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Scott Reid

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KDP & IngramSpark - 3 trim sizes (2 IS and 1 KDP) & eBooks
Posted: Dec 14, 2017 4:02 PM
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I've read what I can find on using KDP and IngramSpark for publishing and still have a scenario I am thinking of to see if it will work for me.

I have a new book coming out (my second) and want to add print editions through IngramSpark this time to get the broader distribution.

But, I like my eBook on Amazon.com for Kindle Unlimited. I also like using KDP for the Amazon print version.

So, I was thinking (there would be 4 ISBNs total):

    • eBook on Amazon enrolled in KDP
    • 1 trim size for KDP different than the IngramSpark sizes.
    • 2 trim sizes for IngramSpark (most preferred sizes for paperback and hardcover or 2 paperback sizes).

That would put 4 versions on Amazon if my IngramSpark editions are sold on the platform.

1.) Would I have an issue with the eBook enrolling in KDP when I am selling print versions on IngramSpark?

2.) Would Amazon have a problem with 3 trim sizes sold on their platform (2 of which are sold by IngramSpark)

3.) Would IngramSpark have a problem with not having the eBook version sold only by Amazon and not them?

4.) Would IngramSpark have a problem with a trim size different from the ones they are selling being available on Amazon?
Notjohn

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Re: KDP & IngramSpark - 3 trim sizes (2 IS and 1 KDP) & eBooks
Posted: Dec 14, 2017 6:07 PM   in response to: Scott Reid in response to: Scott Reid
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Three paperback versions of the same book? Why? So they can compete with each other?

Just publish your book through IngramSpark. It will be sold on the Amazon stores.

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cdalebrittain

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Re: KDP & IngramSpark - 3 trim sizes (2 IS and 1 KDP) & eBooks
Posted: Dec 14, 2017 6:41 PM   in response to: Scott Reid in response to: Scott Reid
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KDP Select has no problem with you having print editions. Ingram Spark would be fine.

But with NJ, I'm puzzled why you'd want three different sizes. Seems odd.
Scott Reid

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Re: KDP & IngramSpark - 3 trim sizes (2 IS and 1 KDP) & eBooks
Posted: Dec 14, 2017 10:12 PM   in response to: cdalebrittain in response to: cdalebrittain
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For the two sizes for IngramSpark it would be two sizes for the most in-demand trim sizes (paperbacks and hardback versions for retailer's preferred trim sizes).

For the third size on Amazon.com, it would be so the 3rd print version would have a different trim size and it will have its own ISBN so it is not mixed up with the IngramSpark ISBNs if those books are being sold on Amazon. -- I'm not sure I want to put limits on IngramSpark on where they can sell the print books, so am assuming they will be on Amazon too.

The reason for the whole question is threads here on publishing via CreateSpace and IngramSpark both brought up having two publishers selling the same book - If I use a different trim size there will be no potential issue. I do not want to do CreateSpace as it was easy to do Amazon's print on demand myself and since I'm going to go through the effort of doing IngramSpark I do not want to make two headaches for myself.

I may be overthinking things, but hey - I want to do this publication right where I did my first book the easy way only publishing on Amazon. -- (My first book is Nova Academy and has sold 1,000+ eBook & print and 1,000,000+ pages on KENP since its April 2017 publication --- so it has had modest success. I want to step it up for my second book, which is not a sequel to the first book.)
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Re: KDP & IngramSpark - 3 trim sizes (2 IS and 1 KDP) & eBooks
Posted: Dec 15, 2017 6:40 AM   in response to: Scott Reid in response to: Scott Reid
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Reposting because I got modded for using a forbidden word.

Having both a hardcover and a paperback version of your print book (through IS) would be fine. But there's no point in also having a KDP-print version. It would be confusing to potential buyers to have all these different versions. Since the IS versions will be available on Amazon, why not just go with that?

Or why not do the hardcover through IS and a paperback through KDP-print? (CreateSpace really would be better, but you seem dete*rmined not to use it.) Two print versions, one paperback and one hardcover, really is all you need.
Sarah E. Holroyd

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Re: KDP & IngramSpark - 3 trim sizes (2 IS and 1 KDP) & eBooks
Posted: Dec 16, 2017 9:09 AM   in response to: Scott Reid in response to: Scott Reid
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Another issue that no one else has mentioned: if (when) all your editions are linked on Amazon, you'd see the availability of a Kindle edition, a paperback edition, and a hardcover edition (if you chose to do one). That's it. Amazon does not separately indicate different sizes of paperbacks; they all get lumped under the paperback edition of that title. So you'd essentially have one visible and the others hidden unless the buyer knew where to dig to find them. There's absolutely no point.

(I know this because I have a B&W and color edition of the same title. I initially asked Amazon to link them, and the color edition promptly disappeared in the B&W listing. So I asked Amazon to unlink them.)

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Re: KDP & IngramSpark - 3 trim sizes (2 IS and 1 KDP) & eBooks
Posted: Dec 16, 2017 9:11 AM   in response to: Scott Reid in response to: Scott Reid
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Scott Reid wrote:
The reason for the whole question is threads here on publishing via CreateSpace and IngramSpark both brought up having two publishers selling the same book...
YOU are the publisher. KDP Print Beta and IngramSpark are merely printers. That said, you can have two printers/distribution channels producing and offering the exact same book, with the same ISBN, provided you, the publisher, own that ISBN. Many of us do exactly that.

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Re: KDP & IngramSpark - 3 trim sizes (2 IS and 1 KDP) & eBooks
Posted: Dec 17, 2017 4:13 AM   in response to: Sarah E. Holroyd in response to: Sarah E. Holroyd
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you can have two printers/distribution channels producing and offering the exact same book, with the same ISBN, provided you, the publisher, own that ISBN. Many of us do exactly that.

Sarah, have you ever experienced any problems with the one IBSN / two distributors policy? And do you use KDP Print or CreateSpace for the version to be Amazon-exclusive? And (the last one, I promise!) are the two PDFs and especially their spines identical between the two distributors?

Thanks! -- NJ

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Sarah E. Holroyd

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Re: KDP & IngramSpark - 3 trim sizes (2 IS and 1 KDP) & eBooks
Posted: Dec 17, 2017 8:08 AM   in response to: Notjohn in response to: Notjohn
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Notjohn wrote:
Sarah, have you ever experienced any problems with the one IBSN / two distributors policy?
No.
And do you use KDP Print or CreateSpace for the version to be Amazon-exclusive?
CreateSpace
And (the last one, I promise!) are the two PDFs and especially their spines identical between the two distributors?
The interiors are the same file. The covers are different because they use different paper, but I know of some others who use the same cover PDF as well. (I prefer to provide each supplier exactly what they request so there's little chance of anyone "fixing" anything for me.

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Re: KDP & IngramSpark - 3 trim sizes (2 IS and 1 KDP) & eBooks
Posted: Dec 17, 2017 8:24 AM   in response to: Sarah E. Holroyd in response to: Sarah E. Holroyd
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Thank you, Sarah. You are a treasure.

Happy Christmas! - NJ

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