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tracihilton

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Building your tribe
Posted: Jun 27, 2012 8:26 PM
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familiar with this concept? Develop an online network of supportive peeps...community...whatever. Entertain them and engage them and in the long run you will be the next Seth Goden.

Bosh.

I swear. I try this kind of stuff and I get a bunch of critics!

I am posting cover ideas on my facebook page...entertaining the "fans" (probably all other writers) with "the process" and I get a bunch of comments on how sucky they all are.

Really?

I swear there are people in the world who lie in wait to shoot me down online.

sigh

What was I expecting? I don't know...you'd think I would expect criticism as it is the norm. But I guess I was expected those sweet nothings like 'Interesting" and people clicking like buttons to aknowledge that they have seen it.

Ah well, as I tell myself a million times a day...live and learn.

I'll have to think of some other way to share my "process" and experience that doesn't make me so grumpy.

Traci
theseashell

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Re: Building your tribe
Posted: Jun 27, 2012 8:38 PM   in response to: tracihilton in response to: tracihilton
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Traci...

I think the main thing is that your "tribe" is "online."

When I was still on Facebook, I'd invite all my "friends" to my bookstore book signings... and NO ONE would show up.

Yet, I'd get tons of invitations to attend their events.

As I've learned... it's often all about the personal connection you create in person. As one record executive told me: "Be great in person... blow them away with your live performances."

It's the Field of Dreams... if you build it, they will come.

Set your example in person... follow up diligently... be consistent... know when to give it a rest... as silences make the music flow.

We can only do so much online.... the real deal is what we hear, see, taste, touch, and feel... in person.

My two cents...
Brian Shell
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tracihilton

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Re: Building your tribe
Posted: Jun 27, 2012 8:42 PM   in response to: theseashell in response to: theseashell
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The "tribe" concept is about online interactions...that other stuff is actual relationships. At least in my opinion.

In all honestly, nothing sells books like writing books and all the rest of this "stuff" (online social marketing stuff, I mean) is time not spent wisely.

But as you have 21 books out there I imagine you feel similarly.

My #5 (if you count the shorts and the omnibus each as a book) will be available next week.

Traci
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Re: Building your tribe
Posted: Jun 27, 2012 8:49 PM   in response to: tracihilton in response to: tracihilton
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I understand your frustration, Traci.
Inevitably there will always be a handful of people that will take the opportunity to put you and your work down.
Why? I have no idea. Possibly, they are having a bad day and want to share their misery.

Unfortunately, bad news spreads fast than good. So goes reviews.

Try to shrug it off and keep writing. (I know easier said than done)

Hang in there! :)
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Re: Building your tribe
Posted: Jun 27, 2012 8:55 PM   in response to: tracihilton in response to: tracihilton
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Haha, at least they respond to you. Usually even my family ignore me. On my facebook page I even posted a poll once and not one of my 335 likes responded. Never mind ...!

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Re: Building your tribe
Posted: Jun 27, 2012 8:57 PM   in response to: tracihilton in response to: tracihilton
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I feel for ya Traci...

Online interactions and an internet presence do eventually have a trickle-down effect.... yet, sometimes it rains and pours... sometimes it feels like a drought.

My drum teacher's nickname is "Ocean"... so I told him: "Well I guess that makes me 'the Trickle'."

He shot back: "At least you're not 'the Desert' bro!"

I think the thing to remember is that it all adds up... as sometimes, the online stuff helps us be better in person. Yet, don't discount the power of viral online media either... case in point: Justin Beiber.

He took the time to create a powerful and consistent online presence.

Perhaps we all have more things to learn before we pass through that "tipping point" of more people knowing about us than less.

Blessings,
Brian shell
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Posted: Jun 27, 2012 9:07 PM   in response to: theseashell in response to: theseashell
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Amen to that Brian. I can't help but agree.

And thanks for the sympathy, friends. : ) I know it's not big deal...its just annoying.

Traci
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Posted: Jun 27, 2012 9:15 PM   in response to: tracihilton in response to: tracihilton
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On the other hand Traci... once our anonymity is gone... it's gone.

As "The Eagles" say: "Welcome to the Hotel California... you can check in... but you can never leave."

How do you think JK Rowling felt then... and how she feels now?

Food for thought...
Brian
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Posted: Jun 27, 2012 9:32 PM   in response to: theseashell in response to: theseashell
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I would bet there are less than 5 writers in the world who would get recognized on the street. Rowling, King...one or two others,

In her book Knit Together Debbie Macomber said she went to a knitters weekend but didn't want people to know she was the Debbie Macomber, perennial best seller always on the end cap at all of the grocery stores, every book hits the NY Times best sellers list Debbie Macomber, so she didn't tell them. One lady recognized her name and said, "Hey! There's a writer named Debbie Macomber!" and Debbie said, "I've heard that before." With a smile. No one knew at all.

So...you know. I don't hope to be anymore well known than Debbie Macomber. ; )

One fun thing happened recently though...I got invited two write for a new blog called, "Cozy Mystery Magazine" and the traditionally published author who runs it said, "Welcome to the site! I've heard of your series and was so glad to learn you are a Christian!"

Anyway, that made my week.

Traci
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Re: Building your tribe
Posted: Jun 27, 2012 9:43 PM   in response to: tracihilton in response to: tracihilton
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Hay, I post my book's on facebook, nobody says a word. So I shared a writers erotica book 'You know just to see if anyone was looking.' Wow did I get it from all sides, they seen that mostly naked lady on the cover. But I did get 10 likes. LOL

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Re: Building your tribe
Posted: Jun 28, 2012 12:31 AM   in response to: tracihilton in response to: tracihilton
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Online networking is a fickle thing. I think as The Author you cannot afford to show indecision. Think about it, authors that are published through the houses don't ask for feedback on their covers etc (usually because they have no control over them, I know). Instead present sneak peeks, snippets, previews - make the tribe feel privileged. Even if you're not sure yourself, if you have built a little supportive tribe they'll be excited to see the new cover ahead of time, and it won't cross their mind not to like it (unless it's reeeeeeallly bad).
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Posted: Jun 28, 2012 8:21 AM   in response to: diamondlifestyle in response to: diamondlifestyle
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Yeah...I hope I realize that this was "the last straw" on inviting people to the middle stages of the process.

But I"ll say this: I have shared finished products without any "process" sharing as well and I got criticism for my efforts.

I think Saxon has it, in the long run. Just write more books.

Traci
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Re: Building your tribe
Posted: Jun 28, 2012 8:34 AM   in response to: tracihilton in response to: tracihilton
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Thanks.

I really needed to read this thread this morning. I try to be involved with people, and when they ask, I try to participate, even doing it on here...but the reciprocation part isn't flying as much as the hype.

Keep on plugging away. Eventually they will come. Good luck to you!
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Re: Building your tribe
Posted: Jun 28, 2012 9:52 AM   in response to: tracihilton in response to: tracihilton
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I starting writing a children's novel series under my own name and found it a little difficult to lose my anonymity. I write my novels for adults under a pen name, partly for the privacy and partly to protect the innocent who end up as part of a character! I recently started a blog under my pen name (about a month ago) and find to my surprise that so far I am enjoying it.

I think it is important to be post reasonably frequently, maybe once a week at least. If I come across a blog with no post for several months, I wonder if the person lost interest.

I haven't had any comments but what I like about the blog I use (blogger) is that you can see how many people have gone to your blog so at least you know people are visiting.

I'm not on facebook or twitter but that's just my personal preference.
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Re: Building your tribe
Posted: Jun 28, 2012 10:53 AM   in response to: tracihilton in response to: tracihilton
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That's no good Traci! I'm sorry you have had a bad experience online sharing your writing. I would never do that to another writer.

I have a FB page that I use for writing as well. I don't get a TON of feedback, but it's always positive, otherwise, why post?! It's mostly just a way for me to reach out and share what I'm doing with people I already know, and some that may have been referred by friends. :)

I'll share my page with you - will you share mine? I'll go on there and click 'Like' on what I LOVE and I'm sure I can find creative ways to tell people off for shooting you down. LMAO

The 'downers' can be exceptionally good motivation. Plus, the ones you really hate - you can torture in future stories. ;)~

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