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Jason

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Using a word.doc for paperback
Posted: Oct 28, 2017 11:48 AM
 
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I initially made my paperback by converting my word doc to a pdf and then uploading it. After making edits I uploaded it again but forgot to convert it to pdf first. So, I have uploaded a word.doc as a paperback. It looked alright in the preview. Should I be worried?

Thanks.
Notjohn

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Re: Using a word.doc for paperback
Posted: Oct 28, 2017 1:31 PM   in response to: Jason in response to: Jason
 
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I would be. The only way to be sure of your book, especially if you are one of the many (most?) publishers who don't have the option to order a physical proof copy, is to upload a perfect PDF. You can do this in Word, and indeed I rough out my books in Word, but I prefer to finish them up in OpenOffice Writer for the final layout -- pagination, hyphenation, all that good stuff that makes the difference between a Kinko production and something more or less indistinguishable from a Big Five publisher.

And to do that, I much prefer to use CreateSpace, not this glitchy KDP Print.

(Don't trust KDP to publish a print edition. Don't trust CreateSpace to publish an ebook.)

Good luck! -- NJ

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Donna St Felix

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Re: Using a word.doc for paperback
Posted: Oct 29, 2017 3:13 AM   in response to: Jason in response to: Jason
 
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Jason wrote:
I initially made my paperback by converting my word doc to a pdf and then uploading it. After making edits I uploaded it again but forgot to convert it to pdf first. So, I have uploaded a word.doc as a paperback. It looked alright in the preview. Should I be worried?

When it is live, I would definitely be uploading a PDF over what you just did. PDF only for paperbacks!
MR R J LAIDLER

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Re: Using a word.doc for paperback
Posted: Oct 29, 2017 7:53 AM   in response to: Jason in response to: Jason
 
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The only way to be sure is to order a copy, but as suggested, using a PDF is the safer way.
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Re: Using a word.doc for paperback
Posted: Oct 29, 2017 8:14 AM   in response to: Jason in response to: Jason
 
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Jason wrote:
I initially made my paperback by converting my word doc to a pdf and then uploading it. After making edits I uploaded it again but forgot to convert it to pdf first. So, I have uploaded a word.doc as a paperback. It looked alright in the preview. Should I be worried?

Thanks.


Order a proof copy.
I did the same thing and discovered that the word doc had done a fine job. The book was as perfect as one could expect. (I found another typo.) Not sure what difference making it a pdf would/could have made. A five year old lap top is passe', old technology. We change our phones more often than we change our cars. The programing we use to write is "up dated" at an unreal frequency. It is not so hard to suppose that what made a pdf necessary five or six years ago just isn't so anymore.

Some of us have our habits, the routine that we preform to make us feel comfortable we have given our book the best chance we can to succeed. Not sure all my rituals - or anyone else's - are all that necessary. Would be good to hear from a writer with current tech knowledge as opposed to long, but not necessarily up to date experience.

There are questions that have multiple right answers: Do you serve salad before, with, or after the entre'? Perhaps to pdf or not to pdf is one of them?
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Re: Using a word.doc for paperback
Posted: Nov 5, 2017 7:20 AM   in response to: Jason in response to: Jason
 
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If you want a professional looking paperback then this isn't the way to do it. It took me almost a month to get my paperback right, and just the page numbering and chapter starting page are enough to throw curveballs. Then you have the heading for author name and chapter as well on rotating pages to deal with. Use the free software as suggested and it will be 1000% better.
Notjohn

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Re: Using a word.doc for paperback
Posted: Nov 8, 2017 1:49 PM   in response to: beachgardener in response to: beachgardener
 
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Not sure what difference making it a pdf would/could have made.

It would have ensured a well-formatted book. I can guarantee that your Word doc has yielded bad pagination, objectionable hyphenation or none where it is needed, probably one or several too-short pages, and who knows what other typographical horrors. If you disagree, post the ISBN of your book, and I will be happy to critique the Look Inside sample.

(Don't trust KDP to publish a print edition. Don't trust CreateSpace to publish an ebook.)

Good luck! -- NJ

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beachgardener

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Re: Using a word.doc for paperback
Posted: Nov 8, 2017 2:48 PM   in response to: Notjohn in response to: Notjohn
 
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Notjohn wrote:
Not sure what difference making it a pdf would/could have made.

It would have ensured a well-formatted book. I can guarantee that your Word doc has yielded bad pagination, objectionable hyphenation or none where it is needed, probably one or several too-short pages, and who knows what other typographical horrors. If you disagree, post the ISBN of your book, and I will be happy to critique the Look Inside sample.

(Don't trust KDP to publish a print edition. Don't trust CreateSpace to publish an ebook.)

Good luck! -- NJ

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I do disagree. And, no, I feel no need to prove myself by exposing my identity. I use the proof site and repair any little problems, to date the results have proved most acceptable. Guarantee away John, you do have how to books to sell. Next time you publish give it a run with a clean, well edited and formatted Word doc - you may find the need for a rewrite and up date your help booklets for the benefit of all who follow you. Or perhaps we shall have to agree to disagree.
Good Luck to you too, B
Notjohn

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Re: Using a word.doc for paperback
Posted: Nov 8, 2017 4:39 PM   in response to: beachgardener in response to: beachgardener
 
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I feel no need to prove myself by exposing my identity

That's a fancy way of admitting you are afraid to subject your book to public view. Why then did you publish it at all?

I have no problem linking to mine -- just click on the BookLinker link below. You are welcome to examine the Look Inside of either the print or the digital edition, and see what a well-formatted book looks like.

(Don't trust KDP to publish a print edition. Don't trust CreateSpace to publish an ebook.)

Good luck! -- NJ

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Emily Veinglory

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Re: Using a word.doc for paperback
Posted: Nov 8, 2017 4:44 PM   in response to: beachgardener in response to: beachgardener
 
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My identity is here on a plate, and I used word documents not pdfs, with no issues. The book looked exactly like the word file,which is all one can really expect.

I also have no trouble understanding why some people don't use their pen names on these forums. We've had people post spite reviews based on some forum bollocks. I've had it too. I just don't care because publishing is not my primary income.
beachgardener

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Re: Using a word.doc for paperback
Posted: Nov 8, 2017 8:07 PM   in response to: Emily Veinglory in response to: Emily Veinglory
 
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Emily Veinglory wrote:
My identity is here on a plate, and I used word documents not pdfs, with no issues. The book looked exactly like the word file,which is all one can really expect.

I also have no trouble understanding why some people don't use their pen names on these forums. We've had people post spite reviews based on some forum bollocks. I've had it too. I just don't care because publishing is not my primary income.


Thank you Emily. You are quite right. I think anonymity is suggested for a good purpose. B
beachgardener

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Re: Using a word.doc for paperback
Posted: Nov 8, 2017 8:13 PM   in response to: Notjohn in response to: Notjohn
 
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Notjohn wrote:
I feel no need to prove myself by exposing my identity

That's a fancy way of admitting you are afraid to subject your book to public view. Why then did you publish it at all?

I have no problem linking to mine -- just click on the BookLinker link below. You are welcome to examine the Look Inside of either the print or the digital edition, and see what a well-formatted book looks like.

(Don't trust KDP to publish a print edition. Don't trust CreateSpace to publish an ebook.)

Good luck! -- NJ

Notjohn's Guide to E-Book & Print Formatting

The blog: http://notjohnkdp.blogspot.com


Notjohn I won't be bullied.
It is obvious you only reply to every post as an excuse to post your ads one more time. Well I have given you a freebe. B
Sarah E. Holroyd

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Re: Using a word.doc for paperback
Posted: Nov 9, 2017 3:54 AM   in response to: beachgardener in response to: beachgardener
 
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beachgardener wrote:
Not sure what difference making it a pdf would/could have made.
MS Word documents are not designed to render identically across all computer systems. If you create a Word document using a font that I don't have, my version of Word will replace the font with something similar that I do have. This can throw off your formatting due to differences in the type.

Portable Document Format (PDF), on the other hand, is designed to render exactly the same on any computer, provided the fonts used in the document are embedded in the PDF.

If you use common fonts in your document, you're not likely to have much trouble sending the .doc or .docx version to your printer. But it is possible for content to shift (sometimes radically) by sending anything other than a PDF. If .doc works for you, that's great. But it doesn't work for everyone.

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Emily Veinglory

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Re: Using a word.doc for paperback
Posted: Nov 9, 2017 7:02 AM   in response to: Sarah E. Holroyd in response to: Sarah E. Holroyd
 
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I think this is entirely manageable if you are using a basic template. I can see why the advice is given. But it would not be correct to say that a .docx will never appear exactly as you see it is not correct. if you have a recent version, use styles properly and have the right page size it will be fine. Unimaginative amateurs (like myself) using the Amazon template for the right trim size will be fine.
Patrick A. Smith

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Re: Using a word.doc for paperback
Posted: Nov 17, 2017 4:01 PM   in response to: beachgardener in response to: beachgardener
 
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beachgardener wrote:
Emily Veinglory wrote:
My identity is here on a plate, and I used word documents not pdfs, with no issues. The book looked exactly like the word file,which is all one can really expect.

I also have no trouble understanding why some people don't use their pen names on these forums. We've had people post spite reviews based on some forum bollocks. I've had it too. I just don't care because publishing is not my primary income.

Thank you Emily. You are quite right. I think anonymity is suggested for a good purpose. B


I totally agree, however I've started work on a book which i plan to publish under my own name, ( a first for me), and I intend to use createspace to create a print version. (Another first for me). I have never used anything except HTML documents, but it seems that most everybody is convinced that PDF is the best for print so I'll probably go with that. I'm now watching threads on printing.

I've always despised pdf manuals etc. Because I've never seen one with an active table of contents! I'm thinking maybe I can save a word doc as pdf, or do I save an html as a pdf ?

Edited by: Patrick A. Smith on Nov 17, 2017 4:02 PM
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