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robethpublishin...

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Re: Sales manipulation
Posted: May 5, 2012 9:21 PM   in response to: phildukephd in response to: phildukephd
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You have to remember, I have been writing for years. Many of my titles were already written, just not published.

But yes, I do write fast - thanks to a client I worked for, I can focus and write fairly quickly. But, it took hours of practice working for a client to do that.
martitalbott

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Re: Sales manipulation
Posted: May 5, 2012 9:22 PM   in response to: chadcampbell in response to: chadcampbell
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If you are convinced it will work, go for it. Let us know how it turns out.
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Re: Sales manipulation
Posted: May 5, 2012 9:28 PM   in response to: chadcampbell in response to: chadcampbell
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"No shit that readers will read good well written books. Any other stupid statements?"

Having read, unfortunately, more than a few of your posts, I don't think your prognosis as a writer, and perhaps even in life in general, is very good. Not at least without a major change in attitude.

But hey, what do I know? Other than how to have made a living as a novelist and nonfiction writer for the past half-century.
robethpublishin...

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Re: Sales manipulation
Posted: May 5, 2012 10:48 PM   in response to: chadcampbell in response to: chadcampbell
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You mentioned marketing being an important part of getting a book out there. Part of marketing includes a successful PR campaign.

I looked at your book, and I notice it is targeted to younger readers. Do you really want your image to come across so angry and hostile? While that persona might work with some genres, I’m not sure if it is the best one for yours.

You asked us what we thought, and when you didn’t like our responses, you became snotty.

This is not a private forum. What we write on the Internet doesn’t just disappear.
splinteredmind

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Re: Sales manipulation
Posted: May 5, 2012 11:15 PM   in response to: robethpublishin... in response to: robethpublishin...
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I imagine it is as effective as hiring people to give
you good fake reviews. It might give you a spike, but
in the long run, unless you really have a book people
want to read, you are wasting your time and money.

You want to know how to make money
self-publishing????

Stop playing games. Write good books. Create good
covers. Hire an editor. Have more than one book.

While I have been self-publishing for years, I didn't
start doing the ebook thing seriously until November
of 2011. I now have over 30 titles under my various
pen names and am making over $4,000 a month - not as
much as some, yet more than others.

I don't solicited reviews.
I don't do the fake reviews.
The pen name that is doing the best, I do not
promote, other than a blog that gets very little
traffic.

But I write just about every day, at least 8 hours a
day.

The plus, when I take a month off....I still make the
money. I took off March, to spend the time with our
daughter and granddaughter, who were visiting.

IMO those who approach this as a get rich scheme or
easy money will not be here for the long run.


That is great advice. Another problem with trying the scheming method is the chance you might get your account banned.
authormark

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Re: Sales manipulation
Posted: May 5, 2012 11:55 PM   in response to: chadcampbell in response to: chadcampbell
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200 a week would get you in the top 3,000 - 4,000

200 hundred a day would get you top 500.

Top 100 - about a thousand a day!

Top 10 - a few thousand a day.

Amazon sell lots of kindle books!!!
bronxvillage

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Re: Sales manipulation
Posted: May 6, 2012 3:37 AM   in response to: chadcampbell in response to: chadcampbell
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Last year I had a couple of months where I sold over 1700 books and was no where near the top 100. I have to agree with Traci on this one, you have to sell at least a thousand a week to be in the top 100

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reneestar

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Re: Sales manipulation
Posted: May 6, 2012 5:43 AM   in response to: bronxvillage in response to: bronxvillage
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Not exactly true....I think it depends on the day and of course, the genre. A couple of months ago I stayed in the Top 100 in 2 categories for almost 2 weeks. I would have to look back at my records, but one day I sold over 800 copies in one day and it dwindled every day after. This was after a one day Free Promotion and I will say my Free Promos after were not as good. But---let's say you could manipulate your sales for one day---first of all I don't know how in the heck you are going to get 200 people at the same time to buy a copy of your book...my own boyfriend has never even read mine...I know, time to get rid of him...(-: But--hey, you are going to have to keep your numbers up EVERY day and you can't manipulate that. You will drive yourself crazy and I know---that's easy to do. What everyone is telling you is pretty much right. Just relax and write another book and don't let all of this rule your life. IF you do and trust me I have been there---you will end up driving yourself insane. Focus your energy to something positive---like writing another book and eventually---you will probably get there. I also realize it is so hard to compete with the "Big Six" yes----they have deep pockets to advertise and when you don't WE have a real disadvantage. BUT...a few years ago there was no forum like this so I am grateful.

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thetimucuan

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Re: Sales manipulation
Posted: May 6, 2012 7:54 AM   in response to: chadcampbell in response to: chadcampbell
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During my best months, I sold over 3,000 copies a month. The best ranking I had was about #800 in overall ranking, and that was for maybe two hours. During that eight-month period, I generally ranked #2,000 to #3,500; it was pretty steady for a long time. Then came the freebies. As for my ranking under action and adventure, I have ranked there in the top 100 for months at a time, usually around #40 to #80, but sometimes as well as #20. More recently, after sales have dropped off a lot when the freebies started, two of my paperback versions have often ranked in the top 100 under some kind of three-for-two deal -- an obscure category that does not mean I’m selling 100 copies a day or anything near that. So, I would say the advice you’re getting here is pretty good, and there is no need to post anger and profanity.

Oh, and I have never promoted. I have yet to see any promotion method that is much more than spitting into the wind. My books are all over the Net because people who frequent certain sites like to give each other titles of books they read and liked, but I had nothing to do with that. I also have over 80 reviews/rankings on GoodReads, but I had nothing to do with that either. Satisfied readers are your best promotion.
thetimucuan

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Re: Sales manipulation
Posted: May 6, 2012 7:56 AM   in response to: reneestar in response to: reneestar
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Keep in mind that it is MUCH easier to rank in the top 100 under a certain label, like action and adventure, than the top 100 in overall ranking. Some categories allow you to rank in the top 100 while doing poorly, maybe ranking over all at 500,000.
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Re: Sales manipulation
Posted: May 7, 2012 9:07 AM   in response to: chadcampbell in response to: chadcampbell
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No response to our specific answers to your questions though? Many of us with pretty decent IQs have given you the answer to your question re will 200 sales in a week get you to the top 100.

ed because it's pretty pathetic to have a typo in my claim of having a decent IQ.

Traci

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tracihilton

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Re: Sales manipulation
Posted: May 7, 2012 9:21 AM   in response to: reneestar in response to: reneestar
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@reneestar: I was only referring to top 100 over all. : ) The genres differ wildly according to size and popularity. I've been in the top 100 in one of my genres for months on end because it only has 32 books listed, lol. I can't actually drop out of that one, no matter how few I sell. ; )
andykaiser3

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Re: Sales manipulation
Posted: May 7, 2012 9:29 AM   in response to: chadcampbell in response to: chadcampbell
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[i]>Do you know how deep you'd have to google to find these? Try it and see [/i]

Googling for [i]chadcampbell sales manipulation[/i] gives this thread as the first result. Not to mention that you're posting about gaming the Amazon system in a forum provided by and monitored by Amazon staffers. I'm assuming you've just been tagged.

/My IQ isn't something to brag about, but I still know how to present myself online. I also know that the way you treat others is how others will treat you.
//robethpublishingllc is someone worth listening to. Quality work and volume are key.
robethpublishin...

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Re: Sales manipulation
Posted: May 7, 2012 9:58 AM   in response to: andykaiser3 in response to: andykaiser3
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Thank you for your kind words.

He is young (according to his profile) - and with youth often comes rashness. Some lessons are one we have to learn the hard way.

As for me...I really need to get OFF the forum, and back to my current novel. Left it at page 50.......see ya!
dsotam

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Re: Sales manipulation
Posted: May 7, 2012 10:30 AM   in response to: chadcampbell in response to: chadcampbell
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1) write a book in a unique genre
2) be #1 seller with just 1 buy (yours)
3)???
4) profit
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