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therrimouse

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Need some input about this cover.
Posted: Aug 23, 2012 1:30 PM
 
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I'm working on keeping my cover images simple. The old image had flames behind it and it looked really busy. I opted for a plain dark background with a light title. Do you think this would sell?

I should note this particular title has had several incarnations of covers, none of which I was satisfied with. I am border of the fence with this one.
missquiss

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Re: Need some input about this cover.
Posted: Aug 23, 2012 2:11 PM   in response to: therrimouse in response to: therrimouse
 
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The title might be difficult to make out in a thumbnail image.

You're right that flames behind this would look too busy.

However, the the first thing that came to mind when I saw the image was Brad Pitt and Cruise duking it out in Interview with the Vampire, only with swords :)
Clever, if that's what you're aiming for. Not so much if this book isn't heading that way.
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Re: Need some input about this cover.
Posted: Aug 23, 2012 2:23 PM   in response to: therrimouse in response to: therrimouse
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I'd redo the top of the Title so as to make it pre-eminent.

Make the 2'nd line consistent with the third line - font wise.

Take the two swordmasters feet off of the cover.

The color overall is good.

Lower your authors name just a smidge.

And contingent upon category, if it's in the sci-fi fantasy genre, ok.

Otherwise, if well written, I'de use real people instead of animated.

Conceptually - spot on - slight polish required.

If it's your first cover.

You are talented.

If the story is sound, you can always update if ready to publish.

As always.

ME.
therrimouse

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Re: Need some input about this cover.
Posted: Aug 23, 2012 2:34 PM   in response to: missquiss in response to: missquiss
 
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Eh, they are father and son. Perhaps I should have added the description for this one:

Children of The Dragon book 9. The sequel to Written In Blood, this book continues the saga of Alexander Corvina and Lucien Arkanon as they travel through Germania to France. The year is 1648. Alex and his father save the French ambassador to Bohemia from an ambush on the road. Worse, the ambassador is being pursued by a mysterious cadre of men who cannot speak, suggesting that there is a plot afoot against the crown. When they reach Paris they seek the protection of the crown only to find themselves mired in conspiracy and intrigue. The young king Louis XIV, besieged by the ambitions of his uncle the Duc d'Orleans, enlists Alexander's help and gives him a position as an instructor in the art of the sword. Lucien is given the command of the racing stables at Rouen, where he finally finds a measure of peace. Over time, they become invaluable to Louis in their own way, and serve the kings of France honorably for almost a century. But there is growing discontent in the countryside, and by 1789 it is dangerous to be mistaken for aristo. Alexander and Lucien must find a way to escape the sharp taste of Madame la Guillotine before it is too late.

The original design was suggestive of fools fighting in a burning house, which France was. Also, they're not fighting each other, but unseen enemies.
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Re: Need some input about this cover.
Posted: Aug 23, 2012 2:40 PM   in response to: mike4128 in response to: mike4128
 
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Not my first cover, nor will it be my last.

I thought the top was too bare. Also of eliminating feet. Also, that's my style, I can't change it, and I will not use stock photos. They are not animations. Besides, they're my characters and costume designs. What you see is also backlit, so anything you see of bright colors are likely to be darker in print.

Thanks for the input.
therrimouse

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Re: Need some input about this cover.
Posted: Aug 23, 2012 3:28 PM   in response to: therrimouse in response to: therrimouse
 
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Okay. I came up with another one, which is composed like all my others. I was bored and wanted to change something around, but still did not like it. On discussion, the background was too dark to print so I went bright.
1001nightspress

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Re: Need some input about this cover.
Posted: Aug 23, 2012 3:33 PM   in response to: therrimouse in response to: therrimouse
 
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Is the "t" of "the" capitalized? Hard for me to tell with that font (which I do like, though). If it is capped, it shouldn't be. If it isn't, then never mind!
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Posted: Aug 23, 2012 5:40 PM   in response to: 1001nightspress in response to: 1001nightspress
 
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So what if it is capped?[i] The[/i] Dragon's Blood is part of the title. There is no room for anything else. It is tight as can be because it is going to print, too. Otherwise I should maybe chuck the guys and just make it one big title.
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Posted: Aug 23, 2012 6:05 PM   in response to: therrimouse in response to: therrimouse
 
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Generally in titles, the content words are capped--nouns, verbs, adjectives, adverbs. Function words are not--articles, prepositions, etc. It's just convention. A lower-case t should take up less room than an upper case one. But it's entirely your call.
therrimouse

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Re: Need some input about this cover.
Posted: Aug 23, 2012 6:30 PM   in response to: 1001nightspress in response to: 1001nightspress
 
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The final version. I moved some stuff around a little without sacrificing anything else. I have been futzing with this far longer than a year, and I'm happy with it now. Thanks.
missquiss

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Re: Need some input about this cover.
Posted: Aug 23, 2012 6:31 PM   in response to: therrimouse in response to: therrimouse
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I like the new cover's composition better, but I like the red background more than the purple.

I'm also a little thrown by the fact that "of" is not capitalized but "the" is. I do realize that it's part of the branding of the story and readers may not even notice.
therrimouse

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Re: Need some input about this cover.
Posted: Aug 23, 2012 7:25 PM   in response to: missquiss in response to: missquiss
 
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Well, as it happens I'm not happy again, so I'm scrapping it altogether and starting over. There is no point in trying to use what I've got. This is the problem with working in Photoshop instead of taking a painting and just doing it over. I have more control with acrylics and pencil than I have with Photoshop, which does the minimum in terms of cleanup.

I liked the red background, too, but I think I will take that to canvas.
livingmydream

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Re: Need some input about this cover.
Posted: Aug 24, 2012 5:07 AM   in response to: therrimouse in response to: therrimouse
 
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One thing I find highly disturbing is the fact the swords look like Japanese Samurai swords when you're dealing with a 1600's European conflict.

Take a look at this picture on Fotolia for something I'd love for your book description..http://au.fotolia.com/id/35584420
therrimouse

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Re: Need some input about this cover.
Posted: Aug 24, 2012 12:39 PM   in response to: livingmydream in response to: livingmydream
 
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About the swords. Sorry, but the historical context is that the sword on the left was bestowed to Alexander by Musashi, who trained him; and the sword on the right was forged by Lucien himself. Alexander had been to Japan when the Tokugawa Shogunate expelled all Europeans. You have to read[b] Written In Blood[/b] about that.

Written In Blood: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004Y5OZ7Q
rogbaker

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Re: Need some input about this cover.
Posted: Aug 28, 2012 6:09 PM   in response to: therrimouse in response to: therrimouse
 
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I like the cover and the historical cosutmes. One thing though is that their faces seem to suggest they might be vampires.
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