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mphillips762000

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Setting up navigation
Posted: Feb 4, 2010 1:09 PM
 
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My company publishes a newsletter, and I have figured out how to create a Kindle file with a table of contents that lists the headlines for each of the articles. My question is: when viewing The Wall St. Journal, I can use the joystick to jump to the next story by pushing it to the right, how can I set up my file to do this? Also in the table of contents it highlights the headlines and jumps between them when navigating up or down with the joystick as well, how does it do that? I have to click on the headlines and then use the back button to get back to the TOC to switch to the next story in the file that I create. Any wisdom is appreciated.
I will attach a sample file here. Thanks!
cub06h

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Re: Setting up navigation
Posted: Feb 4, 2010 2:48 PM   in response to: mphillips762000 in response to: mphillips762000
 
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Understand that the Wall Street Journal is not using the DTP to publish its daily papers.
oconnel4

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Re: Setting up navigation
Posted: Feb 4, 2010 11:37 PM   in response to: mphillips762000 in response to: mphillips762000
 
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I'd also be interested in answers to this question. Joshua Tallent's book, "Kindle Formatting" describes the coding necessary, and I have his book. However, his description isn't step by step enough for me to follow, and I have a Kindle 1, not a K2 or DX and can't experiment until I figure out what works. I've about given up and decided my Kindle book will have to be without navigation points.
jstallent

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Re: Setting up navigation
Posted: Feb 6, 2010 6:16 PM   in response to: oconnel4 in response to: oconnel4
 
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I'm sorry my description was not specific enough. It is a little difficult to write about the NCX file functionality without just relying on readers to do some testing. I do give an example of the NCX layout in chapter 7 and I have a sample available on my Kindle Formatting website in the Files section.

http://kindleformatting.com/book/files.php

If you set up your NCX file as I describe in the book, then it should work fine.

However, despite my frequent testing, I have never been able to get the exact same functionality as you see in newspapers on the Kindle. Amazon is doing something special with their formatting to make that happen, and it is not documented anywhere. Like the Topaz format, that appears to be a private, Amazon-only function.

Joshua Tallent
http://ebookarchitects.com
http://kindleformatting.com
oconnel4

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Re: Setting up navigation
Posted: Feb 6, 2010 11:34 PM   in response to: jstallent in response to: jstallent
 
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Joshua - Thanks for your reply. I think all of us underestimate how much trouble people with no familiarity with a particular process have in getting it done the first time. Just as a for instance, I was to the head banging point over trying to get my TOC and Start point as I wanted them using the Guides section of Mobi Creator. Finally, pretty much by accident I stumbled on the fact that for your instruction to work, I had to Browse to the html file of my book that was in the folder that the Mobi creation process created rather than the one I originally imported and then put the #TOC or #start on the end of that.

However, in that case I was able to see my results (or lack of them) on my Kindle 1 (and Kindle for PC which I've loaded on my computer). Since I have no Kindle 2 and can't test the whole navigation point process, making sure both that my coding works and that I haven't done anything that ruins something else, I've decided my book will have to do without.

Thanks for your book and the help it provides in all the ways that I CAN see on my K1.
cjeasyaspie

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Re: Setting up navigation
Posted: Feb 7, 2010 8:46 AM   in response to: oconnel4 in response to: oconnel4
 
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And thank YOU for posting THAT, occnnel4!

I'm having the exact same problem with TOC and Start.

In fact, I went to Joshua's website to download the tools he mentioned in his book, in hopes of finding the answer, but couldn't find them.

Actually, I did see them the first time I looked, but when I went back to take another look, I couldn't find then again.

I emailed Joshua about that, but haven't yet had an answer

When I get around to writing "CJ's Easy as Pie", the purchase of Joshua's book is going to be high on the list, as a way to avoid wasting those zillions of dollars worth of time, trying to figure out these things we think we should already be able to do ourselves.

CJ

PS btw... I'll check your book on my K2, if you will check mine on your K1... what you think?
oconnel4

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Re: Setting up navigation
Posted: Feb 9, 2010 2:07 PM   in response to: cjeasyaspie in response to: cjeasyaspie
 
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I'd be happy to look at your book on my K1 if you can figure a way to get it to me.

I've just uploaded my book and it's available now. It's a mystery and is called "Rottweiler Rescue," so you could just download the Sample. The cover is not showing the way I want it to on Amazon and so I'll be fussing uploading another version in the next day or two. I just downloaded my own Sample and it looks as I expected on my K1, although it opened to the cover, not the Start point I put in. But when I'm deeper in the Sample and do a Go to Beginning, it takes me to where I put the Start point. Since I put the TOC at the end so the Sample would be longer, I couldn't check that.

The thing I'd like to know from a K2 user is about justification. I didn't put any justification coding in at all because I want K1 users to be able to have a ragged right margin if they want (I prefer that myself). So on a K1 you can choose to right justify or not. My hope is that on a K2 the book is right justified. I thought that was the default and all books were right just on the K2, but I recently saw a snotty comment on some list about a book not being right justified and how that proved the book was not professionally done.
cjeasyaspie

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Re: Setting up navigation
Posted: Feb 9, 2010 5:57 PM   in response to: oconnel4 in response to: oconnel4
 
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Ok, I'll go get the sample.

Joshua says that the Kindle 1 has the ability to turn off justification with ALT-J at the "set fonts" screen, but the Kindle 2 has a default of justified and no way to turn it off... (the user can't turn it off, but the publisher can do it with the codes he provided in his book.)

If I understand what I'm reading correctly, all that is necessary for you to send your book to my Kindle is for me to put your email address in my "Manage My Kindle.

But we'd better take that private, as it is off topic in this thread

You can look at my Profile to find my email address (I think!)

If you'll send me an email, I'll respond with answers to your questions about how the sample looks on my Kindle 2.

CJ

CJ

cjeasyaspie

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Re: Setting up navigation
Posted: Feb 9, 2010 6:36 PM   in response to: oconnel4 in response to: oconnel4
 
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I'd be happy to look at your book on my K1 if you can
figure a way to get it to me.

I've just uploaded my book and it's available now.
It's a mystery and is called "Rottweiler Rescue," so
you could just download the Sample. The cover is not
showing the way I want it to on Amazon and so I'll
be fussing uploading another version in the next day
or two. I just downloaded my own Sample and it
looks as I expected on my K1, although it opened to
the cover, not the Start point I put in. But when
I'm deeper in the Sample and do a Go to Beginning,
it takes me to where I put the Start point. Since
I put the TOC at the end so the Sample would be
longer, I couldn't check that.

The thing I'd like to know from a K2 user is about
justification. I didn't put any justification coding
in at all because I want K1 users to be able to have
a ragged right margin if they want (I prefer that
myself). So on a K1 you can choose to right justify
or not. My hope is that on a K2 the book is right
justified. I thought that was the default and all
books were right just on the K2, but I recently saw a
snotty comment on some list about a book not being
right justified and how that proved the book was not
professionally done.


I wanted to get right back to you before you make any changes... that will put your book on hold for several days, won't it?

It is "fully justified"... that's what you meant, wasn't it? But it looks just fine.

I agree with you, I prefer left justified with ragged right, but maybe to suit the "fully justified" snobs, this should be left as it is.

Even with large type enabled, it's still not bad.

And... no book I have on my Kindle opens to the cover... they always open to one of the first pages, then you can go to the Cover with the Menu. As far as I can tell from the sample, yours works exactly as they do.

The cover looks great to me... but then, I don't know what you were expecting.

CJ
john-and-urmila

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Re: Setting up navigation
Posted: Feb 10, 2010 5:34 AM   in response to: cjeasyaspie in response to: cjeasyaspie
 
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CJ,

You can actually open your Kindle book to the cover if you enclose the cover tags with
a name="start"/

cover image tags

/a

(simply enclose the html tags with the appropriate brackets).

Good luck!
John
http://www.signalmanpublishing.com
elvan777

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Re: Setting up navigation
Posted: Nov 6, 2010 12:17 PM   in response to: john-and-urmila in response to: john-and-urmila
 
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John & Urmilla or any one else willing to help
You appear to be pros. Perhaps you can help me a little. I have a gardening book on Amazon and am endeavoring to publish for Kindle. I originally formatted on Publisher 2007. Its in a pub. file and a PDF file now. I must convert to HTML for Kindle, and was told by Microsoft that was do-able using Pub 2007. The Microsoft help worker told me that if I was able to do so I would be the first that he had heard of to try it. I am dubious about that , and am not jazzed about being a Guinea pig for the Microsoft corporation. Oh well!
I am not a Kindle user
I was also advised to create a navigation system. Here goes the ignorant question: Must a book formatted for Kindle have its own navigation system? If so, I am assuming it is necessary for navigating through chapters?
rtayek

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Re: Setting up navigation
Posted: Nov 6, 2010 1:14 PM   in response to: elvan777 in response to: elvan777
 
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... I have a gardening book on Amazon and am
endeavoring to publish for Kindle. I originally
formatted on Publisher 2007. Its in a pub. file and a
PDF file now. I must convert to HTML for Kindle,...
...: Must a book
formatted for Kindle have its own navigation system?
If so, I am assuming it is necessary for navigating
through chapters?

it's pretty important for the kindle because of the 5-way button.

if you get your stuff into html, try using sigil and mobicreator. sigil will get you an ncx file and mobicreator will build a toc from html tags.

thanks
notjohn

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Re: Setting up navigation
Posted: Nov 6, 2010 3:52 PM   in response to: elvan777 in response to: elvan777
 
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[i]Must a book formatted for Kindle have its own navigation system? If so, I am assuming it is necessary for navigating through chapters?[/i]

There are three possible systems. First, you can have a conventional Table of Contents with hotlinks to the several chapters (the system I use). Second, you can and should have anchors that respond to the Go To elements in the Kindle Menu (cover, table of contents, start) so the reader can access those features, especially TOC and Start. Third, you can have an NCX navigation system such as Sigil and Mobipocket Creator build (I have done this when converting books to epub format but have not tried it on Kindle even though it is supposedly required).

The TOC leads you to chapters, but first you have to go to the TOC. The NCX enables you to jump to the next or previous chapter from the one you're in--very handy, I should think, though I'm not sure how many Kindle owners know about this feature.
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