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jennifersimone

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Re: Using Images found on Google
Posted: Jul 4, 2012 10:12 PM   in response to: divorcedoctor in response to: divorcedoctor
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Thanks divorcedoctor. Here's the image I want to use.....
divorcedoctor

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Re: Using Images found on Google
Posted: Jul 4, 2012 10:47 PM   in response to: jennifersimone in response to: jennifersimone
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with actual people you also run into the Privacy Act so best to steer clear unless it is a photo you take of a friend etc.

but here is what I would look at doing.

crop to aspect ratio actually you should start with much bigger image so I resized up which is really a no no

flip it to put them off trail

apply an AKVIS oil wash

choice of toppings title with extra cheese

all very arty IMHO - and I am sure judge would agree
jennifersimone

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Re: Using Images found on Google
Posted: Jul 4, 2012 10:55 PM   in response to: divorcedoctor in response to: divorcedoctor
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Wow and I can use that then? The blue part that was cropped out is where I planned to put the title and byline. But I can work with this. Thank you.
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Re: Using Images found on Google
Posted: Jul 5, 2012 12:17 AM   in response to: jennifersimone in response to: jennifersimone
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Wow and I can use that then? The blue part that was
cropped out is where I planned to put the title and
byline. But I can work with this. Thank you.

I did it as an example and yes you should be "safe" doing similar treatment to ANOTHER image.

this one has now got a "use-by-date" of TODAY because you have alerted the owner but moreso this forum has some very very nasty people that are out to get you and me me especially now the cat is out of the bag.

you can see they even "reverse trace" images like Bounty Hunters of Old West to dob you in.

so use as an example of how to modify or we do the lot for $39.95 see below

here is one I did for a similar book where I used clip-art from Creative Commons, which is safer than photos.

it is very hard to convey depression in a cover

coversareus
lisemarie23

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Re: Using Images found on Google
Posted: Jul 5, 2012 4:37 AM   in response to: jennifersimone in response to: jennifersimone
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A few bucks??? I don't consider $180 for 120 credits
"a few bucks". Sorry. And I am VERY tough, thank you
very much. My book on emotional abuse? In it, I
describe literally fighting back with my ex. I'm 5'3"
and he's 6'5"....I fought back because I couldn't
take it. I also won awards for my writing! I am VERY
tough. So please stop patronizing me. Thanks A LOT
for your help. I will not be coming to these boards
anymore. Thanks.

Hiya again,

Don't waste your time and effort defending yourself from those who 'feel the need' to try and belittle you. Their comments tend to highlight their own shortfalls, something they may not realise ;)
You will find a lot on these boards that will help you as you go. If the answers are not here then most will help you to find them.

Use everything you possibly can on these boards to your advantage.
Good luck

:)
michaelraytaylor

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Re: Using Images found on Google
Posted: Jul 5, 2012 8:18 AM   in response to: jennifersimone in response to: jennifersimone
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Jennifer, sorry that some of the old hands around here tend to jump down your throat whenever someone asks the same newbie question they have heard a thousand times before. But even if delivered in a nasty manner, the answer is correct: you cannot use google images without written permission of the copyright owner, and it is sometimes hard to tell who that is.

However, you can get free or very cheap ($10 or so) images that are perfectly usable. I advise college publications, so I deal with this problem from students who want to snag photos online every semester (and as teacher of a media law class, I know you can't do this for publication). I will give you the same answer I always give them: the best way to insure you have all rights to a photo is to take it yourself, or to find a local photographer willing to take photos for you, either for a mention in the book, or for a small fee. If you use someone else, make sure you have a signed, written contract for any photos you use.

The second best option for free images is creative commons:
http://creativecommons.org/
This is an organization holding content that the creators have agreed to share, often for attribution only, which offers somes means of legal protection to end user if it turns out the creator does not hold copyright (that is, they stole someone else's image and claimed it as their own before posting). Read the license info carefully (not all images would be available free for your book), but I know many who have used images from this source successfully for books, magazines, etc.. You can search creative commons images on flickr at

http://www.flickr.com/creativecommons/

Or browse popular tags at

http://www.flickr.com/creativecommons/by-2.0/tags/

Hope this helps. With your financial situation, you certainly don't want to wind up with a threat of lawsuit for an image you found on google--and such lawsuits happen all the time.
michaelraytaylor

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Re: Using Images found on Google
Posted: Jul 5, 2012 8:31 AM   in response to: michaelraytaylor in response to: michaelraytaylor
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One thing I forgot to add: as mentioned above, if you are looking for photos of people, you need a model release for any recognizable people in a published photo, because they have privacy rights to their own image. If you or a photographer you know take the photos, this is no problem--you can find standard model releases online. But this can be a problem with flickr images, unless the flickr photographer agrees to provide you with a model release (acutally signed by the model). One of things you are paying for with a stock agency is knowledge that the agency got model releases and assumes responsibility for any privacy claims.

It's easy to see why this can be important: Say I get a great photo of a coworker rubbing her temples with a migraine, and I decide to put it on the cover of my new book, The Face of Depression. Suddenly her mother is calling offering help, and her new boyfriend decides to keep his distance. She didn't sign up to be "the face of depression," ans she would have a very easy time suing me for appropriation of her image or likeness.

To summarize, make sure you have these two things before you publish:

1) signed permission from the photograph copyright holder.

2) signed permission from any recognizable people in the photo.

Good luck.

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jennifersimone

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Re: Using Images found on Google
Posted: Jul 5, 2012 12:35 PM   in response to: michaelraytaylor in response to: michaelraytaylor
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Thank you very kindly, LiseMarie and Michael. You both have been helpful. So I guess it boils down to if I want a person in the picture, I can have my fiance take a pic of me and I'll use myself. LOL. Otherwise, I'll look for a generic photo on creative commons. I kinda like their stuff, from what I can see. It's just that Istockphotos are a bit expensive for me right now. I have many many monetary obligations right now and can't pay for stock photos like that at this time. So....to avoid any potential lawsuits, I think I'll stick with general pics without people for now (unless I use my own face lol). I do appreciate divorce guy's help.....I just don't know that using that pic would keep me out of trouble. Ya know?

And I do realize that some of y'all that have been on these boards a while keep seeing the same questions by newbies. I did read the "newbies start here" and scrolled through pages of responses, etc. I couldn't find an answer, so I posted my own thread.

I will pass along all this new info to my fiance, who also wants to self-publish some amazing short stories. Thanks y'all!
jennifersimone

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Re: Using Images found on Google
Posted: Jul 5, 2012 12:48 PM   in response to: michaelraytaylor in response to: michaelraytaylor
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Oh, another question: these free pics on Creative Commons.....do I have to credit the photographer? I'm guessing yes. Like "Cover photo courtesty of so-and-so from Flickr Creative Commons" or something like that. Right?
michaelraytaylor

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Re: Using Images found on Google
Posted: Jul 5, 2012 2:45 PM   in response to: jennifersimone in response to: jennifersimone
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I try to contact the photographer directly through their flickr account, explain how I want to use the photo, and ask how they would like to be credited. But generally, it's about like you describe, listed on your copyright page.
lisemarie23

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Re: Using Images found on Google
Posted: Jul 5, 2012 2:57 PM   in response to: jennifersimone in response to: jennifersimone
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I may have a picture you could adapt. It is my own lol so you wouldn't have to worry. It has the sadness within the eyes that maybe something you could work with, I might be able to also help you with that - could be worth a try. If you'd like just create an email address to receive it and post it on here, you can delete the email address after I send it to you - if it is something you could work with then we can play around with it a little. I am in the UK so the times I get on here differ to yours hence I didn't respond again yesterday.
I will pop in and out until about 12 tonight just incase.
:)
rushweig

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Re: Using Images found on Google
Posted: Jul 5, 2012 3:02 PM   in response to: jennifersimone in response to: jennifersimone
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Asking is fine, wikicommons is also a site that is all public domain images, meaning you can use them without worry!
staceytayloraz

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Re: Using Images found on Google
Posted: Jul 5, 2012 3:05 PM   in response to: jennifersimone in response to: jennifersimone
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Flickr creative commons has some great images available. You will have to hunt for them but great stuff.

On those stock image sites, a couple of them let you download X images free during the trial. I did that and got 50 images over the course of the week I figured I could use, then canceled the trial.

They can be hard to find but there are actual free sources out there. You can always use portions of images, cropping things out, etc. and coming up with something else.
jennifersimone

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Re: Using Images found on Google
Posted: Jul 5, 2012 4:23 PM   in response to: staceytayloraz in response to: staceytayloraz
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@Michael...thanks. Flikr lists wording in their license page.
@Lisemarie.....I could. But what about posting the image here, like I did at the top of page 3? If you're not ok with that, it's ok.
@Stacey.....thanks! I can look into seeing if Istockphoto has a free trial! LOL. :)
lisemarie23

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Re: Using Images found on Google
Posted: Jul 5, 2012 4:32 PM   in response to: jennifersimone in response to: jennifersimone
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Hiya,
If I post it on here then it is available to be taken in its 'raw' form if you know what I mean.
Not that I'd know how to put it up on here anyway hahaha that is something you could teach me :)

Not to worry just trying to think of ways to help without cost.
Did you get anywhere with the original you messaged?
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