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Nine Lives

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8 years of effort, finally out in the world - need suggestions
Posted: Jan 2, 2018 11:44 PM
 
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I've finally published my book after 8 years of writing multiple drafts.
I'm trying to create a new mode of reading fiction with this book. The 9 chapters will be released one every week.
Do you guys think that's a good way to promote readership?
Also, the middle seven chapters are optional to read and can be read in any order.

FYI - My Book - Nine Lives of a Politician
C. Gold

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Re: 8 years of effort, finally out in the world - need suggestions
Posted: Jan 3, 2018 12:56 AM   in response to: Nine Lives in response to: Nine Lives
 
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Short answer: No.

Detailed answer:

1 book = 25 pages for 99c and 9 total books = $9 to read your entire book with codes required to unlock chapters? How does that even work with all the ereaders out there? Does this mean the entire book is gibberish until I download something from somewhere other than the Zon? I doubt they'll be too happy about that and likely make it hard to impossible to use promotion sites for something like this. This sounds like something that needs to be done on your own website where you can have your blog, forums, puzzle solving, and chapter unlocking and a centralized place to read the text where you can set some for free and others at a lower minimum price than 99c. Why even bother with the locked chapters in the first place? This sounds super shady and I predict many one star reviews even despite your info dump in the blurb about it. They could even complain to Zon about unreadable books and your book will get blocked by the Zon. Bragging that you have no author name only adds to the shady factor with locked chapters. People aren't going to understand this. KU people aren't going to want to bother with extra steps. Each extra hoop a reader has to jump through = less sales.

Also, your blurb is so busy talking about this new book format, it forgot to say what the story is about or what genre. And the cover doesn't help either. It's the ugly cover creator template that breaks all cover design rules in a bad way and screams DON'T BUY ME! because that cover choice is used by many of the really terrible self pub'd books out there.

You repeat the blurb info in the Look Inside so people can't tell what your writing is like either.

I would write a normal book with a professional looking cover and decent length/price and try to get established with a reader base before going experimental like this. That way, you'd already have readers who know your writing style and have some trust in you and may be more willing to dive into your experiment. Also, I would go with a unified platform for your experiment rather than trying to sell locked chapters on the Zon. I don't see that ending well for you at all.
Donna St Felix

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Re: 8 years of effort, finally out in the world - need suggestions
Posted: Jan 3, 2018 2:23 AM   in response to: Nine Lives in response to: Nine Lives
 
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Nine Lives wrote:
I've finally published my book after 8 years of writing multiple drafts.
I'm trying to create a new mode of reading fiction with this book. The 9 chapters will be released one every week.
Do you guys think that's a good way to promote readership?
Also, the middle seven chapters are optional to read and can be read in any order.

No need to post the above more than once.
Answered on the other thread.
Nine Lives

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Re: 8 years of effort, finally out in the world - need suggestions
Posted: Jan 3, 2018 3:44 AM   in response to: C. Gold in response to: C. Gold
 
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$1 is for one book which has 9 chapters in total. No need to pay multiple times.
Instead of releasing all the chapters at the same time, I'll be pushing in the new chapters every week.
The readers will have to update the book on Kindle every week to see the new chapter. (Kindle automatically updates the book when changes are pushed from my side)
The codes to unlock chapters is for my website readers. There the book is much more interactive.
Kindle users need not bother with codes. They will just have to read one chapter every week.
I think this will make people look forward to something on a regular basis.
Also I dont know why Amazon is showing it as 25 pages. On my tablet its coming out to be 40.
Donna St Felix

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Re: 8 years of effort, finally out in the world - need suggestions
Posted: Jan 3, 2018 3:48 AM   in response to: Nine Lives in response to: Nine Lives
 
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Nine Lives wrote:
$1 is for one book which has 9 chapters in total. No need to pay multiple times.
Instead of releasing all the chapters at the same time, I'll be pushing in the new chapters every week.
The readers will have to update the book on Kindle every week to see the new chapter. (Kindle automatically updates the book when changes are pushed from my side)
The codes to unlock chapters is for my website readers. There the book is much more interactive.
Kindle users need not bother with codes. They will just have to read one chapter every week.
I think this will make people look forward to something on a regular basis.
Also I dont know why Amazon is showing it as 25 pages. On my tablet its coming out to be 40.

Kindle buyers can download what they buy only ONCE. If they need to redownload for any reason they still get what they originally bought.
They will not be able to download the updates as you expect.
Cynthia E. Hurst

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Re: 8 years of effort, finally out in the world - need suggestions
Posted: Jan 3, 2018 3:54 AM   in response to: Nine Lives in response to: Nine Lives
 
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People won't look forward to it; they'll lose interest. Why make it so complicated? You're competing with thousands of other books, so putting barriers between you and your potential customers is never a good idea. And with all due respect, if it's taken you eight years to complete one book, you won't keep your readers anyway. If you look at most successful writers, especially indies, they are releasing at least two full-length books a year, sometimes more, to keep readers interested.
Nine Lives

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Re: 8 years of effort, finally out in the world - need suggestions
Posted: Jan 3, 2018 4:01 AM   in response to: Cynthia E. Hurst in response to: Cynthia E. Hurst
 
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hmm.. thanks for the feedback.
My ultimate aim is to promote my books on my website. Kindle is my secondary audience only.
I'll be releasing a new book every 3 months now. Its taken me 8 years to create the whole universe and all 9 books with complex relations between each book and every character.
I want to check out how my book will fare through kindle if I proceed this way.
Your inputs are definitely important. I'll consider them and may implement it in the future publications.
steven morris

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Re: 8 years of effort, finally out in the world - need suggestions
Posted: Jan 3, 2018 5:15 AM   in response to: Nine Lives in response to: Nine Lives
 
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Possibly the worst idea since woolly condoms.
C. Gold

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Re: 8 years of effort, finally out in the world - need suggestions
Posted: Jan 3, 2018 5:49 AM   in response to: Nine Lives in response to: Nine Lives
 
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Three huge issues.

One - as people have said, it takes an act of Contact Us to get the book pushed to readers who already bought it, and that's only if there's major update and I'm not sure how kind they'll be if you do that eight times.

Two - readers have to realize you pushed something new which I don't think shows up in their email even if they follow you on your Zon author page for just a revision. If you do manage to push a new revision, it's a passive system where it shows up in the content and devices list as an upgrade and doesn't say jack about how much of a change it involves. I just skip those because I've read the book already.

Three - the reader loses their current page and ANY notes and bookmarks they had in the original if they accept the update which is why Zon doesn't push updates to the devices.

Release your book as a single whole on Kindle platform. Don't try the update over the top of itself because that's not how the platform is designed and is not reader friendly.
juniewint

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Re: 8 years of effort, finally out in the world - need suggestions
Posted: Jan 3, 2018 7:27 AM   in response to: Nine Lives in response to: Nine Lives
 
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Hi,

owing to the difficulties with Kindle, I would suggest doing what you said, releasing a chapter every week for nine weeks, but on your website only. Then release the complete book on Kindle.

P.S. Maybe the Kindle version could contain a 10th chapter, to encourage people from your website to buy it?

Kind regards,

June

Edited by: juniewint on Jan 3, 2018 7:29 AM
Brad the wronger

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Re: 8 years of effort, finally out in the world - need suggestions
Posted: Jan 3, 2018 8:23 AM   in response to: Nine Lives in response to: Nine Lives
 
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I agree 100% with C. Gold and Cynthia.

Instead of trying to reinvent something, why not stick to what works? Give the characters names, turn the project from a game to a book, and publish it as a complete book. I do like the idea of basing chapters on cardinal sins.
Ralph E Vaughan

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Re: 8 years of effort, finally out in the world - need suggestions
Posted: Jan 3, 2018 8:50 AM   in response to: Nine Lives in response to: Nine Lives
 
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Your one review rather speaks for itself, don't you think?
uncle1282

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Re: 8 years of effort, finally out in the world - need suggestions
Posted: Jan 3, 2018 9:24 AM   in response to: steven morris in response to: steven morris
 
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Hah. Yeah, a crazy idea. As an impatient reader I wouldn't get past the 2nd week.
cdalebrittain

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Re: 8 years of effort, finally out in the world - need suggestions
Posted: Jan 3, 2018 10:33 AM   in response to: Nine Lives in response to: Nine Lives
 
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Looks like he's taken down the book. Just as well.
C. Gold

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Re: 8 years of effort, finally out in the world - need suggestions
Posted: Jan 3, 2018 5:11 PM   in response to: Nine Lives in response to: Nine Lives
 
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I forgot to add a note about your choice of name.

Do a search on Nine Lives and what do you see? Twenty pages on the Zon about cats. Now try Google. Using a name like this is a terrible idea because even if people want to find you, they can't. Your author pen name is your brand, like Twinkies or Kleenex, and you want people to associate your name with your books and be able to find your books without effort on their part. The more obfuscated your work or your name, the fewer readers you'll have.
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