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kelpollard

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Posted: May 9, 2012 2:04 PM   in response to: achcrivens in response to: achcrivens
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I had a one star review like that. The reader was
complaining about the editing, punctuation, and
grammar.
and then we reached a
deal for him to edit my book.

This makes me wonder.... I've always been confused by the fact that most (maybe even all) of the bad reviews that I've read on the books of Amazon indie authors, seem to come from people with writing backgrounds, and how most of them turn out to be "editors."

But then again I'm a conspiracy theorist.....
sharidale

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Posted: May 9, 2012 2:09 PM   in response to: thetimucuan in response to: thetimucuan
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I agree that five stars should be given only to the
best stories, but many readers like a book so much
they cannot refrain from giving five stars, knowing
that the novel is not comparable to a classic (many
classics have a low star average anyway).

Several of my all-time favorite books are about as far from classics as apples are to onions. They grabbed me from page one and kept me reading every spare minute until finished. Those I've reviewed got 5 stars along with "Couldn't put it down!" Ratings shouldn't be about comparison; they should be about entertainment value to YOU.

I couldn't give a fig about comparing a book to a classic. The whole concept of holding every new book up to some ancient standard is stuffy. Just as some men like hot, skinny blondes and others like fat bottomed girls, some prefer cougars while others prefer teeny boppers, beauty is in the eye :-)
sharidale

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Posted: May 9, 2012 2:16 PM   in response to: kelpollard in response to: kelpollard
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This makes me wonder.... I've always been confused by
the fact that most (maybe even all) of the bad
reviews that I've read on the books of Amazon indie
authors, seem to come from people with writing
backgrounds, and how most of them turn out to be
"editors." But then again I'm a conspiracy theorist.....

Wow, man... I have NEVER looked at it like that. You might be onto something! A friend of mine who used to be in the business read my stinky review and the first words out of her mouth were, "That's an editor!" She recognized the wording and said that she had seen markups like that from editors on their very worst days when they were suffering from PMS, with a killer headache, after just getting dumped. We need a Jesse Ventura to expose the truth!
achcrivens

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Posted: May 9, 2012 2:20 PM   in response to: kelpollard in response to: kelpollard
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No, he was being honest, and all the things he said had merit. There were several problems with the book, all of which I had already been made aware of, and I was looking for someone to edit the book when I got the review. He seemed to know what he was talking about, he pointed out in great detail what was wrong with the book, but he never criticized me personally, or promoted any other books. These are two trends I've noticed in reviews that seem to come from trolls, other authors, or publisher company cronies.
sharidale

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Posted: May 9, 2012 3:43 PM   in response to: achcrivens in response to: achcrivens
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No, he was being honest, and all the things he said
had merit. There were several problems with the book,
all of which I had already been made aware of, and I
was looking for someone to edit the book when I got
the review. He seemed to know what he was talking
about, he pointed out in great detail what was wrong
with the book...

I agree that the majority of Indies have room for improvement. We're all at different stages of the journey. Some are awful and shouldn't be publishing without an editor. Some are close to perfect having honed their skills in various ways prior to turning Indie. Most are somewhere in between.

So what methods can Indies use to improve their quality? At the top end you'd hire an editor. At the bottom end you'd rely solely on the Review feature in MS Word.

I truly believe that nothing beats having other people go over your work. I have seen Indie's publish some pretty awful books. I've also paid $40 for an Indie book based on reading his stories online, and wanting to give those stories as a gift. It was so worth it when the recipient called me up and said that he and his wife LOVED the book. I'm not sure why that Indie charged so much but it really was the perfect gift.
achcrivens

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Posted: May 9, 2012 3:57 PM   in response to: sharidale in response to: sharidale
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I've actually learned a lot from his editing. My writing has improved since he edited my first book, so much so that he complimented me when I sent him my second book, which he is now editing. It would be nice to be able to simply write without errors, but I don't believe this is possible, and now firmly believe that you need someone to edit your work, no matter how accomplished a writer you might be.
sherlane

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Posted: May 10, 2012 5:36 PM   in response to: reuben88 in response to: reuben88
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"Sue" dropped by my time travel historical romance page yesterday and did some damage with a 1-star. Rude Crude. If only readers will notice she cut and pasted several other comments from reviews, it would be quickly dismissed. Since it's at the bottom following a 5-star, perhaps it will be missed. Ratings sure took a dive. Sales improved some today. It's difficult not to reply by saying "Wow, thanks so much, plus your social graces stink." However, I've sold over 1,700 copies with few returns, so I'll just cool it.
aussiewriter23

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Posted: May 10, 2012 6:07 PM   in response to: sherlane in response to: sherlane
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I read the review, 'Sue' sounds like she might be a sock-puppet of a competing author in your genre.

She has one other review to her name, an all-caps five star review on another celtic timetravel story. She complains about typos in your book, yet her own review has a pretty obvious typo present.

I haven't read your book, however going on gut-feeling about the review, I down voted it.

p.s. There really are some miserable people out there.
19k54

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Posted: May 10, 2012 7:01 PM   in response to: sherlane in response to: sherlane
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I down voted it, too. I can clearly see what this is about. I only hope the reads can, too.
vlgallas

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Posted: May 10, 2012 8:38 PM   in response to: sherlane in response to: sherlane
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I also downvoted her review. You do not strike me as a writer that publishes a book as she claims in this sentence: "The book is filled with typos, grammatical errors and lacks a decent story line."

Her only other review is a raving ALL CAPS 5-star of a book with a similar theme. Your book also sells better than the other one (currently over 200K).

Call me suspicious... ;)
hotelalphabet

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Posted: May 11, 2012 1:42 AM   in response to: reuben88 in response to: reuben88
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Lots of interesting comments here - I have posted this elsewhere but I repeat perhaps the fair thing to do would be to dedicate some of our precious time to reading and reviewing one another's books.

I am not advocating an exchange of puff reviews but given that authors should want to improve, given that we understand views are always subjective, and we know how much hard work goes into a book whatever the outcome... why not review one another's books and be genuine?

There's nothing wrong with a one star review if it comes from an honest place and if it's written in a helpful way. Write the kind of review you'd like to get (not a five star this was excellent but what was good or not good about it)
thetimucuan

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Posted: May 11, 2012 2:24 AM   in response to: sharidale in response to: sharidale
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I agree that five stars should be given only to
the
best stories, but many readers like a book so much
they cannot refrain from giving five stars,
knowing
that the novel is not comparable to a classic
(many
classics have a low star average anyway).

Several of my all-time favorite books are about as
far from classics as apples are to onions. They
grabbed me from page one and kept me reading every
spare minute until finished. Those I've reviewed got
5 stars along with "Couldn't put it down!" Ratings
shouldn't be about comparison; they should be about
entertainment value to YOU.

I couldn't give a fig about comparing a book to a
classic. The whole concept of holding every new book
up to some ancient standard is stuffy. Just as some
men like hot, skinny blondes and others like fat
bottomed girls, some prefer cougars while others
prefer teeny boppers, beauty is in the eye :-)


The point is, it diminishes the value of the five-star rating if it's handed out too often and not awarded only to the very best stories. It's like the Medal of Honor during the Civil War; it was handed out like candy back then. Now it means something because it is awarded rarely. A four-star rating would be used a lot more for great stories that are not good enough to get the top rating.

As I posted, many readers cannot refrain from giving five stars to a book they really like, but some hold the top rating back for only the exceptional stories, and there are a few readers who almost never give five stars, some NEVER give more than four stars, considering the top rating to signify perfection. I was not meaning that novels should be compared to the classics.
mlouring

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Posted: May 11, 2012 3:41 AM   in response to: thetimucuan in response to: thetimucuan
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I'm one of those who don't give out 5-stars easily :) I might have enjoyed a book and can't point out anything to improve, but if it doesn't REALLY grip me and stays in my mind for a long time afterwards, it will still only get a 4-star.

I need to think like that when I receive reviews as well, because I always think something must be wrong if I get a 4-star, but that is normally not the case when I write reviews myself. A bit of a hypocrite, right?
sharidale

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Posted: May 11, 2012 7:59 AM   in response to: thetimucuan in response to: thetimucuan
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and there are a few readers who almost never give
five stars, some NEVER give more than four stars,
considering the top rating to signify perfection. I
was not meaning that novels should be compared to the
classics.

This reminds me of a review I got for two stars with no explanation. She was a genuine reader, not a competitor or troll, so her review meant something.

I looked at her other reviews and discovered that her average review rating was 2.9 covering 381 books. She rarely rated anything over 3 stars. Among her 3 star ratings were Memoirs of a Geisha, Call of the Wild, Joy Luck Club, Gone With the Wind, Diary of Anne Frank, Color Purple, Forrest Gump, Catcher in the Rye, War and Peace, and a host of others.

A book entitled Misery garnered 4 stars, and How to Kill a Rock Star topped them all with 5 stars.

I discovered that for this reviewer, I was on equal footing with several very popular books including one book in my genre that normally ranks way up there. While her rating did hurt my overall rank, knowing where I stood in regards to her other ratings completely erased the sting :-)

(I should have called it a rating, as she didn't actually leave a review. Apologies!)
sharidale

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Posted: May 11, 2012 8:08 AM   in response to: mlouring in response to: mlouring
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I'm one of those who don't give out 5-stars easily :)
I might have enjoyed a book and can't point out
anything to improve, but if it doesn't REALLY grip me
and stays in my mind for a long time afterwards, it
will still only get a 4-star.

If I were rating/reviewing 20 years ago, the ratings would be all over the board. I was reading a LOT of books back then, some which I loved and others which I hated. I'd find a book that gripped me in a genre, and then go buy every other book I could find that was similar in the hopes of another gripping tale.

My time is very limited now so I don't read as much as I once did. I am also more discriminating in choosing books. I can usually tell by the blurb and Look Inside whether a book is going to do it for me. I am rarely wrong.

For that reason, I end up giving a lot of high ratings. I know that dilutes the ratings if people look at my overall average, but it isn't because I love everything. I've just gotten good at picking my winners :-)
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