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openhearted

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does author rank matter, and are foreign sales counted?
Posted: Nov 9, 2017 6:13 AM
 
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hi

some markets, like DE, seem full of nasty vicious one star vagrant vandals, posting their ego filled, blowhard, fathead mean reviews--they have migrated to Italy and Spain, unfortunately

I suppose I should blame my translations, but as one nice Italian woman said, after she'd seen the English version, it's the book, not the translation, kind of like, don't shoot the messenger

jokes perhaps don't translate well, yet some of my favorite authors, like Voltaire, Ionesco, Jarry, Camus, I have only read in translation, and they are often really funny

so, I have deleted some books, despite sales, because of the one star graffiti, which I fear is bad publicity, and sometimes I think Sales Rank matters, but, I'm not sure if anything other than USA sales are counted

your thoughts?

oh
Emily Veinglory

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Posted: Nov 9, 2017 7:06 AM   in response to: openhearted in response to: openhearted
 
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Sales rank is an indirect indicator to you and other people how your book is selling. It is separate for each market. It matters only to the extent that it impacts how discoverable your book is in search etc.
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Posted: Nov 9, 2017 11:24 AM   in response to: openhearted in response to: openhearted
 
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You enjoy those books in translation because the translators are the best in the business, and they are paid fairly well by publishing standards. As Vladimir Nabokov once told his students, a translator must be excellent in the "into" language and very good in the "from" language. Notably, Nabokov never tried to translate his own Russian-language books -- he left that to his son.

A machine translation is never going to deserve anything more than a one-star review. A human translation by someone doing it for a share of the profits ("But Mr Fennyman, there never are any profits!" "Precisely.") might well deserve two or three stars. (And these are almost certainly not fatheads and blowheads; they are honest people giving honest opinions that happen to annoy you.)

A good translation will cost thousands of dollars. And how in the world can you judge whether the translation is good or not? It sounds as though yours weren't.

(Don't trust KDP to publish a print edition. Don't trust CreateSpace to publish an ebook.)

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openhearted

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Posted: Nov 10, 2017 5:11 AM   in response to: Notjohn in response to: Notjohn
 
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NJ

thanks for your note

where would I find one of these translators who would work for a share of the profits?

personally, I am interested in machine learning, and have no problem with machine translation--granted, there are many dialects

I had a guy do a translation for me, but it was not successful--this was a translation of one of my most popular books

these one star guys are hackers, I have found--and worse--hackers and stalkers

so, if anyone knows a translator as noted, let me know

oh
Salamander Mall...

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Posted: Nov 10, 2017 8:36 AM   in response to: openhearted in response to: openhearted
 
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openhearted wrote:
NJ

thanks for your note

where would I find one of these translators who would work for a share of the profits?

personally, I am interested in machine learning, and have no problem with machine translation--granted, there are many dialects

I had a guy do a translation for me, but it was not successful--this was a translation of one of my most popular books

these one star guys are hackers, I have found--and worse--hackers and stalkers

so, if anyone knows a translator as noted, let me know

oh


The reviewers are responding as many English-speakers have responded to barely literate machine translations from Indian writers. And, yes, some people do serially torment writers who offer substandard work, just as predators go after limping bunnies...it's human nature. Try BabelCube.
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Re: does author rank matter, and are foreign sales counted?
Posted: Nov 10, 2017 9:00 AM   in response to: openhearted in response to: openhearted
 
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No machine can translate the delicacies of a language. Take one obvious example. French, Italian and German (among many other languages) have different words for "you." Which one you use depends on the context, the relationships, status, age etc. Here in Germany, I know 2 old ladies who have known each other for many years and, despite being very close, they still use the polite "Sie" form of the English "you." English has other ways of doing this. For example (at the dinner table):
Salt!
Give me the salt.
Pass me the salt please.
Would you mind passing the salt please?
I hope you don't mind me asking, but I was wondering if it might be at all possible for you to pass me the salt please.

We (in both the US and UK) can often use an inappropriate form in order to express displeasure, sarcasm and so on.

My point is: how can a machine translator take these nuances into account? It can't, can it?
Joseph M Erhardt

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Re: does author rank matter, and are foreign sales counted?
Posted: Nov 10, 2017 12:22 PM   in response to: wellhouse in response to: wellhouse
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You forgot, "Gimme the damned salt!" :)

Semi-apropos:
http://www.grimmy.com/images/MGG_Archive/MGG_2017/MGG-2017-11-09.gif

Edited by: Joseph M Erhardt on Nov 10, 2017 12:26 PM
Salamander Mall...

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Posted: Nov 10, 2017 12:43 PM   in response to: Joseph M Erhardt in response to: Joseph M Erhardt
 
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Joseph M Erhardt wrote:
You forgot, "Gimme the damned salt!" :)

Semi-apropos:
http://www.grimmy.com/images/MGG_Archive/MGG_2017/MGG-2017-11-09.gif

Edited by: Joseph M Erhardt on Nov 10, 2017 12:26 PM


And from Casablanca:

Mr. Leuchtag: Mareichtag and I are speaking nothing but English now.
Mrs. Leuchtag: So we should feel at home when we get to America.
Carl: Very nice idea, mm-hmm.
Mr. Leuchtag: (toasting) To America!
Mrs. Leuchtag: To America!
Carl: To America!
Mr. Leuchtag: Liebchen - sweetness heart, what watch?
Mrs. Leuchtag: Ten watch.
Mr. Leuchtag: Such much?
Carl: Hm. You will get along beautiful in America, mm-hmm
openhearted

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Posted: Nov 13, 2017 7:57 AM   in response to: Joseph M Erhardt in response to: Joseph M Erhardt
 
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Sir,

you have grasped the humor in it

voila!

I do find many translations both intentionally and unintentionally hilarious

in our wild crazy modern world, I am okay with machine learning, and am accustomed to machine translation, without which I am sometimes unable to understand the terrible reviews I have received

come si, come sa

c'est la vie, monsewer

oh
openhearted

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Posted: Nov 13, 2017 8:01 AM   in response to: Emily Veinglory in response to: Emily Veinglory
 
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hi Emily

I asked about author rank, any opinion on that?

I am aware that many of my books in translation have very good ranks, but it does not seem to register on "author rank"

but on the other hand, I have five fingers--no, I kid,

on the other hand it is all perhaps egotistical narcissism

thanks for your note

oh
Emily Veinglory

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Posted: Nov 13, 2017 12:38 PM   in response to: openhearted in response to: openhearted
 
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Author ranks has zero known tangible benefits as far as I know--it's just for your ego. I imagine Amazon might use it internally somehow, but not in any way that matters to most of us.
Donald Desaulni...

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Posted: Nov 13, 2017 1:27 PM   in response to: openhearted in response to: openhearted
 
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I don't think that the public has access to our individual author's ranking, in which case such ranking has no effect whatsoever on sales. The author's ranking is solely for our own benefit in gauging how we're doing against competing authors on Amazon. The sales rank of an individual book might have a small bearing on sales since some prospective purchasers might glance at that ranking before deciding whether to purchase the book. In my opinion one-star reviews and ratings definitely hurt sales.

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