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Re: Erotica Writers - Word Count / Price Survey
Posted: Feb 8, 2018 11:53 AM   in response to: Cynthia E. Gould in response to: Cynthia E. Gould
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Seriously though, I wonder how people put out so many so fast. Redbull? Ritalin? Crack? Have I just been using coffee like a sucker?
They're writing full-time, typically. I could write a short every day (apart from the boredom factor) if I didn't have the day job/wife/kids/dog/cat making demands on my time :)
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Posted: Feb 8, 2018 2:05 PM   in response to: Cynthia E. Gould in response to: Cynthia E. Gould
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Cynthia E. Gould wrote:
The magical power of "sheer bloody-mindedness"!

Seriously though, I wonder how people put out so many so fast. Redbull? Ritalin? Crack? Have I just been using coffee like a sucker?


Last year, when I had a free schedule, I tried, and it was intense. One day, I wrote a 14,000 word story and published it the next day. All in all, it was within 24 hours since I started it and got it out. I also did two shorts in a day. But I jumped into things too quickly, and it wiped me out physically. I'm still trying to heal up from a series of health problems that were the result. Oh well.

I finally figured out that it was a muscular imbalance and inflexibility issue that resulted from too much sitting. So I have to stand a lot now, and that cuts into writing concentration a fair bit. :P
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Re: Erotica Writers - Word Count / Price Survey
Posted: Feb 8, 2018 4:14 PM   in response to: Morgan Carlson in response to: Morgan Carlson
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Have you tried dictation for rough drafts? Using that, I've hit 5,000 words a day.
14,000 in a day is crazytimes. Seriously impressed.
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Posted: Feb 8, 2018 6:19 PM   in response to: Cynthia E. Gould in response to: Cynthia E. Gould
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Cynthia E. Gould wrote:
Have you tried dictation for rough drafts? Using that, I've hit 5,000 words a day.
14,000 in a day is crazytimes. Seriously impressed.

I haven't, actually. I'm not much for speaking, since the words don't come as easily to me.

10k used to be my upper limit. I was possessed that day that I hit the 14k. I was sitting for most of the day though, it hurt me more than helped. :P A good day for me now is 5k - 6k. Busy days like today net only a few hundred.
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Posted: Feb 9, 2018 7:50 AM   in response to: Morgan Carlson in response to: Morgan Carlson
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I love that I can dictate while walking or stretching.

I can see where that much sitting would lock you up. Plus, we hunch forward while typing fast, because that "helps". ha.
Some days I've set a timer to ping every half hour so I'll stand up and stretch.
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Posted: Feb 9, 2018 11:45 AM   in response to: Cynthia E. Gould in response to: Cynthia E. Gould
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Okay, I said I was going to put out a story that was under 14k for $2.99, and though it was just page reads for the last two days, it did finally sell one. So at least the fish are biting.

It was around 11,500 words. I'm still going to put stories under 5k for 99 cents. If anything, they serve as a funnel to bring hesitant people in towards the bigger ones.

As for the stretching... I've gotten better at it since last year. Although that month and a half without being able to sit down really hurt my writing ability. My main trouble is to stay hydrated. I forget to drink, because I don't get thirsty anymore. That gave me problems before the sitting problem. My writing debut last year was greatly interrupted by a lot of little things. :P
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Posted: Feb 9, 2018 1:51 PM   in response to: Morgan Carlson in response to: Morgan Carlson
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I always say, Life is a Messy Place.

Water is super important - throw a squish of lime juice in there to make it interesting. Then you can stretch on your way to the washroom every hour. haha
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Posted: Feb 9, 2018 8:37 PM   in response to: Cynthia E. Gould in response to: Cynthia E. Gould
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It seemed that when I got to the 25-30 range my sales definitely began to pick up. I just released #50. I also stopped offering my work on KDP Select after I had 25 shorts out there. The page turns on my early stuff are still strong and this seems to have helped build a following that followed into the non KDP select material. Unit sales are definitely niche specific for my work. All my shorts are 0.99 but I did release a novella (65k words) at 3.49 and it has done well in the two weeks it's been out. With the net on the 0.99 shorts it's all about quantity. The way it's going I would think I need to have 250-300+ stories available shorts/novellas/novels to see enough of a return to make this a full time thing.
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Posted: Feb 9, 2018 9:37 PM   in response to: Christopher Arm... in response to: Christopher Arm...
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The 25 - 30 range... you mean 25,000 words? That's a 99 cent short? Or did you mean pages?
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Posted: Feb 10, 2018 5:18 AM   in response to: Cynthia E. Gould in response to: Cynthia E. Gould
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The problem with turning out shorts on a daily basis -- as has been mentioned in this thread -- is I think the quality of writing and story is going to drop. It's not a hard and fast rule that it has to be that way, but chances are higher that something will be overlooked during the writing/editing process.

The most I've done is two 40 page ebooks in a week (maybe 50K words total), but I did not release them during that time period. I know it can be done, but when I went back and read them a third or fourth time I saw changes that needed to be made in the storyline.

I'd rather know that what I put out there has the best quality possible, regardless of genre or length.
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Posted: Feb 10, 2018 5:45 AM   in response to: chris in response to: chris
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chris wrote:
The problem with turning out shorts on a daily basis -- as has been mentioned in this thread -- is I think the quality of writing and story is going to drop. It's not a hard and fast rule that it has to be that way, but chances are higher that something will be overlooked during the writing/editing process.

The most I've done is two 40 page ebooks in a week (maybe 50K words total), but I did not release them during that time period. I know it can be done, but when I went back and read them a third or fourth time I saw changes that needed to be made in the storyline.

I'd rather know that what I put out there has the best quality possible, regardless of genre or length.


Certainly, the quality does indeed drop. I ran into that last year, where I felt that my quality of story was trending on lame and generic as ideas were stretched out. Now, I don't push myself to finish something if I'm not feeling a flow. Instead, I'll go back and edit what I have, or make a cover, or work on something else. As a result, I have lots of partially completed stories and their covers just sitting around in my work folder, collecting pixelated dust. Aside from not getting them done, I have trouble working on another immediately after publishing one. I'm a little wary of burning out like I did before.

Still, if the top tier is churning them out and getting vastly higher, it's necessary to either write a superior product to attract attention, or become better at writing on hot days, and editing/publishing on days we're not. Otherwise, we'll get buried and left behind. It's a difficult thing, one way or another.
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Posted: Feb 10, 2018 6:04 AM   in response to: Cynthia E. Gould in response to: Cynthia E. Gould
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I meant to say once i had 25-30 shorts available. Most of mine are in the 8k-12k range for 0.99.
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Posted: Feb 10, 2018 8:26 AM   in response to: Morgan Carlson in response to: Morgan Carlson
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Morgan Carlson wrote:
Still, if the top tier is churning them out and getting vastly higher, it's necessary to either write a superior product to attract attention, or become better at writing on hot days, and editing/publishing on days we're not. Otherwise, we'll get buried and left behind. It's a difficult thing, one way or another.
That sums it up pretty well.

That said, many of the top erotica authors that I know have moved on to long-form romance. That's my eventual goal, but given the limited amount of time I have these days, shorts fit my schedule much better.
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Posted: Feb 10, 2018 8:51 AM   in response to: Christopher Arm... in response to: Christopher Arm...
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thanks. sorry, just reread that and it made perfect sense. I was falling asleep at the keyboard again.
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Posted: Feb 10, 2018 4:24 PM   in response to: writerbn in response to: writerbn
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writerbn wrote:
Morgan Carlson wrote:
Still, if the top tier is churning them out and getting vastly higher, it's necessary to either write a superior product to attract attention, or become better at writing on hot days, and editing/publishing on days we're not. Otherwise, we'll get buried and left behind. It's a difficult thing, one way or another.
That sums it up pretty well.

That said, many of the top erotica authors that I know have moved on to long-form romance. That's my eventual goal, but given the limited amount of time I have these days, shorts fit my schedule much better.


I have wanted to try romance since that seems to be more attractive to the general reader, but I don't have the patience in me for something that involved. I'm still working my way up. Although I do have one romance story I set up years ago, it involves a lot of sci-fi and fighting (power struggles). Still, the main characters are thrown together and gradually get closer as time moves forward.

Since my track record with romance is a tragic ending, I'm not so good at getting to the happy end everyone expects!
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