There seems to be a lot of confusion about these things lately. A simple click on the community forum rules quotes what is allowed and what is not allowed on the forum.
Hope this helps clear some things up.
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Not for nothing (not sure what that actually means, but it comes to mind), but you and I have similar views on self-promotion and spamming.
Our initial encounter was a mistake, in a way. I just viewed the self-promo, tagging, review exchange etc... threads as contained over here in the "Voice..." forum. I rarely came here - only when I wanted to discuss a particular book or find the author. So, I hardly noticed the self-promo here and it didn't bother me at all. I'd just stop by when I wanted to. It's like another world or a bazaar at times, sort of like MOA over on .com.
Not many authors intruded on other forums here in KDP with self-promotion threads; not really. Our resident spammer almost always chose General Questions for her threads and rarely ventured over here. She didn't want to be one table at a huge bazaar. She refused to be stopped or contained. Now, as a result of her actions and reactions, self-promo will be extremely limited in ALL KDP forums.
Well Thom, if we are to go by the wording of that email response, a big shake-up is in our future.
One thing about Denisscar... he/she doesn't include outside links or self-promo book links or say anything except for that one badly formed sentence. I have easily just passed the Denisscar threads by. Not the same as the other one... She lured unsuspecting authors and the new authors around here were really beginning to believe, respect, and love her just because she'd say something about their book on that new website. The constant stressing of "FREE slot..." stated to me that she absolutely intended to charge $s in the near future. This is not the place to promote that crap and she should have just found new and unsuspecting authors elsewhere. She has a little group formed, but that group does indeed include a couple of oldies too.
Are you really a writer? I doubt it. I think you are just here to cause trouble.
You sound a lot like a member of that crowd on the main Kindle forum, who insists everyone follow the exact letter of the law. Do this, don't do this, and if you don't do what I want, I will REPORT you.
Are you really a writer? I doubt it. I think you are
just here to cause trouble.
You sound a lot like a member of that crowd on the
main Kindle forum, who insists everyone follow the
exact letter of the law. Do this, don't do this, and
if you don't do what I want, I will REPORT you.
Good grief, don't you have anything to do?
WHAT? Did you even read my post? All I did was copy and paste KDP rules for the community. There were several threads the past couple of days by newbies who did ask could they post about tagging or reviews, etc. So I just posted the KDP rules for them to see.
Yesterday you slammed me for not helping newbies and today I get clobbered for trying to help them. Seems I can't win with you...Who's the trouble-maker? Your post was the only threatening one in this entire thread.
And yes, I AM an author and a syndicated columnist, if you must know. Would you like my editor's phone number over at Huffington Post for verification? GEEESH!
I remember when someone else wanted to be in charge.
Sad to see what this forum has become.
Posted: Mar 7, 2012 8:54 PM
I want the old forum back where people were helpful and nice to each other. I don't know what happened here, but a lot of the most helpful people are gone and I miss them.
We talked about books, sales, publishing, editing and formatting, not all that other useless junk you can find on a thousand generic forums. I suppose complaining won't put it back the way it was, but it sure was nice while it lasted.
Yep I am outed LOL. I'm the Chef Anne with the Cooking with Chef Anne column for Huff/Po and I also own a restaurant and write books. I guess some people don't understand that if you know how to schedule your time properly, you can actually have time to do many things.
Also, he/she was under the impression these were my rules LOL. I hope he understands now that they are the KDP forum rules...but I guess he never took the time to read them.
These rules were copied from the KDP Community forum rules. You can click on them at the top of any forum and read them yourself.
Some people in here are accusing me of trying to boss people around. All I did was copy them right from KDP. If trying to obey the rules of the forum means bossing people around, then I guess I need a new dictionary!
It's meeting people like you, Vicki, Lins and some of the others that make these forums worthwhile. If we have to listen to some old meanies trying to read things into our posts that aren't there, then that's their problem, not ours.
I hope that these forums can go back to what I hear they once were. Not all is lost though. Yesterday daysoldier was looking for a great tag line for his blurb and I gave him a suggestion that he loved and asked to use it. I told him I'd be honored.
So we are still helping one another and working together in this wonderful business of writing. The "naysayers" as my mother used to call them, will quietly go their way in time and these forums will once again become a place for helpful, productive people to gather.
I wasn't even aware of the Huff Post column. I found the books and the restaurant just to make sure you were not a ghost after that first encounter...
Well, Marti is here often so she certainly has no room to speak on that anyway. She also doesn't like rules when they relate to self-promo. We knew each other over on Amazon Kindle forum in a past life... not exactly in a friendly way, as you might have imagined.
Ok, "meanie" is off my list of name calling. I had to really search to come up with that one as I was trying to be nice about it, but really even a word as mild as "meanie' has no place here.
We all need to cool it. I was just so surprised that she would call me out for just putting up the rules KDP has set for us all. What's so wrong about that...can somebody please tell me?
I meant it in a helpful way for newbies and also as a refresher course for some of us who may have forgotten or never gotten around to reading them. But I guess even good intentions can be misread in the world of cyber space when there is no face or voice behind those words.
I wasn't even aware of the Huff Post column. I found
the books and the restaurant just to make sure you
were not a ghost after that first encounter...
Well, Marti is here often so she certainly has no
room to speak on that anyway. She also doesn't like
rules when they relate to self-promo. We knew each
other over on Amazon Kindle forum in a past life...
not exactly in a friendly way, as you might have
No ghost here. I just never promote my books in these threads, so it's understandable how you might have thought I was a ghostly presence here.
Sorry if I came off preachy. It is just that we never really know what is going on at the other side of monitor.
I understand your frustration, considering the recent drama and that person went beyond just spamming, but did some scamming.
Personally, I hate to see rigid rules, and would prefer we self monitor the forums - and I don't really have an issue with an occasional promotion from a fellow member. I like to see what everyone is doing.
Once some Law student with nothing to do, stood at the Bay Area Rapid Transit (BART) and asked people to sign a petition. The petition was a downloaded copy of the Bill of Rights. Very few people signed it.
Some people are ready to jump at you when they see a reason. However in your case she obviously wanted to jump so bad, that she did not do her research.
You are really going to have your hands full over there come August (RNC). I rarely venture to your area... It's a completely different world from Orlando. Tampa has Redner and we get Disney. I'm sort of surprised they didn't hold RNC in Orlando, but then again...
Once some Law student with nothing to do, stood at
the Bay Area Rapid Transit (BART) and asked people to
sign a petition. The petition was a downloaded copy
of the Bill of Rights. Very few people signed it.
WOW! Small world. Give me a hint to let me know who you are. You know how we know all our customers by name. If you need your Deli Diva "fix" remember, we close for the deadly hot months of July and August, so time is running out!
Seriously, stop in and see us before we close for the season.
I've broken a few rules myself. Mostly the part about not putting in emails. I met with a few authors that I wanted to exchange manuscripts or cover photos. Kind of hard to do on a public forum.
What Marti had the guts to say out loud is what I was thinking right up front but too chicken to say.
You're welcome here. So is everyone else with their foibles and follies and penchants for twisting, bending, and breaking the rules (but not the copyright one...none of us will sit by kindly for that one )
I'm sorry if this hurts your feelings. It's not intended to. I just don't want the alternative opinion to go unspoken.
I guess it's the post itself that bothers me a little. Like I said, I'm a chicken and don't want to start an argument or ruffle feathers, but at the same time, I just have always had the feeling that of all places,[i] this[/i] was the forum where people cared enough about each other that we would let the little things slide.
Every one of us who have posted a large number, if we were to honestly go back and look, would have broken one of those rules.
I see nothing wrong with posting the rules. Most newbies don't take the time to read them and have to be told before they become valuable contributors. I was one of those, and I never read the rules until someone like you posted them directly into the forum. It's far more bloodless around here to post the rules occasionally, helping us all thereby. Even us "oldtimers" need a review every now and again.
Also, note that when one runs out of real ammunition, the next thing to grab and lob at the other side is an insult. So, when someone attacks you it just makes them look desperate.
I think you're doing a great job, Marti. I find your comments are usually invaluable.
I agree jeanette, I think most of us have made those mistakes early on, especially when new, and posts like the OP's can be scary even if not intentionally so. I guess they just come across as a bit bossy , being devoid of kind words to go with them..
Oh dear, guilty as charged, M'lad. I've posted my email address on here a few times...
They say ignorance is bliss, but it's not is it? Perfect end to the perfect week
I do wish that we had a PM system, though. That would make contacting fellow KDP's easier.
Also if someone could clarify a point that has been mentioned on another post: reviewing other authors work; I've reviewed a few peeps here but would hate it for them to 'get told off' by KDP. I only give good reviews (If I don't like the work, i won't review). I can't find where it says anything about reviewing other authors work. Any pointers, guys Thanks!
Thanks - trouble is I have reviewed in my own genre, I think, but I can't understand why i shouldn't appreciate a fellow authors work. Understandable if I put up a 1* but hey, I'll go with the flow, now.
Good to know you're back to your heavy breathing...oops, deep breathing
Wow - you actually close during July and August? I have actually never encountered a business in the US that does this, though it used to be almost a common practice in much of Europe for a couple of weeks to a month anyway.
I believe I have reviewed a couple of books that would be considered the same genre that I have books in, but same as lins777, I only review a book if I really like it. So all of my reviews are 5-star anyway.
I think you are correct and the rule was created to prevent attacks on any competing works. There was a situation on Amazon UK in which a couple of history professors (?) were ripping competing works apart with reviews a while back.
Every one of us who have posted a large number, if we
were to honestly go back and look, would have broken
one of those rules.
Jean, I don't think anne was trying to say we have to have a perfect forum here. I think we all like the relaxed nature of this forum in regards to rules.
However, when anne posted the rules, the front page was pretty much dominated by "share tags" and 'post your book" threads. That's not just an unintentional rule break... that makes the forum look like something it isn't.
When I first came to this forum, I made the mistake of posting in some of those "post your book" threads because I really thought it was more of an "introduce yourself and your book to the forum" kind of thing. I wish someone like anne had made a post like that back then because I honestly assumed I'd read the forum rules wrong when I came here... based on the sheer amount of promotional threads I saw.
Breaking the occasional rule in an unobtrusive way is one thing, but when a page is full of nothing but those kinds of posts, a new person gets the wrong idea about what this forum is for. When it gets that commonplace, I think it's good for someone like anne to post a reminder like this, just as an FYI to new people.
My forums (how I make my living, BTW - certainly not through writing ) are easily hundreds of times larger than these. Yes we get spammers - gone instantly. Flamers get a warning - three and you get a 3 day vacation. Other rule breaks - warning system applies.
How much do I pay mods to do this? NADA. ZILCH. People mod because they happen to love the community (10 years old this year.)
How do I find mods? They have to have posted for a certain amount of time, for starters. Then, those posts should be on-topic, or if not - funny! Of course they should be good at calming situations threatening to blow (hey, I have political forums, too. Debate no less.)
Could Amazon do this? Oh hell yes (though I don't know if this current board software permits mods at all, much deletion by someone who isn't the OP.) Wouldn't cost Amazon a dime. (I do give yearly bonuses, depending on how we did that year. Amazon doesn't even need to do that - or could run a special promo for a mod's book, I dunno.)
You're going to find a lot of crap in unmoderated forums, period. Make all the rules you like - unless you have QUALIFIED enforcers, what good will it do?
I read that longggg list of rules. It's ridiculous. Make a SHORT list - something people will actually read. Make them read it before registering for the forums - we sure do. Rule 1: no flaming another poster. Period. Having little knowledge of this kind of forum, I don't have any other ideas about rules. No pimping your own wares? I dunno. A forum just FOR pimping your own wares might work.
If Amazon ever reads these damn posts - get moderators, guys. It's easily done, it's free, and it will enhance your forums bigtime. It's that simple.
Mind you, 10 years now. Growing every year. I attribute it to the mods, the faithful users, the board software (really chosen by users, and my tech dude who modifies that board so much that it's won awards from the UBB people!
NO reason Amazon shouldn't have forums that work like that. They have a good user base from what I see - more and more join every day. Hello, they could put ads and make money! WE sure as hell do. (We have Premium accounts - 12 bucks a year - you see no ads, can ignore folks, and other goodies.)
It -all- rides on the moderators. ALL of it. Mine have been with me for years: last one I brought on was 3 years ago.
Amazon should start a thread "Who would make a good mod?" You couldn't suggest yourself, of course. Then change this awful software - (allow sigs! pics under poster's names, threaded views...) turn the mods loose - and let us enjoy these forums like it sounds like you used to.
The .com part was just me being lazy - it's Amazon.com forums, and the Kindle forum to be specific. Sock puppets are used in various ways, but on .com forums they were often used by authors to start threads about their own books, for example:
The thread title:
[i]I read Sock Puppetery 1 by Mary Moo and loved it![/i]
[i]I came across Mary Moo on this forum and her books looked so interesting that I had to buy book 1 in the new series. Sock Puppetry 1 link has to be the best book I've ever read. I can't wait till she finishes Sock Puppetry 2. Your fans await you Mary. You are such a skilled author that I can easily compare your writing to Stephen King.
I think it is still on sale too. What a deal![/i]
And often there's a review to match. This strategy was also used by said sock puppet to post a link to Mary Moo's book on many other threads. Such strategies were also often used with starting threads about the "best books I read in June" and they'd throw Mary's book link in with a few others.
Honestly, I am about to begin a new major project (today) and have no time to blog, except as related to the project. Feel free to post my post. No attribution necessary. If you do attribute to me, please quote exactly (copy/paste). Otherwise it doesn't matter. If I made a typo and missed it, please correct...
Anne - sadly we live a bit further south than you to be regulars
We visited about a year ago on our trip to Orlando and Miami and came in twice. We had your pastrami sandwiches which rivaled the ones we've had in NYC. My daughter was very taken with the colorful decor. Your place and the European Bakery in Naples stood out for us because of the good food and the nice owners
We'll probably return to your neck of the woods sometime in the fall and if so, I'll introduce myself.
Found another perfect post for the page! Anne, mind if I quote your top post? While I'm at it, would like to add you to the list (have seen you be quite helpful.) Where would you fit? Or should I start a new category, Authors?