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Laura McCorkind...

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Physical book SELLER ACCOUNT or AMAZON ADVANTAGE
Posted: Oct 6, 2017 4:31 PM
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Hi Everyone, maybe you can assist!

I have an illustrated book and it's being printed by a local printer ..... because I had very specific details in terms of quality of paper and look of the book so CreateSpace was not an option.

My KDP digital book goes on sale Nov 1st.

In order to sell the physical books, I gather I either need to open a seller's account and send the books out myself (which I"m willing to do), open a seller's account and pay amazon to fulfill OR set up an Amazon Advantage account.

Anyone who has experience with the options or has thoughts, it would be much appreciated as I'm on a deadline (obviously, oy :) and am trying to figure out the best route very quickly. I'd of course prefer someone else handle everything for me, but I wanted to do the smartest thing in the moment, whatever is easiest, the dollar here or there doesn't really matter to me. Also my printer says they are willing to fulfill and ship, but they are not a seller with Amazon.

Hope this all makes sense, and much appreciate your detailed input!

PS: Also anyone with any tips re Draft2Digital ... I'm filling all that out too even though I also have the digital book up for sale on Itunes.

Thank you!
Notjohn

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Re: Physical book SELLER ACCOUNT or AMAZON ADVANTAGE
Posted: Oct 6, 2017 4:40 PM   in response to: Laura McCorkind... in response to: Laura McCorkind...
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I only know about Amazon Advantage. I got a hundred copies of a discontinued book for a dollar each and set out to sell them on Amazon. The book retailed for $25 or so, of which Amazon took 55 percent. They ordered five books, sold some, and ordered one more, sold some more, ordered one more. Well, mailing out books one at a time and paying say $3.50 for postage and a padded bag just didn't make sense. Then they set up a $25/year fee, so I dropped out. Now I believe the fee is $99. If you can make the math work for you, the more power to you.

CreateSpace works out infinitely better for me, but that's a bit late in the day in your case.

(Don't trust KDP to publish a print edition. Don't trust CreateSpace to publish an ebook.)

Good luck! -- NJ

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cdalebrittain

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Re: Physical book SELLER ACCOUNT or AMAZON ADVANTAGE
Posted: Oct 6, 2017 6:53 PM   in response to: Laura McCorkind... in response to: Laura McCorkind...
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I answered on the other thread--don't know if you saw it.

I've got a parallel issue. I have a Big Ol' Pile O Books that I got (free) from the publisher when they retired (a small press, this was before KDP existed). I signed up for Advantage because I didn't want to have to guarantee shipping within 24 hours, which a Marketplace seller's account expects you to do. (Maybe your printer would be standing by, and you could email them if you were out of town?)

Although as NJ notes you have to sell your books to Amazon at a 55% discount, the $99 a year is a lot less than $30 or $40 a month for a seller account. My book has been selling maybe 2 copies a month. I figure if I move a little better than 1 copy a month I'll break even, after the discount and shipping. But I'd have to sell a lot more than that (like 2 a month every month) to break even as a Marketplace seller. I don't want to count on that level of sales. People also seem more willing to buy from Amazon directly (as they do if you're an Am Adv member) than from a third-party seller (as you'd be as a Marketplace seller).

So far Amazon hasn't asked for my $99. I'm not going to remind them (and hope they don't read these forums).

If you've gotten yourself onto iTunes all by yourself, then you don't really need Draft2Digital. Here I thought I was the only person on the forums to have completed the Epic Quest to sell on iTunes (considering Apple things are generally user friendly, it's distinctly user-hostile). You can get onto Kobo and Nook very easily (similar process to KDP), and then you don't have to pay an aggregator a fee. Just remember not to sign up for KDP Select.

Hope this helps!
Laura McCorkind...

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Posted: Oct 7, 2017 9:01 AM   in response to: Notjohn in response to: Notjohn
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So Amazon Advantage, orders from you at their discretion, and you physically send them books and they physically send them out for you, yes? What were your complaints about them exactly - that they didn't buy more books? Thank you in advance!
Laura McCorkind...

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Posted: Oct 7, 2017 9:04 AM   in response to: cdalebrittain in response to: cdalebrittain
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Why not sign up for KDP select?
So .. isn't a seller's account different though than the marketplace account?
Thank yoiu!
cdalebrittain

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Posted: Oct 8, 2017 10:27 AM   in response to: Laura McCorkind... in response to: Laura McCorkind...
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Your description of Amazon Advantage is correct, as far as my own experience goes.

You can't put your ebook in Select because you say it's already on iTunes and you're trying to get it on other platforms. Select requires that the book be available no where else for the 90-day Select period. Amazon puts you in the books that KU members can borrow (and you get paid), but in return they want exclusivity.

PS Once I decided to give Am Advantage a try, I gave up trying to sort out the difference (if any) between a Seller and a Marketplace account. These are at any rate irrelevant for ebooks.
Notjohn

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Posted: Oct 8, 2017 1:17 PM   in response to: cdalebrittain in response to: cdalebrittain
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$30 or $40 a month for a seller account

Wow!

to break even as a Marketplace seller

Well, it costs nothing to sell through Amazon Marketplace. The book listing has to exist, of course, which it did in the case of the hardcovers I was selling through Advantage. The difference is that as an Advantage supplier to Amazon, I became the provider of the actual new book, just as if I had published it. It sold at retail price, and I got 45 percent of that. As a Marketplace seller, I'm competing with all the secondhand and "new" (actually, remaindered) copies that can go all the way down to 1 cent asked. Amazon takes a cut and gives me the $3.99 standard shipping cost. I think the cut used to be 40 percent; now I believe it's 55 percent, so I don't do this nearly as much as I used to. When all is done, I make a bit more than $4 on a typical sale, which is hardly worth the bother.

I think the Vendor account is something else entirely, to justify that $30/$40 a month. We used to be able to set up an Amazon sales page simply by FTPing the cover image and other data to an address they made available. That's how so many older books (pre- Jeff Bezos books) have pages on Amazon -- they were set up by clever secondhand booksellers. Now Amazon has realized it can make money out of the process.

@OP: the problem with Advantage was simply shipping books one at a time, with the resulting cost and bother. It just wasn't worth it.

(Don't trust KDP to publish a print edition. Don't trust CreateSpace to publish an ebook.)

Good luck! -- NJ

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http://notjohnkdp.blogspot.com
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