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B.L. Alley

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Re: We ALL make mistakes!
Posted: Jan 2, 2018 8:15 PM   in response to: Jonathan B in response to: Jonathan B
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Isn't this supposed to be about helping each other rather than bragging about how many books you sell and how much you were able to spend on cover art?

"those books only bringing about $75-150 each per month now" I'd be ecstatic to have those numbers.
Jonathan B

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Re: We ALL make mistakes!
Posted: Jan 2, 2018 8:22 PM   in response to: B.L. Alley in response to: B.L. Alley
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B.L. Alley wrote:
Isn't this supposed to be about helping each other rather than bragging about how many books you sell and how much you were able to spend on cover art?

"those books only bringing about $75-150 each per month now" I'd be ecstatic to have those numbers.


I'm sorry you took it that way.

My point was that I wondered if it would be worth it to spend that much when it might take nine months to pay that back.
B.L. Alley

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Re: We ALL make mistakes!
Posted: Jan 2, 2018 8:26 PM   in response to: Jonathan B in response to: Jonathan B
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There is no other way for most of us to take it, and I have a hard time believing you don't know that. Bragging is pretty common theme with you.
Jonathan B

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Re: We ALL make mistakes!
Posted: Jan 2, 2018 8:50 PM   in response to: B.L. Alley in response to: B.L. Alley
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B.L. Alley wrote:
There is no other way for most of us to take it, and I have a hard time believing you don't know that. Bragging is pretty common theme with you.

Whatever.

I make it a point not to write specifics about how much I make or don't make. When I mention successes in this business back by numbers, it is almost always about others I know. But if you've taken such a dislike to my posts and me, then you don't have to read what I write.

Regardless, have a successful 2018. I don't wish anyone ill.
C. Gold

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Re: We ALL make mistakes!
Posted: Jan 2, 2018 8:55 PM   in response to: Jonathan B in response to: Jonathan B
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You should shop around more. David@hotcovers.net did my fantasy book covers for $99 and I think they look really good despite the low cost. If you browse on kboards.com you can find other cover designers in the 100 dollar range and even some wicked looking premades for less than that.

Amazing urban fantasy premades:
http://www.kboards.com/index.php/topic,133652.0.html

Here's the guy who did my covers:
http://www.kboards.com/index.php/topic,250533.0.html

Here's my goal guy for illustrated covers ($500 range). I sure hope he's still making these by the time I write an epic fantasy worthy of his illustrations:
http://www.kboards.com/index.php/topic,206443.0.html

I have more links to share if you give me the genre you are interested in. Or you can start keeping an eye on the Writers' Cafe on kboards when the cover designers bump their threads. Not every cheap cover designer is good, but there are enough in each genre to satisfy indie authors on a tight budget. I also have a cover designer from Facebook that I'm keeping an eye on. He also does amazing sci fi.
Jonathan B

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Re: We ALL make mistakes!
Posted: Jan 2, 2018 9:03 PM   in response to: C. Gold in response to: C. Gold
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THose are good covers, and I know from folks who make far more than I do that those type work. I've just got it in my head that I need original art that reflects my story. The $500 guy has some nice work.

I have a friend who writes part time, then makes spaceship covers the rest of the day. He sells some for about $100 and uses the rest. They don't match the story, but as he says, all they have to do is convey what the book is about, not depict a scene from the book.

Intellectually, I understand this, but I just can't seem to follow suit. Just before my last posts, I reached out to a Russian artist whose work I'd seen at a convention, and I'm asking him to sex-up once of my lousy covers. I hated to do that, because that is excatly the opposite of what the book is about (the protagonist is initially used as a prop before she asserts herself) but too many people, successful writers, have told me I need to do that if I want the book to sell. The cover is bad, I'll admit, and it has sold the worst of all 22 books in that universe, so I figured why not try what some experts suggest?
C. Gold

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Re: We ALL make mistakes!
Posted: Jan 2, 2018 9:27 PM   in response to: Jonathan B in response to: Jonathan B
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You should try the new covers, I'm sure it will improve sales even if the scene isn't in the book. I admit I got exactly what I wanted in a scene straight out of the book with my cover designer. I told him key things like Grand Canyon like area, zombie like enemies with tentacles, and descriptions of the male and female and what they wear.
acornwriter

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Re: We ALL make mistakes!
Posted: Jan 2, 2018 10:19 PM   in response to: Jonathan B in response to: Jonathan B
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OMG... please Do Not Stop bragging. Jonathan, I would have no other way of knowing what success is. Or what to expect. I step in the big footprints you leave behind in the wet sand. If all we hear about, are those who don't sell much, we would all be discouraged. Keep talking big. I love it.Glad that professionals feel safe, openly discussing business. That's what this forum is for. So grateful for your candidness.
Gary O'Riley

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Re: We ALL make mistakes!
Posted: Jan 3, 2018 1:16 AM   in response to: C. Gold in response to: C. Gold
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C. Gold wrote:
Here's my goal guy for illustrated covers ($500 range). I sure hope he's still making these by the time I write an epic fantasy worthy of his illustrations:
http://www.kboards.com/index.php/topic,206443.0.html

If I may borrow Hitch's style of posting: Man, those covers are good!
Dave Casey

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Re: We ALL make mistakes!
Posted: Jan 3, 2018 1:37 AM   in response to: Jonathan B in response to: Jonathan B
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Jonathan B wrote:
Intellectually, I understand this, but I just can't seem to follow suit. Just before my last posts, I reached out to a Russian artist whose work I'd seen at a convention, > and I'm asking him to sex-up once of my lousy covers. I hated to do that, because that is excatly the opposite of what the book is about (the protagonist is initially

You can do that, but I can't with one of my novels. Into The Wishing Well is about a good, little preacher's daughter. So I can't really have a cover showing her dressed up like a pole dancer. ;)
booknookbiz

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Re: We ALL make mistakes!
Posted: Jan 3, 2018 9:29 PM   in response to: Dave Casey in response to: Dave Casey
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Dave Casey wrote:
Jonathan B wrote:
Intellectually, I understand this, but I just can't seem to follow suit. Just before my last posts, I reached out to a Russian artist whose work I'd seen at a convention, > and I'm asking him to sex-up once of my lousy covers. I hated to do that, because that is excatly the opposite of what the book is about (the protagonist is initially

You can do that, but I can't with one of my novels. Into The Wishing Well is about a good, little preacher's daughter. So I can't really have a cover showing her dressed up like a pole dancer. ;)


Dave:

There are at least 7 different categories of pre-mades, and you could probably find one that would suit.

For pre-mades, yes, I think that they are pretty nice covers, and good value.

@Jonathan: I agree with you, I would not expend a ton of money, given what the books are selling. But you might want to test ONE, and see if updating one would change the number of sales. That would help you think about ROI, n'est-ce pas?

@BL: You know that normally, we agree on a lot of things, but I honestly think you must just be having a crap day. Jonathan never brags, and I absolutely don't think that is what he was saying. Granted, I like Jonathan, so I'm admittedly biased, but BL, you know I'll call people on their stuff. I just don't feel that's what he was doing, at all.

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Jonathan B

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Re: We ALL make mistakes!
Posted: Jan 3, 2018 9:39 PM   in response to: booknookbiz in response to: booknookbiz
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booknookbiz wrote:
@Jonathan: I agree with you, I would not expend a ton of money, given what the books are selling. But you might want to test ONE, and see if updating one would change the number of sales. That would help you think about ROI, n'est-ce pas?

That's my plan now. I'm going to take the worst one, which is a stand alone in the same universe, and see what happens. It sells the worst of any of the rest, so if the sales or page reads jump, I should be able to tell.
booknookbiz

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Re: We ALL make mistakes!
Posted: Jan 3, 2018 10:03 PM   in response to: Jonathan B in response to: Jonathan B
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Jonathan B wrote:
booknookbiz wrote:
@Jonathan: I agree with you, I would not expend a ton of money, given what the books are selling. But you might want to test ONE, and see if updating one would change the number of sales. That would help you think about ROI, n'est-ce pas?

That's my plan now. I'm going to take the worst one, which is a stand alone in the same universe, and see what happens. It sells the worst of any of the rest, so if the sales or page reads jump, I should be able to tell.

Sounds like a plan.

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