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robethpublishin...

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Posted: Apr 22, 2012 12:26 PM   in response to: 2ndhandstory in response to: 2ndhandstory
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If I followed Picoult's advice I would not have money to pay my house payment, medical insurance, utilities, buy groceries and pay for other living expenses.

Even if I did manage to land a publishing deal (which I am not interested in), I doubt I would generate the income I have now.

While self publishing is not for every author, neither is the traditional publisher.

It is a brand new world out there. I love it. :)
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Posted: Apr 22, 2012 12:36 PM   in response to: ricfrey in response to: ricfrey
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Amazon is a store not a gallery.

Any decent store wouldn't sell rotten bananas, if it did customers would start going elsewhere!
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Posted: Apr 22, 2012 12:47 PM   in response to: robethpublishin... in response to: robethpublishin...
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Agreed!
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Posted: Apr 22, 2012 12:55 PM   in response to: authormark in response to: authormark
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The problem with your analogy – while it is fairly easy to identify a rotten banana, the same can’t be said about a book.

Just as there are readers (customers) out there who would prefer to stick with books vetted by the traditional gatekeeper, there are readers (customers) looking for something different and appreciate the selection of censor free reading material now available.

For those readers who crave endless vampire stories – they can now find them, even when they go out of fashion with the mainstream and the big 6 decides it is no longer profitable to publish them.

It is my opinion authors can start making a real living when they develop a fan base – and readers come back again and again for that writer’s work. If the book is truly crap, and of no value to any reader, then the author will not be able to develop the necessary fan base, and eventually he will wither on the vine and his books will disappear in the searches.
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Posted: Apr 22, 2012 1:03 PM   in response to: renfelt in response to: renfelt
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After reading the DaVinci Code I read a few of his others and guessed it every time. No surprises.

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Posted: Apr 22, 2012 1:07 PM   in response to: 2ndhandstory in response to: 2ndhandstory
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I've read a few Jodi Picoult's and thought they were poor. I'd give them 2 stars and a bad review.

Most of the indies I've read are far better.

Joanna
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Posted: Apr 22, 2012 2:00 PM   in response to: tracihilton in response to: tracihilton
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Going back to the original post.
The mild mannered housewife, caring by day, looking after her children, seeing to their needs, but by night, the writer. Infusing her imagination into her words, disdaining the world of the published elite.
Is it a bird? Is it a plane? Is it an established writer?
No, it’s supertraci. Ready to combat the distracters, ready to swoop on the critics of Indies. Our champion in times of trouble. Well done Traci. This in no way satirizes you.
On a more serious note, the greatest problem with Indie writers is their American ideal of ‘Get Rich Quick’ or should that be Kwik schemes? A pity really, and I hate to say this but many have this delusional idea that writing is their way to riches. When it is anything but. Kindle is an outlet to showcase your talent, to put your novels out there. Okay, many will be seen by thousands, depending on your social networking and marketing skills, and has been said by others on this post many will sink without a trace. And that is also a pity.
As for myself, I’ve never checked my rankings, I’ve never checked my reviews, I’ve purposefully kept away from them. My ideal, my philosophy is to put my stories out there. And to this end I’m going to offer all my novels for free, as soon as I work out how to do it.
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Posted: Apr 22, 2012 2:08 PM   in response to: avaganda10 in response to: avaganda10
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Why offer them for free? Are you not worthy of payment for your efforts?


Oh dear...

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Posted: Apr 22, 2012 2:14 PM   in response to: lins777 in response to: lins777
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As I mentioned on another threat - when pricing books, we need to think about the time the reader invests in the story.

I agree with you. If a reader doesn't feel the author values his own work, chances are the reader won't invest his time.
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Posted: Apr 22, 2012 2:19 PM   in response to: robethpublishin... in response to: robethpublishin...
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and the time and money invested by the customer who was scammed by that crap books sham reviews - how many of them won't buy another indi?

It's not just the book that will wither away, the customer base will follow.
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Posted: Apr 22, 2012 2:33 PM   in response to: robethpublishin... in response to: robethpublishin...
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I think we're coming full circle here...how odd that we both came from different directions, but now, both agree!

But you do see what I mean, obviously?
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Posted: Apr 22, 2012 2:35 PM   in response to: authormark in response to: authormark
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I agree with you too...there doesn't appear to be a simple solution. None of us what anything but the best, but getting there seems to be riddled with obstacles and not of our making!
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Posted: Apr 22, 2012 2:35 PM   in response to: authormark in response to: authormark
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I respectfully disagree.

While an author will lose his customer base (or never develop one) for producing crap no one wants - I believe the report of Amazon suffering from a terminal illness is grossly exaggerated. If that were the case, you wouldn’t have the Big 6 all panicky over what is currently happening in the publishing industry.
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Posted: Apr 22, 2012 2:40 PM   in response to: authormark in response to: authormark
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Honestly, I don't really understand the gatekeepers argument. The paradigm hasn't changed... it just has new beneficiaries.

The publishing industry has never been about weeding out bad writers. It has always been about what sells and what doesn't. Now, the pool is much larger, but the proportions are the same. 10 years ago, if I went to a bookstore, the majority of books I saw there were crap. That's still true. Gatekeepers never protected the reader... they decided what the reader could read.

And let's not pretend that indie authors invented deceptive reviews. That practice was, is, and will always be a major tool of any PR firm.

If you ask me, the only difference between the old way and the new way is now there are more [i]good [/i]books hidden among the crap....

Terrible books have always been a major part of the book industry. Before, they were just harder to spot because they had good editors. I like it better this way... now, I can recognize a bad author on page one, instead of having to give them 3 chapters before I realize they can't tell a story.

Just my opinion.
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Posted: Apr 22, 2012 2:40 PM   in response to: robethpublishin... in response to: robethpublishin...
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Bobbi - i think the big six are panicking because they have lost the right to price fix, along with Apple on e-pubs...And becuase they have held the reigns so long...They were the original gatekeepers and now they are not!
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