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Re: Worried about the cost of contraceptives?
Posted: Mar 5, 2012 9:03 AM   in response to: thetimucuan in response to: thetimucuan
 
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I really do not want to get into a political discussion, but that is true about a gallon of gas. We had a service station here post something similar, only they broke it down to who got what and I think the government got 52 cents per gallon whereas the gas station got 4. Prices are too high yes, but I blame the government for being greedy. They have an insatiable appetite when it comes to money.
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Re: Worried about the cost of contraceptives?
Posted: Mar 5, 2012 12:14 PM   in response to: asanand13 in response to: asanand13
 
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Weird, how can one not like someone whom they have never sat next to and had a conversation. Sarge and I are at opposite sides of the political realm but he would probably be neat to share a beer and a one-sided conversation with.
chapterwon

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Re: Worried about the cost of contraceptives?
Posted: Mar 5, 2012 12:17 PM   in response to: 76year2 in response to: 76year2
 
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Somebody convinced you that Obama "put in" free trade between the U.S. and China?

All I can say is that Republicans always teach their constituents precisely the opposite of the truth. They know you will believe anything, no matter how ridiculous it is.

Just take a look at this thread. All of the Republicans have been proven wrong about factual matters at every turn, yet they come right back and spew more nonsense. Republicans have taught you guys to have no respect for truth. The moment you start thinking for yourself is the moment you are no longer a Republican.

P.S. The contraception debate has nothing to do with taxes. That's just one of the ridiculous lies Republicans have trained you to regurgitate. Thanks for proving my point though.
asanand13

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Re: Worried about the cost of contraceptives?
Posted: Mar 5, 2012 12:18 PM   in response to: inyun in response to: inyun
 
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I'm sorry to be rude, but where does it say in any of my previous messages that I don't like Sarge? I make it quite clear I think he's talented and at no point have directed any of my attention directly towards him.

I have simply said that I do not think such threads are conducive to us having a healthy authors community, because there is so much bile coming from all sides.
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Re: Worried about the cost of contraceptives?
Posted: Mar 5, 2012 12:24 PM   in response to: chapterwon in response to: chapterwon
 
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Only in your own mind, do you have any connection to reality. For the record, I am not a Repub. They are waaay too liberal and too close to the Demonrats. I follow the Constitution and what our Founding Fathers wrote to explain the Constitution, and all evidence is that ALL leech programs are unconstitutional, just like the Demonrats' black slavery. The Supreme Court ruled against the New Steal ten times. Adults are supposed to pay their own bills, not commit armed robbery by proxy through the vote. No Repub is trying to prevent anyone from using contraceptives. They just do not want to pay for them for every thirty-year-old child like the one who is supposed to be going to law school.
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Re: Worried about the cost of contraceptives?
Posted: Mar 5, 2012 12:30 PM   in response to: thetimucuan in response to: thetimucuan
 
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You are an angry, uneducated person who spews Republican nonsense while denying being a Republican. There is nothing interesting about this.
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Re: Worried about the cost of contraceptives?
Posted: Mar 5, 2012 12:42 PM   in response to: chapterwon in response to: chapterwon
 
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Actually I am laughing at your nonsense. Angry? No, just amused at the nut.
chapterwon

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Posted: Mar 5, 2012 12:57 PM   in response to: thetimucuan in response to: thetimucuan
 
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You're angry at everybody. Heck, right now you're angry at women. You think health insurance policies should not cover contraception, even though most do already.

Imagine if you were still able to think for yourself. There's no way in hell you would be against health insurance policies covering contraception for women. It would never occur to you to take such a ridiculous position.

The only reason you have a problem with insurance companies having to provide contraception for women is because Republicans have told you to have a problem with insurance companies having to provide contraception for women. You've been doing this so long that you don't even know when it's happening.
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Posted: Mar 5, 2012 1:33 PM   in response to: chapterwon in response to: chapterwon
 
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I am so crazy that I do not think insurance or leech programs should pay for ED remedies either! In fact, I’m so crazy that I believe a totally free market is why the US jumped ahead of countries that had been around hundreds of years before the US. If the healthcare industry had not been completely insulated from the free market because of the deep pockets of health insurance companies and the government through leech programs, healthcare costs would not have skyrocketed as they have in our lifetime. Imagine if GM tried to charge $5 million for a car. That would only work if the government bought cars for people. If people had to pay CASH out of THEIR pocket for healthcare, the cost would be a small fraction of what it is today. Doctors and hospitals could only charge what people could pay. The free market would have prevented runaway healthcare inflation. But hey, that’s crazy! We can’t actually expect people to grow up and pay for their own healthcare! What next? Will people have to save for old age and retire on their own money? Oh my Gaaaaawd!!!!!

Those who vote to have their neighbors robbed at the point of a government agent's gun are the angry haters, not the adults who pay their own way in life.
chapterwon

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Re: Worried about the cost of contraceptives?
Posted: Mar 5, 2012 2:39 PM   in response to: thetimucuan in response to: thetimucuan
 
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Once again you have proven that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. The issue at hand is PRIVATE health insurance. People DO pay for their on health care.

Please try to remember that Republicans always teach their constituents to believe precisely the opposite of the truth. That's why you believe precisely the opposite of the truth.
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Posted: Mar 5, 2012 2:40 PM   in response to: thetimucuan in response to: thetimucuan
 
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All belief is vanity.
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Re: Worried about the cost of contraceptives?
Posted: Mar 5, 2012 2:43 PM   in response to: thetimucuan in response to: thetimucuan
 
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As usual, you make a lot of good points. Respective to the health insurance companies you reminded me of some reasons we don't need Obamacare. On the one hand there are positive measures to reform the health care industry but lately we have become so polarized that the Public Mandate has taken center stage. Let's revisit a couple of good ideas to improve health care cost cutting across the board.

Health insurance policies should be opened across state lines, just as they are for vehicle insurance. There should be a cap on malpractice suits because doctors simply pass on the cost of their premiums in higher and higher fees to the patients. Health care insurance should not be mandatory. When I was in my twenties and starting out, I really couldn't afford health insurance so I didn't carry any.

I also didn't need any insurance because my health was (and thankfully still is) excellent. There are millions of young people who are the same way. Forcing them to pay for a Public Mandate is anathema to reason and certainly to the U.S. Constitution. Supposedly our "Campaigner In Chief" has earned a constitutional degree from Harvard. That's what we're told but we aren't allowed to view his records. "If" he does have such a degree I pose a very serious question.

Did he study the document he so obviously despises so that he could one day destroy it? How is it possible to simply dismiss his abject failures across the board as gross incompetence rather than by careful Marxist/Socialist designs? His base supporters are quick to point out that vehicle insurance is mandatory in most states, as if that justifies the imposition of Obamacare and a vicious host of regulations passed by presidential fiat (by-passing both Houses of Congress).

Vehicle insurance comparison would almost be funny if it weren't so pathetic. If you don't drive or own a vehicle, you don't have to have that insurance. Presidential fiats can be erased when a new president is elected, granted that we can last long enough to start rebuilding this nation. Certainly we can't stand four more years of this current debacle and please Libs don't blame Bush.

Your New Messiah owns this economy. Look around. Talk to people. Where are the jobs? How high can the price of gas go before he brings down the entire country? We have more oil, natural gas, and oil shale in this country to be completely energy independent. You would see OPEC prices drop to 1960's levels. From around $100.00 dollars a barrel today to $6.00 tomorrow, especially when we start to use food as barter for Mid-east oil. He refused to permit the new pipe line from Canada, has curtailed drilling permits to the nub and then tries to take credit for new drilling on private land, as if his policies helped. What a sad joke and all the more so becuse the "joke" is on us!
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Re: Worried about the cost of contraceptives?
Posted: Mar 5, 2012 3:02 PM   in response to: sargeking in response to: sargeking
 
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I'll weigh in a say this ... in a civilised world surely we should have evolved to a point when all eduction and health is free. Free health care seems like such an odd thing to an American. But if you take a step back free as free - you can't argue with. You have a problem, you go to the doctor or the hospital, they sort it out, you don't pay a dime. You go on your merry way. Seems like a pretty nice system. No employer playing your insurance company, as in taking money from you to pay anyone else. No suits because they're fixing you up for free! No companies turning around and saying well you're over 65 and have this type of cancer so we're not covering you. No rip off prescriptions because the new drug you need is still under copyright from the drug companies. Not even thinking about it and discussing it because it's just there and it works.

A free health system that works.

Sounds utopian doesn't it?

Ladies and gentlemen of America ... I give to you the Nation Health System of Great Britain. Of course it's a political football. BUT

It works.

To the point where my Spanish Girlfriend had an operation and than came over to London and she had an infection - she wasn't English - they still patched her up for free, gave her a prescription for drug at cheap prices.

Land of the free, home of the "brave" more like!

For such a rich country you should have sorted this out years ago.

It's not socialism to have no health insurance in a country ... it's called civilisation.
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Re: Worried about the cost of contraceptives?
Posted: Mar 5, 2012 3:08 PM   in response to: sargeking in response to: sargeking
 
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It all boils down to a pretty simple concept:. Governments have powers and people have rights, thus every new power usurped by government represents the loss of a peoples right.

All political questions fit within that framework. Some people are collectivists who want government to provide for them without regard for personal liberty. Others are individualists, who want government to get out of the way so they can provide for their own needs.

It's "Give me free stuff" vs "Keep your hands off my stuff". I'm with the "Keep your hands off my stuff" crowd. If you want more "stuff" then work harder and smarter because borrowing money from China will eventually assure that none of us have any "stuff".
chapterwon

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Re: Worried about the cost of contraceptives?
Posted: Mar 5, 2012 3:09 PM   in response to: sargeking in response to: sargeking
 
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Wow, you're one of those Birther nuts, aren't you? No wonder you have no concept of reality, let alone truth.
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