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lmmoore

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I edited my book and my page number fell 58 pages! I removed a comma!
Posted: May 8, 2013 6:42 PM
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I originally published my book 04/07/13 it said 263 print pages on Kindle and Amazon. Even though, on my computer it was 336. I chalked it up to font. Then I edited my TOC page, I removed ONE comma and my pages dropped from 263 to 208! OMG. Does this mean if i edit it again it's gonna keep dropping? What is up with this? I have reuploaded it and reuploaded it and even changed where I saved it, the font, the type of doc and no change....This is upsetting.....I would like to keep editing, but what if drops the page count to 25! When the book is 67000 words! My blood pressure is going up!
cdalebrittain

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Re: I edited my book and my page number fell 58 pages! I removed a comma!
Posted: May 8, 2013 7:07 PM   in response to: lmmoore in response to: lmmoore
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Actually I would have said 208 pages was about right for 67k words. My guess is that the bots miscalculated originally and then, when you edited and it went back "into review," they had another stab at it. So stop fiddling! There's nothing wrong with 208 pages. Based on your word count, that's probably where it will stay. (Changing the font may cause problems on some ereaders, so go back to Times or Times New Roman.)
Ed Augusts

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Re: I edited my book and my page number fell 58 pages! I removed a comma!
Posted: May 8, 2013 8:27 PM   in response to: lmmoore in response to: lmmoore
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A comma did all that damage? Wow! So, re-edit it and add rows of asterisks inbetween sections. If the word count runs into the millions, you'll know that's the reason!

I'm curious. what's your page size, 6"x9", or some other size? And what size font did you use? 11? 12? 13 point? Just wondering about the word count on either the greater or lesser number of pages.

I agree that 200 pages is quite sufficient. It was pointed out on the forum a few days ago that in the 1940's, the '50's and through the early sixties, the word count of paperback novels was most often 30 to 40 thousand in much of genre fiction.

Anybody remember Harlequin romance paperbacks? And those were just 20 to 30 years ago. How about Ballantine sci-fi? Ace? Signet? Dell? etc. Hardly a "War and Peace" out there, then! "The Red Pony" and "The Old Man and The Sea" were tyoical. "Animal Farm", "Catcher in the Rye" were mercifully short. Anyone recall Erskine Caldwell's novels? "God's Little Acre"? What was that, about 120 pages in paperback?

So! Digital can be ANY length. But with shorter attention spans I predict future novels will be shorter.
Charles O'Donnell

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Re: I edited my book and my page number fell 58 pages! I removed a comma!
Posted: May 9, 2013 4:49 AM   in response to: lmmoore in response to: lmmoore
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I have a theory that a high page count is a drawback for an unknown author. The cost of the book is a combination of the dollar amount and the time it takes to read it. If the author is not of known quality the cost of a big book is more than some are willing to pay, regardless of what it costs. The drop in page count may be good news for you.

If your name is George R. R. Martin or Stephen King this does not apply, of course.

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notjohn

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Re: I edited my book and my page number fell 58 pages! I removed a comma!
Posted: May 9, 2013 5:26 AM   in response to: lmmoore in response to: lmmoore
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As others have suggested, the error almost certainly was in the original. JT uses 250/280 words per page, as I recall, and that is a bit of an exageration. In a print edition, you might get 400-450 words to a page, so 200 pp equals 80,000 or 90,000 words.

The only downside is that your Look Inside and free sample are likely to get a bit smaller.
lmmoore

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Re: I edited my book and my page number fell 58 pages! I removed a comma!
Posted: May 9, 2013 5:56 AM   in response to: Ed Augusts in response to: Ed Augusts
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my page size is 8 by 11 when i print it, 1.5 spacing, 12 pt times roman new font, but you what, they fixed it! I emailed them and they fixed it...I'm shocked and happy! Yes, I remember how short novels used to be back in the day. Something to think about. Thanks Ed
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Re: I edited my book and my page number fell 58 pages! I removed a comma!
Posted: May 9, 2013 6:21 AM   in response to: notjohn in response to: notjohn
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My CS print edition ran more like 250 words per page.
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Posted: May 9, 2013 6:32 AM   in response to: Ed Augusts in response to: Ed Augusts
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I agree Ed. It is a gifted author indeed who can maintain a readers interest at a high level in anything over 150/200 pages. Most seem to think a novel needs to be 300+ pages these days to be considered a serious effort. Not so! Many of these over-long offerings are "puffed up" to the point of detracting from the story line rather than taking it forward. These days, I find myself skipping through interminable sections of fluff in these longer novels just to maintain the momentum of the story. ...And then there is Pillars of the Earth at 1000 pages - I found it riveting for about 200 pages, and then even the great Ken Follet lost his way. I did finish it, but more as a task I had set myself than for pure enjoyment. I too see the shorter novel coming back.

There are, of course, those who may cite such as Michener and even McMurtry both of whom could hold forth in a most magnificent manner in truly epic works (when they were on their game.) but they were indeed masters and not to be equated with us ordinary mortals. imho
jakayima batista

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Re: I edited my book and my page number fell 58 pages! I removed a comma!
Posted: Jan 3, 2014 11:09 AM   in response to: Ron Chappell in response to: Ron Chappell
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