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awcmon

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OK - what's the real rule on PAGE NUMBERING??
Posted: Jan 30, 2012 7:56 PM
 
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Before I spend another 7 hours crying over my laptop, can anyone give me a definitive answer about page numbering, please? I've already formatted my ebook with headers which includes my name, title and pg. numbers. And I did all this according to posts I read by other authors (not here) Now, when I went to look at the formatting of ebooks on kindle, NOBODY, and I mean no one had a page number within their document. I don't have an electronic reader yet, so I don't know how kindle or any of the others work. But, I read a few posts on this forum that we should "erase" any footers/headers/pg. numbers. Some folks say that this stuff isn't necessary for kindle. But what about other electronic readers? And what about people who may just want to download a pdf of an ebook? Shouldn't we retain page numbering for them? I'm trying my best not to be confused.

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skookumpete

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Re: OK - what's the real rule on PAGE NUMBERING??
Posted: Jan 30, 2012 8:41 PM   in response to: awcmon in response to: awcmon
 
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Why would you not look at Amazon's own formatting guides rather than trying to learn from random posts?

[i]For digital books, page numbers don’t really apply. This is due to the fact that Kindle content is resizable, and the number of pages within the book changes as the text scales. It is highly recommended that your book has an active Table of Contents for easy navigation. [/i]

https://kdp.amazon.com/self-publishing/help?topicId=A2RYO17TIRUIVI

For books that have printed versions, Amazon has a mechanism to make the "page numbers" on the Go To menu match up with the printed book. Otherwise, these numbers are arbitrary.
createspacerjen

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Re: OK - what's the real rule on PAGE NUMBERING??
Posted: Jan 30, 2012 9:50 PM   in response to: awcmon in response to: awcmon
 
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Page numbering are not really necessary in Kindle or any ebook reader because every book has a linked TOC. The reader would just go to TOC and click to wherever chapter he wants.

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punchygonzales

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Re: OK - what's the real rule on PAGE NUMBERING??
Posted: Jan 30, 2012 10:01 PM   in response to: createspacerjen in response to: createspacerjen
 
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Big book publishers have access to a proprietary format called Topaz that can display page numbers, but we can't use it.

Getting to the chapter does not get you to the page you want within the chapter, and sometimes chapters are very long. I personally wish there were a way for all e-books to have page numbers. Actually, there is a way by simply adding a blank line with the page number under the text at exactly the place where it appears in the print book like this:
22
But most people don't want anything to do with it, thinking it looks odd if it appears in the middle of a page. I couldn't care less where it appears. I read mostly non-fiction and do a lot of research intext books. Getting to an exact page quickly is important to me, as well as being able to reference an exact page in my footnotes. It's extremely inconvenient not having page numbers just because people think they look bad on an e-book. Looks be damned. It's all about function and convenience.
candescentpress

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Re: OK - what's the real rule on PAGE NUMBERING??
Posted: Jan 31, 2012 2:34 AM   in response to: punchygonzales in response to: punchygonzales
 
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Big book publishers have access to a proprietary format called Topaz that can display page numbers, but we can't use it.

I was reading an explanation recently of how to add page numbers, but it was fiendishly complex. There was an extra file you needed to create with a huge amount of entries (a bit like an NCX on steroids), which allowed you to link the pages of a print book to the eBook.

It was really only appropriate for complex print text books that were referenced by page elsewhere and was a lot of work. Page numbers in books always have to reference a particular edition so I don't see why that won't be extended to eBooks. (It will be one day, but I can think of ten reasons right now why it would make anyone trying to organise it begin to cry uncontrollably!).

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davidwaine1

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Re: OK - what's the real rule on PAGE NUMBERING??
Posted: Jan 31, 2012 10:38 AM   in response to: awcmon in response to: awcmon
 
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Use the header and page numbering that you described on your master copy. This will make it much easier to edit. Neither is needed for the version you upload, however.

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skookumpete

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Re: OK - what's the real rule on PAGE NUMBERING??
Posted: Jan 31, 2012 11:48 AM   in response to: createspacerjen in response to: createspacerjen
 
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[i] every book has a linked TOC[/i]

I wish that were true, but it isn't.

Or are you just answering questions randomly to publicize your services?
awcmon

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Re: OK - what's the real rule on PAGE NUMBERING??
Posted: Jan 31, 2012 2:49 PM   in response to: awcmon in response to: awcmon
 
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Thanks to ALL for the great info and references; i missed amazon's rules on formatting and I'm happy to know that there is a guide that I can follow. What I think I'll do is create 2 versions of my book -- one for PDF which will include page numbers and one for electronic readers which will include a TOC and NO pg. numbers.
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