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G S

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Page numbers and section breaks for paperback formatting
Posted: Jan 2, 2018 3:27 PM
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I am formatting for paperback from a .doc file. As per the instructions, I inserted a section break after my front matter and it is causing all sorts of bizarre problems. I cannot delete it; attempting to do so doubles the length of the manuscript? The instructions say to insert the section break so that page numbers won't appear on your front matter. But when I go to insert the page numbers, they still appear in the front matter. I am at the end of my rope with this. Please help?
Ralph E Vaughan

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Re: Page numbers and section breaks for paperback formatting
Posted: Jan 2, 2018 3:45 PM   in response to: G S in response to: G S
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If you don't want pagination in your front material, but pagination in the following section, you need to disconnect the two sections by clicking the link symbol, "breaking" the chain, so the second section does not continue from previous section. When you set up pagination for the second section specify 1 as your start number. Appearances might vary, depending upon which Word edition you have, but the process should be fairly uniform.
G S

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Re: Page numbers and section breaks for paperback formatting
Posted: Jan 2, 2018 3:56 PM   in response to: Ralph E Vaughan in response to: Ralph E Vaughan
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Thank you. Okay, I figured out the breaking the link part, I think, and now the page numbers don't appear in my front matter. Problem is, now the page number only appears in the specific footer I have clicked on, not all the following footers. Any ideas?
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Re: Page numbers and section breaks for paperback formatting
Posted: Jan 2, 2018 4:08 PM   in response to: G S in response to: G S
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If everything from your chosen Page 1 on are in the same Section, the page number should appear in all of them. Make sure you have done "insert page #" from the menu rather than just typing in the number 1.
William Thompson

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Re: Page numbers and section breaks for paperback formatting
Posted: Jan 2, 2018 7:03 PM   in response to: G S in response to: G S
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The following Youtube video will show you how to split and number different book sections in Word:
https://youtu.be/TaEk_8I6vuY

Why not try my free Sigil plugins now available on MobileRead?

OpenDocHTMLImport - converts ODT HTML(Writer) docs directly to epub.

NormalizeScrivEpub - reformats, finishes off and normalizes Scrivener-generated epubs

LogicalTOCStyler - allows users to easily style the Logical TOC(Device TOC) as they prefer

You can download all these free plugins from The Sigil Plugin Index on the MR Forum

Ralph E Vaughan

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Re: Page numbers and section breaks for paperback formatting
Posted: Jan 2, 2018 8:44 PM   in response to: G S in response to: G S
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G S wrote:
Thank you. Okay, I figured out the breaking the link part, I think, and now the page numbers don't appear in my front matter. Problem is, now the page number only appears in the specific footer I have clicked on, not all the following footers. Any ideas?

You're not putting in an ending section/page break at the end of every page, are you? Don't. Even when you insert a page break at the end of a chapter, you don't start new pagination, you just keep typing, letting the page numbers come automatically. If your proficiency with Word is not up to print book production (slightly higher than that of a good word processor), there are hundreds of tutorials on YouTube...using Word to format an e-book takes even greater Word skill, plus an assiduous adherence to Styles. Again, tutorials. Good luck.
MR R J LAIDLER

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Re: Page numbers and section breaks for paperback formatting
Posted: Jan 3, 2018 3:06 AM   in response to: G S in response to: G S
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At the risk of adding further confusion I didn't use Word to create my paperback although I did use it to write the original book. OpenOffice Writer can produce a very good PDF file at 300 dpi which is what you really need for a paperback. OOW is free and not hugely dissimilar to Word so you shouldn't be too lost. You will find advice online about section breaks, mirrored pages and mirrored footers which are what you will probably want to use.

The trick, which I am sure you know but I don't think everyone does, is unlike an eBook, where page size is irrelevant, for a paperback you need to select a page size which is exactly the same size as your finished book is going to be. There is an exception, which is when using bleed but for a normal print book this doesn't apply. The margins and gutter then need to be applied which is where you need mirrored pages. If you want the page numbers to be in the outside corners then you also need mirrored footers.

You will probably want to define at least two page styles. One with a footer and page number for the bulk of the book and one without for the title page etc. You might also want a third style if you want some front matter to have say lowercase Roman numeral numbering.

There is a bit more you can do, playing around with where the numbering starts is a neat trick. For example, having the start of the text page numbered 1 rather than say 8 or 9 or whatever it will be if you don't control it.

It can be done - I managed it!* :)

*Except page numbering starting at 1 - I forgot. :(
Notjohn

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Re: Page numbers and section breaks for paperback formatting
Posted: Jan 3, 2018 3:13 AM   in response to: G S in response to: G S
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I do this in OpenOffice Writer because I don't do it often, and the menus in OOW are more intuitive than Word's. (All those tabs! Ugh.) But yes, done right, it's the most frustrating part of formatting a print edition.

Weirdly, a poster on Kboards Writers Forum pointed me to a drop-dead easy way to build a paperback. She has built the book using paragraph and heading styles in Word. Then she uploads it at Draft2Digital, choosing one of several themes, and a few seconds later downloads the finished PDF. It's amazing. You'll have to set up a D2D account, of course, but there's no obligation actually to distribute anything through them. (Though on the other hand, why not? I sell a lot of books through Barnes & Noble and the Book Depository, which funnily enough is the outfit that supplies my paperbacks to Amazon's Australian store and often to the Canadian store.)

Mind you, I would never do this, because I take too much pride in my books. The hyphenation is a bit wild, and of course one has no control over those pesky widows and orphans. But for what I might call disposable fiction -- read it once and throw it away -- it would serve the purpose if you can keep the price down.

(Don't trust KDP to publish a print edition. Don't trust CreateSpace to publish an ebook. Each does one thing well and the other thing poorly.)

Good luck! -- NJ

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writerbn

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Re: Page numbers and section breaks for paperback formatting
Posted: Jan 3, 2018 4:34 AM   in response to: Notjohn in response to: Notjohn
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Notjohn wrote:
I do this in OpenOffice Writer because I don't do it often, and the menus in OOW are more intuitive than Word's. (All those tabs! Ugh.) But yes, done right, it's the most frustrating part of formatting a print edition.
Or you could use a professional print layout tool, like InDesign, and save yourself a lot of frustration :)
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Re: Page numbers and section breaks for paperback formatting
Posted: Jan 4, 2018 5:00 AM   in response to: writerbn in response to: writerbn
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I'd rather save the $19.99 a month!

(Don't trust KDP to publish a print edition. Don't trust CreateSpace to publish an ebook. Each does one thing well and the other thing poorly.)

Good luck! -- NJ

Notjohn's Guide to E-Book & Print Formatting (2018 edition)

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writerbn

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Re: Page numbers and section breaks for paperback formatting
Posted: Jan 4, 2018 6:39 AM   in response to: Notjohn in response to: Notjohn
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Notjohn wrote:
I'd rather save the $19.99 a month!
I pay $49.99 a month, and it's well worth it. However, I use several of the CS apps on a daily basis for my "day job". I also like the sub*scription method from an accounting standpoint, as it's less hassle than buying software outright and amortizing the cost.
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