they recommend a discount of 40% or better. The good news is, your profit should still be slightly higher when it sells in stores other than Amazon, simply because you're leaving out the middleman (CreateSpace Expanded Distribution) if you go directly with IngramSpark.

I sell on Amazon through CreateSpace, and in other stores through IngramSpark: http://www.indiesunlimited.com/2016/12/14/moving-print-book-files-from-createspace-to-ingramspark/

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Notjohn

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Re: Alternatives to Createspace for successful book?
Posted: Jul 12, 2017 12:18 PM   in response to: MR TARIQ RASHID in response to: MR TARIQ RASHID
 
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IngramSpark will SELL books to you at a lower price, the more you order, but that won't affect what the customer pays.

CreateSpace, IngramSpark, and KDP Print are all American operations with consequent cost-of-living issues. They do print in Europe, but the cost of living there is generally just as high. No way is a book printed in the US or Europe going to be attractively priced in India. The only way around this would be to find an Indian printer and to market and mail them yourself.

(If you're in India, I apologize, but I'm guessing the same logic applies to wherever you're based.)

By my standards, a CS book is incredibly cheap. The unit price is about $3.50, with perhaps one dollar additional for an order of ten books for shipping.All the rest is the bookseller's profit and the author's royalty. You can of course set your royalty close to zero, so you should be able to set a retail price of say $5.95 on Amazon.

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Amis

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Re: Alternatives to Createspace for successful book?
Posted: Jul 12, 2017 2:40 PM   in response to: MR TARIQ RASHID in response to: MR TARIQ RASHID
 
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The problem is they are only set up to print one order at a time regardless of how many orders you get. There are POD printers that will charge less if you print in bulk (usually starting at 50 copies) if you ship them all to one address and at the quantities you are selling (if you are confident your sales will continue and can afford to put the money out) you could get a better price printing enough for a year or so with a traditional printer.

However, either of these methods would mean storing the books and selling/distributing them yourself, or finding someone to do it for you and there will be costs involved either way (and of course you would have made the investment if sales drop off). So, you would need to look into all that and decide whether it’s something you want to bite off before you decide on bulk printing.

PS: Congrats on your sales!

Edited by: Amis on Jul 12, 2017 2:50 PM
billhiatt

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Re: Alternatives to Createspace for successful book?
Posted: Jul 13, 2017 8:32 AM   in response to: Amis in response to: Amis
 
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Amis wrote:
The problem is they are only set up to print one order at a time regardless of how many orders you get. There are POD printers that will charge less if you print in bulk (usually starting at 50 copies) if you ship them all to one address and at the quantities you are selling (if you are confident your sales will continue and can afford to put the money out) you could get a better price printing enough for a year or so with a traditional printer.

However, either of these methods would mean storing the books and selling/distributing them yourself, or finding someone to do it for you and there will be costs involved either way (and of course you would have made the investment if sales drop off). So, you would need to look into all that and decide whether it’s something you want to bite off before you decide on bulk printing.

PS: Congrats on your sales!

Edited by: Amis on Jul 12, 2017 2:50 PM

Even if one buys copies from another POD, it takes a very large order to get the production costs down as low as those on CS, unless something has changed radically since the last time I checked. I priced one of my books on other services using the the same specs I use for CS, and it always took an order of hundreds to get close to the CS price.
Amis

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Re: Alternatives to Createspace for successful book?
Posted: Jul 13, 2017 9:57 AM   in response to: billhiatt in response to: billhiatt
 
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billhiatt wrote:
I priced one of my books on other services using the the same specs I use for CS, and it always took an order of hundreds to get close to the CS price.

At 9 books a day the OP is selling hundreds in a month. The question is how long that will continue.
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