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siciliangal

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Amazon Third Party Book Sales
Posted: Feb 6, 2018 6:57 PM
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Moshe Ben-Or

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Posted: Feb 6, 2018 10:50 PM   in response to: siciliangal in response to: siciliangal
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Completely irrelevant to 99% of indies. In the past couple of years, I might have sold four paper books. Paper is going the way of the dodo.
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Posted: Feb 6, 2018 11:03 PM   in response to: siciliangal in response to: siciliangal
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Basically this comes down to how one defines the meaning of the word 'new'. Not that anyone will bother, but attempting to sort that out in a court of law will keep lots of lawyers in summer cabins for years.

Second, the by-line is that authors are being ripped off by the publishing and book-selling businesses... So, what's new?
Etienne

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Posted: Feb 8, 2018 11:26 AM   in response to: siciliangal in response to: siciliangal
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And finally, a number of review copies are sent out free to media outlets. They are not supposed to be sold. Some book sellers apparently have standing arrangements with magazine conglomerates and television networks to bulk purchase all the review copies they receive, which they could presumably then sell on Amazon.

Like many things in the NY Times, the above statement quoted from the article is inaccurate. My partner and I used to generate good cash flow, selling used books on Amazon and half a dozen other sites. At peak, we were shipping 100 books a day. Unfortunately, it all came to a screeching halt when Amazon began allowing third party sellers to sell books for $0.01.

Rant over, now to the point. ARCs (advance reading copies) and Uncorrected Proofs are not allowed to be sold on Amazon. A dealer may try, but will get into serious trouble with Amazon if they're caught.
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Posted: Feb 8, 2018 1:18 PM   in response to: Moshe Ben-Or in response to: Moshe Ben-Or
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Paper is going the way of the dodo.

Hardly. Print editions hugely outsell digital.

Digital is throwaway, the equivalent of the Dime Novels of the late 19th / early 20th centuries. In the rare instance where I read a really good ebook, I am always sorry I didn't get it in print -- ideally in hardcover -- so I could put it on the shelf, even though I have now reached a point where I discard a book for every one I add.

As to the hilarious matter of reviewers selling review copies, was that really in the NYT? I somehow doubt that the NYT reclaims the books it hands out to reviewers, to prevent them from reselling them.

In Boston, near Newspaper Row (Globe, Post, Record-America) there was a bookstore that specialized in selling new books that had been wholesaled to them by the book review staff (much larger then than now). Indeed, small city dailies generally figured that the payment for a book review was the book itself, which the reviewer could keep or sell.

I often sell review copies on Amazon, which is actually doing more to discourage the practice than anyone else. As is its policy with all its experiments, it has raised the fee it charges to about fifty percent, making this side venture much less alluring than it used to be.

(Don't trust KDP to publish a print edition. Don't trust CreateSpace to publish an ebook. Each does one thing well and the other thing poorly.)

Good luck! -- NJ

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Moshe Ben-Or

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Posted: Feb 8, 2018 1:27 PM   in response to: Notjohn in response to: Notjohn
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In the rare instance where I read a really good ebook, I am always sorry I didn't get it in print -- ideally in hardcover -- so I could put it on the shelf, even though I have now reached a point where I discard a book for every one I add.

With the exception of religious books that cannot be accessed in electronic form on the Sabbath, I see no reason to bother. Why would I want to kill trees and clutter up my home, when I can put the entire world's literary output for the century in my pocket on a smartphone? My sons will find it even more bizarre, when they are my age. They will never remember a time before the Internet of Things.

Paper is the vellum of the XXI-st century. The story will end the same way it ended when vellum competed with paper in the XV-th. The process will take some time, but it will be much faster than previously. Smart paper is coming. Once it's here, nobody will bother killing trees to write down books, any more than we, mostly, bother killing sheep to write down books today.
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Posted: Feb 8, 2018 4:00 PM   in response to: Moshe Ben-Or in response to: Moshe Ben-Or
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The dodo bird.
Mary Peebels

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Posted: Feb 8, 2018 4:47 PM   in response to: C. E.. Schermer in response to: C. E.. Schermer
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C. E.. Schermer wrote:

The dodo bird.

Well everybody's heard about the bird...
resteasy

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Posted: Feb 8, 2018 5:01 PM   in response to: Mary Peebels in response to: Mary Peebels
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Mary Peebels wrote:
C. E.. Schermer wrote:

The dodo bird.

Well everybody's heard about the bird...

Went the same way as the great oozlum bird.

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Posted: Feb 8, 2018 10:45 PM   in response to: Moshe Ben-Or in response to: Moshe Ben-Or
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With the exception of religious books that cannot be accessed in electronic form on the Sabbath

Is this for real? Seriously? The more I hear about this religion business, the wackier it sounds.

Why would I want to kill trees and clutter up my home

I agree, the killing trees bit is bad, but the answer is that books can be beautiful objects in themselves, appealing to the senses in ways that an e-reader never will. I have some lovely books about trees, for example.
Donna St Felix

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Posted: Feb 9, 2018 1:18 AM   in response to: Moshe Ben-Or in response to: Moshe Ben-Or
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Moshe Ben-Or wrote:
Why would I want to kill trees and clutter up my home

Trees are grown for such a purpose. They are not randomly gathered.
It's no different from the chickens you consume.
Moshe Ben-Or

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Posted: Feb 9, 2018 9:21 AM   in response to: Donna St Felix in response to: Donna St Felix
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Donna St Felix wrote:
Moshe Ben-Or wrote:
Why would I want to kill trees and clutter up my home

Trees are grown for such a purpose. They are not randomly gathered.
It's no different from the chickens you consume.


And if they are not needed for this purpose, they will be grown for other purposes. Wood pulp, lumber and cellulose have many uses. Forests are a valuable carbon sink, not to mention excellent places for hunting, fishing, hiking, camping, etc.

We no longer grow sheep to make vellum. We still grow sheep. Killing trees is a handy figure of speech. It's not my point.
Moshe Ben-Or

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Posted: Feb 9, 2018 9:35 AM   in response to: the_peartree in response to: the_peartree
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Is this for real? Seriously? The more I hear about this religion business, the wackier it sounds.

Society requires rules. Whether or not the rules of a given society appeal to you is irrelevant. Doubly so when you spout the bigoted and chauvinistic approach of willy-nilly applying the rules of your home civilization to the civilization of people who are more alien from you than any fictional little green man from Mars, despite whatever outward similarity in biology might mislead you otherwise. Triply so when you ignorantly fail to comprehend that an entire parallel civilization utterly different from your own may exist no farther than a short tube ride away from your London flat.

In the specific set of rules that define my home civilization, personal entertainment electronics, in all forms, violate the peace of the Sabbath, and are rightfully banned. The fact that you find your ipod relaxing is irrelevant. It is still a violation of the peace and its use is still indecent and immoral. The holy day is for interaction with human beings, the setting aside of daily concerns and contemplation of the Higher. It is not there for you to be buried in your favorite gadget, the way you are the other six days of the week.

While you are at it, I suggest you google the term "social religion," and read carefully. Your so-called "unbelief" is as much a religion as any other. Religions do not require gods.

I agree, the killing trees bit is bad, but the answer is that books can be beautiful objects in themselves, appealing to the senses in ways that an e-reader never will. I have some lovely books about trees, for example.

And that is one of the many reasons why there will still exist the occasional paper book. There are still books written by scribes on vellum. I happen to listen to one such book being read, every single Sabbath day.
C. Gold

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Re: Amazon Third Party Book Sales
Posted: Feb 9, 2018 1:56 PM   in response to: the_peartree in response to: the_peartree
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I still remember attending a Jewish service where they walked around the room with the torah (their sacred texts) and I thought it was very beautiful and potent. I still remember that to this day. Somehow I don't see religions giving up their sacred texts to plop their iPAD on the pulpit or carry around some ebook for people to touch.

Stuff written on paper back in the old days before mass printing was designed to be beautiful. Witness the calligraphy done in hardbound books of old with the beautiful first letters vs our current simplistic drop caps. I love ebooks, don't get me wrong, but a well crafted physical paper based book will always feel special to me.
siciliangal

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Posted: Feb 9, 2018 6:52 PM   in response to: Notjohn in response to: Notjohn
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Right from the NY Times website, an op ed by Douglas Preston, OCT. 12, 2017
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