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Re: Specific reading audience
Posted: Feb 4, 2018 1:03 PM   in response to: Jack McEwan in response to: Jack McEwan
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I was simply asking for advice. As a new author I don't have much experience in this field and I am still learning the business. My first foray into research was this forum as I thought I could meet some nice people here that would be glad to help me. This was obviously a mistake. I don't see why certain people on this forum choose to respond with such a nasty tone. I even used myself as an example, at age 53, that if I had a choice to read a 300 page story, I would prefer to read an actual book than an e-reader. Just because you are quite successful and have expansive knowledge in this business does not give you license to fire insults at someone who is looking for some guidance. Isn't that what this forum is for? It shouldn't be for nasty, elitist snobs that enjoy patrolling these forums like sharks. You scour the forum looking for questions as an opportunity to openly rip someone apart because they unknowingly created a faux pas. It also gives you the chance to expound to everyone, with an air of superiority, that you are a connoisseur of literature and from this point on, everyone should recognize this as such, whenever they see your name appear on this forum. That was obviously your goal. It wasn't to offer helpful advice. Congratulations madam on achieving your purpose. You remind me of the character, Fortunato, in Edgar Allan Poe's story, "The Cask of Amontillado."

Edited by: Jack McEwan on Feb 4, 2018 9:29 AM


Jack, my friend:

If you get this upset, because I pointed out that perhaps--just perhaps--you made some ageist assumptions that seem to be utterly unwarranted--then stop writing, NOW. Writing, authoring and publishing are full-contact blood sports. You think I was "nasty?" Wait until you get some reviews, talking about how dreadful your book is. Or that it's boring. Or, or, or....no matter who you are, Rowling or Brown or Clancy, etc., you WILL get bad reviews. The better a writer you are, the meaner they'll get.

The buying public is pretty fed up with shelling out cash for badly-written books. Am I saying that of necessity, you'll be a dreadful writer? No. But, if this is your first book, it will, almost without fail, be pretty awful. Everyone's first book IS. Hell, there are a couple of writers here, who are doing quite well, whose publishing careers I've followed--and their first books weren't great shakes. Fortunately, people stuck with them, but, sans MUCH better second, third, etc., attempts, they would have crashed and burned.

Sure--I made fun of your assumption. GET OVER IT. If you're that thin-skinned, take up another hobby. Seriously. Your inital assumption was pretty damned dumb--that "old folks's hands" would get tired holding an iPad. Maybe they would--but many buy lighter devices, dedicated readers, which are quite, quite light. When I binge read, which I do when my business drives me b*tsh*t, I can read on a Voyage for 8-10 hours at a pop, sometimes MORE if the battery holds.

Now, as NICELY as I can put it: we "old folks" seem to manage to read on devices just fine. Just because YOU would prefer a paperback means absolutely nothing. Nor is there some rule that says you MUST publish only on digital versus print--why wouldn't you do BOTH? (n.b.: when I read David Simon's "The Corner," which is 800+ pages, it was in print--in 8pt type. Needless to say, I turned around and bought the book in Kindle, so I could read it without squinting like Mr. Magoo. In that instance, you _really think anyone over the age of 40 would WANT the print version_?????)

Hell, if you think I'm tough, wait for your first critique group. All I did was make fun of your presumption. Just wait until someone castigates your heart's blood poured out onto paper!

Simon Farrance wrote:
"By the way, Hitch, I now incorporate page breaks into styles, and I love it. Thanks for that one."

You are most welcome, Simon. Glad it's made your life easier--and thanks for the nice comments. :-)

Hitch
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Duane Dingle

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Re: Specific reading audience
Posted: Feb 4, 2018 2:31 PM   in response to: booknookbiz in response to: booknookbiz
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booknookbiz wrote:
Jack McEwan wrote:
I was simply asking for advice. As a new author I don't have much experience in this field and I am still learning the business. My first foray into research was this forum as I thought I could meet some nice people here that would be glad to help me. This was obviously a mistake. I don't see why certain people on this forum choose to respond with such a nasty tone. I even used myself as an example, at age 53, that if I had a choice to read a 300 page story, I would prefer to read an actual book than an e-reader. Just because you are quite successful and have expansive knowledge in this business does not give you license to fire insults at someone who is looking for some guidance. Isn't that what this forum is for? It shouldn't be for nasty, elitist snobs that enjoy patrolling these forums like sharks. You scour the forum looking for questions as an opportunity to openly rip someone apart because they unknowingly created a faux pas. It also gives you the chance to expound to everyone, with an air of superiority, that you are a connoisseur of literature and from this point on, everyone should recognize this as such, whenever they see your name appear on this forum. That was obviously your goal. It wasn't to offer helpful advice. Congratulations madam on achieving your purpose. You remind me of the character, Fortunato, in Edgar Allan Poe's story, "The Cask of Amontillado."

Edited by: Jack McEwan on Feb 4, 2018 9:29 AM

Jack, my friend:

If you get this upset, because I pointed out that perhaps--just perhaps--you made some ageist assumptions that seem to be utterly unwarranted--then stop writing, NOW. Writing, authoring and publishing are full-contact blood sports. You think I was "nasty?" Wait until you get some reviews, talking about how dreadful your book is. Or that it's boring. Or, or, or....no matter who you are, Rowling or Brown or Clancy, etc., you WILL get bad reviews. The better a writer you are, the meaner they'll get.

The buying public is pretty fed up with shelling out cash for badly-written books. Am I saying that of necessity, you'll be a dreadful writer? No. But, if this is your first book, it will, almost without fail, be pretty awful. Everyone's first book IS. Hell, there are a couple of writers here, who are doing quite well, whose publishing careers I've followed--and their first books weren't great shakes. Fortunately, people stuck with them, but, sans MUCH better second, third, etc., attempts, they would have crashed and burned.

Sure--I made fun of your assumption. GET OVER IT. If you're that thin-skinned, take up another hobby. Seriously. Your inital assumption was pretty damned dumb--that "old folks's hands" would get tired holding an iPad. Maybe they would--but many buy lighter devices, dedicated readers, which are quite, quite light. When I binge read, which I do when my business drives me b*tsh*t, I can read on a Voyage for 8-10 hours at a pop, sometimes MORE if the battery holds.

Now, as NICELY as I can put it: we "old folks" seem to manage to read on devices just fine. Just because YOU would prefer a paperback means absolutely nothing. Nor is there some rule that says you MUST publish only on digital versus print--why wouldn't you do BOTH? (n.b.: when I read David Simon's "The Corner," which is 800+ pages, it was in print--in 8pt type. Needless to say, I turned around and bought the book in Kindle, so I could read it without squinting like Mr. Magoo. In that instance, you _really think anyone over the age of 40 would WANT the print version_?????)

Hell, if you think I'm tough, wait for your first critique group. All I did was make fun of your presumption. Just wait until someone castigates your heart's blood poured out onto paper!

Simon Farrance wrote:
"By the way, Hitch, I now incorporate page breaks into styles, and I love it. Thanks for that one."

You are most welcome, Simon. Glad it's made your life easier--and thanks for the nice comments. :-)

Hitch
We produce eBooks
An Amazon Professional Conversion Service : http://amzn.to/29pWZSg
www.Booknook.Biz

Actually, to me it came across as if you were the one being thin-skinned and this post is just your way of trying to excuse the inexcusable. It's not the first time you stated you were personally offended by a someone's post on here, and I'm sure it won't be the last. You usually come off as more cover than content when you state your opinion is the absolute, and your post here reminds me of some of those bad reviews that say more of about the reviewer than the actual work. I think your post ending with "Just wait until someone castigates your heart's blood poured out onto paper!" is a good example of it. There are people that can help you deal with that.

Beside destroying any credibility your business might have in here, do you even write books? Usually the folks offering a services to "writers" tend to be failed ones and those failed ones tend to have a negative outlook on the industry and those in it...and sometimes spread that negativity in this forum. Now it might be a bad idea to ask for advice in this forum of mostly armchair writers, though many seem to be good people being smothered by the ones I would tag as KDP trolls, but asking a question is allowed and by anyone, and as much as you seem to want to believe you do, you don't control the forum. If you don't like a question, you can ignore it, but attacking the poster for asking it and sharing his opinion is just immature on your part, which, like I stated, says more about the attacker than the attacked and certainly doesn't do the credibility of your "business" any good.

It seems that some in here assume a new poster is a brand new writer or a novice and seem to feed on abusing them with the excuse that it will toughen their skin. It's a poor assumption and an even poorer excuse that reflects poorly on the forum and the attacker being read by thousands of others not posting. Any writer with any credibility writes for their audience, otherwise they wouldn't write, but it seems that many "writers' in here post without knowing who the readers (silient or posting) in here are,
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Re: Specific reading audience
Posted: Feb 4, 2018 2:48 PM   in response to: Duane Dingle in response to: Duane Dingle
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I am not sure why people are getting so upset. If you think some of your readers might prefer a paperback release a paperback. Problem (real or imagined) solved.
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Re: Specific reading audience
Posted: Feb 4, 2018 3:32 PM   in response to: Jack McEwan in response to: Jack McEwan
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LLoyd Christmas: "You know, the elderly, although slow, and dangerous behind the wheel, can serve a purpose. Don’t you go dying on me now."

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Duane Dingle

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Re: Specific reading audience
Posted: Feb 4, 2018 4:49 PM   in response to: booknookbiz in response to: booknookbiz
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Edited: Damn it! She pulled her reply. Sorry all, I would delete this post if I knew how. Since I don't, I'll delete its contents.

Nothing to see here -keep the line moving.

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Edited by: Duane Dingle on Feb 4, 2018 4:52 PM
Jack McEwan

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Re: Specific reading audience
Posted: Feb 4, 2018 9:36 PM   in response to: madtal in response to: madtal
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Thank you for your advice. I appreciate it.
Jack McEwan

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Re: Specific reading audience
Posted: Feb 4, 2018 10:10 PM   in response to: Duane Dingle in response to: Duane Dingle
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Thank you Duane. For everyone else, it was not my intention to think that older readers were not "physically" capable of holding and e-reader, or were not technically adept at downloading e-books. I was referring to the reading platform itself and whether people in my age group and slightly older still prefer a book over an e-reader. I prefer a book, but I am a bit old school. I like dog-earring the pages and making pencil notes in the margins and using a hi-lighter. I also like having my ipad nearby so that while I am reading a book, I can look up words and facts at the same time without switching back-and-forth. I read book reviews like everyone else and often hear people complain that the contents did not download properly onto the e-reader making the story un-enjoyable. I have an ipad, but I have only purchased about 6 e-books for the reasons I mentioned. I was just trying to find out how many others were like-minded like me. There was no intent to insult anyone. I have already written an e-book that is selling on Amazon that I wrote under a pen name. It is non-fiction. When I last checked I have sold 6 books in the last 13 days. Obviously far from being a best-seller. Now I am thinking of writing a fictional story which will be more lengthy and just wanted to get some advice. Thank you to all that gave me polite advice.
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Re: Specific reading audience
Posted: Feb 5, 2018 12:33 AM   in response to: Jack McEwan in response to: Jack McEwan
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My mom got a Kindle before I broke down and got one. I used to be pro paper, but the ereader is so much lighter and thinner no matter how many pages a story is. And now that I need glasses, enlarged fonts is nice. Also, I have far too many paper books and ran out of shelf space to store them. Don't have that problem with the Kindle.
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Re: Specific reading audience
Posted: Feb 5, 2018 9:10 AM   in response to: C. Gold in response to: C. Gold
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Thank you. This is exactly the type of input that I was looking for. I appreciate your comments.
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Re: Specific reading audience
Posted: Feb 6, 2018 4:53 AM   in response to: Jack McEwan in response to: Jack McEwan
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I don't tailor my eBooks to any particular age group. I try to make the stories interesting enough that anyone over 18 would relate to something in them. They probably reflect the lifestyles of people over 30, but I try not to make them age specific.

One can write a book that isn't necessarily aimed at particular age group. I mean, which age group was 1984 aimed at? Or Stranger In A Strange Land? Or anything by Ray Bradbury?

Their audiences probably were all over the map, demographics wise.
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Re: Specific reading audience
Posted: Feb 6, 2018 5:56 AM   in response to: Jack McEwan in response to: Jack McEwan
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I am 66 and I am reading "Sapiens - a Brief History of Humankind" at the moment and it is quite a tome. When I have finished this book I shall read the next, "Homo Deus A Brief History of Tomorrow." I am not insulted by your suggestion that older people have shorter attention spans than younger people but you might be making a false assumption. 2018 and 1952 are more than just 66 years apart. I have a 12-year-old son and he is way ahead of me when it comes to using tech in his daily life and I usually go to him for advice about it when I need it. Conversely, we 66 and over people are not the old faggots that our parents' generation sometimes were. (When I finish this post I am off with my mountain bike to trek in the local hills). Things have changed at both ends of the age spectrum! By the way, try not to get upset at some of the comments here - for your own sake. The forum can be a really rough and tumble place sometimes but most people (even the thorny ones) are usually out to help - despite appearances to the contrary. :-)

Edited by: wellhouse on Feb 6, 2018 6:01 AM

Edited by: wellhouse on Feb 6, 2018 6:03 AM

Edited by: wellhouse on Feb 6, 2018 6:05 AM
Jack McEwan

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Re: Specific reading audience
Posted: Feb 6, 2018 7:40 AM   in response to: wellhouse in response to: wellhouse
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Thank you for your feedback. These are the answers I was hoping for.
Jack McEwan

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Re: Specific reading audience
Posted: Feb 6, 2018 7:41 AM   in response to: chris in response to: chris
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Excellent point, thank you.
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