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cdhussey

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The power of a top 100
Posted: Mar 7, 2012 6:06 AM
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So, I've had a roller coaster of a sales record. Last summer (Aug or Sept) the first book in my series broke the top 100 in Vampire Romance. It climbed as high as #11 in that genre. When I released the second book, sales were staggering. Book 2 should have made it into the top 100 in the same genre (based on overall ranking), but I could never get Amazon to actually put it in that genre.

Anyway, over the last several months, the rank of book one slowly slipped (no bad reviews to speak of) until finally, it fell out of the top 100. And wow, did sales tank the moment that happened. Unless my new release at the end of the month pumps things back up, I can see how I will quickly drop rank as I lose visibility.

I'm not really complaining since I had a great couple months, but it really helped me see how arbitrary success can be and how keeping your book/name visible is quite possibly the most important thing you can do.
martitalbott

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Re: The power of a top 100
Posted: Mar 7, 2012 6:54 AM   in response to: cdhussey in response to: cdhussey
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If you haven't already, put an ad at the end of each book, promoting the others. Sometimes readers don't go look for the next one.

I wonder if you just ran out of readers interested in vampires. I think the popularity of those books might be slipping as a whole. At any rate, what you describe is pretty normal. It's all about word of mouth and when that fizzles out, it's like starting over.
thorkill71

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Re: The power of a top 100
Posted: Mar 7, 2012 7:28 AM   in response to: cdhussey in response to: cdhussey
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Im curious about your initial marketing that get you into the top 100.

I've just released my first non-fiction eBook through KDP and it's a great guide for people looking to raise money through Kickstarter.com (not any easy feat).

I went through the process myself, was initially denied, but faught back...got accepted and more importantly used every marketing trick in the book to reach my funding goal.

To me, this is a guide that anyone looking to raise money should have at their disposal.

It went live yesterday and I got 3 purchases. These purchases probably arose from my Facebook pimping. lol.

What are some BIG things I can do to market this book. I've never had to market books before, but here I am....confused.

Thanks for any help,

Gary
blackoaktomes

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Re: The power of a top 100
Posted: Mar 7, 2012 7:38 AM   in response to: thorkill71 in response to: thorkill71
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Yes, how on earth do you get into the top 100? I think I've been in the top 1500 once if I remember correctly, though it's usually more between 15,000 - 40, 000
tracihilton

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Re: The power of a top 100
Posted: Mar 7, 2012 7:40 AM   in response to: cdhussey in response to: cdhussey
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CD--spot on!

I didn't realize the importance of it at the time, but as long as Foreclosed was in the top 100 of Women Sleuths (a massive genre, I only hit 78 when I was doing like 50 books a day!) sales kept pretty steady...

Once it dipped low enough to drop off that list sales tanked within a month...and frankly, nothing I've done since then has really pushed them back up!

The freebies I've done have given me temporary boosts--a couple of weeks of more exciting sales--but nothing as big as before, and nothing as lasting.

Traci
cdhussey

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Re: The power of a top 100
Posted: Mar 7, 2012 8:04 AM   in response to: blackoaktomes in response to: blackoaktomes
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It was top 100 in Vampire Romance, not overall ranking. I think at #10, the overall ranking was about 700. I didn't do any marketing. It was all Amazon. Once the book picked up, it snowballed. I have no idea why.

@martialbot (sp?), I do agree vampire romance is slipping as a genre. It's also supersaturated. I do list the other books at the back of each one. The second book does well, but it's sales are directly proportionate to the sales of the first. I think that shows people read the first, like it, and then go to read the second, right that second. If you wait a few months, they forget. You have to stay at the forefront of the reader's minds. I'm very interested (and nervous) to see what happens when I release the third book.
cdhussey

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Re: The power of a top 100
Posted: Mar 7, 2012 8:06 AM   in response to: tracihilton in response to: tracihilton
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Traci, that's exactly what I'm seeing. It makes me want to release the third book today, before it slips any further.
sherlock747

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Re: The power of a top 100
Posted: Mar 7, 2012 6:38 PM   in response to: cdhussey in response to: cdhussey
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Where do you even find the category "Vampire Romance" to include your book in in the first place when you publish? I've never seen it in the publishing process.

About mid last year I had a book that was number 1 in two top 100 categories. Amazon booted it from one of the categories and sales immediately plummeted. I have no idea why that one book did so well. I didn't do any real promotion with it. In fact, with books I wrote after that I tried to emulate the successful one with similar covers and titles etc, with no success.

For my book it was just complete luck.
cdhussey

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Posted: Mar 7, 2012 7:41 PM   in response to: sherlock747 in response to: sherlock747
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You don't. That's part of the problem. I've been told there's a way to get your book added to specific categories, but it never worked for the second book.

The first book got mysteriously added to the sub-category and I think it might have been the tags.
ksdwrite

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Re: The power of a top 100
Posted: Mar 9, 2012 9:13 AM   in response to: cdhussey in response to: cdhussey
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Talk about chickens and eggs! How do you sell books? Get them in the top 100. How do you get books in the top 100? Sell lots of copies. Excuse me while I go and have a quiet cry in a corner.

Karla

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tracihilton

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Re: The power of a top 100
Posted: Mar 9, 2012 9:22 AM   in response to: cdhussey in response to: cdhussey
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Here's how you get your book into the random unlisted genres:

Find the genre you want listed on someone else's book and copy it.

Contact support and ask them, "How do I get my book listed in this genre?"

Then paste that genre list into your message.
for example:

Kindle Store > Kindle eBooks > Children's eBooks > People & Places > Girls & Women

Amazon will respond with directions. : )

My three books are all listed in two unclassified spots.

: )

Traci
cdhussey

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Re: The power of a top 100
Posted: Mar 9, 2012 10:04 AM   in response to: tracihilton in response to: tracihilton
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You know I tried that, but book two never showed up. Now I know it has to actually be in the top 100 to show on that genre list, but there was a time it had a good enough overall ranking to be there but wasn't. I need to get these bad boys listed properly before the 3rd goes out at the end of the month.
blackoaktomes

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Re: The power of a top 100
Posted: Mar 9, 2012 10:48 AM   in response to: cdhussey in response to: cdhussey
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Traci, I contacted them twice and no reply. What email address or online support ticket did you use?
tracihilton

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Re: The power of a top 100
Posted: Mar 9, 2012 11:35 AM   in response to: blackoaktomes in response to: blackoaktomes
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I just emailed them through the contact form on here. I only did it this summer, but I suppose they might not be doing it any longer...

I gave it a think as well and remembered that each book is in at least one of those genres.

Traci
blackoaktomes

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Re: The power of a top 100
Posted: Mar 9, 2012 12:16 PM   in response to: tracihilton in response to: tracihilton
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I was just flicking through the categories and found my book at #1 in the:

‹ Kindle Store
‹ Kindle eBooks
Children's eBooks

and the

‹ Kindle Store
‹ Kindle eBooks
‹ Children's eBooks
Science Fiction, Fantasy & Horror

and the

‹ Kindle Store
‹ Kindle eBooks
‹ Children's eBooks
‹ Science Fiction, Fantasy & Horror
Science Fiction, Fantasy, & Magic

category on the .com site.

Yet my product page reports nothing other than being around 7000 overall in paid and I have few sales. I don't get it....

Can someone check that "The Serpent in the Glass" is actually there???

So, traci, you must find the category in someone's existing category tree rather than ask for it to be created?

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