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bobperrett

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Title length (including subtitle)
Posted: Oct 7, 2013 11:29 AM
 
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Hi. Does anyone know what the limit for characters in the title is for Kindle. I think in CreateSpace it's 200, but I had a feeling I'd read somewhere it's only 120 for Kindle. I'd quite like to use 123 (including spaces for my next venture).

Thanks.
Notjohn

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Posted: Oct 7, 2013 12:30 PM   in response to: bobperrett in response to: bobperrett
 
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Well, give it a try and see how it works. Good luck! -- NJ

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Re: Title length (including subtitle)
Posted: Oct 7, 2013 12:42 PM   in response to: Notjohn in response to: Notjohn
 
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notjohn's title in his post is roughly 100 characters (I got lost counting them). Speaking as a reader, a title twice that long would not immediately catch my attention. Of course, if there is a very good reason why your title needs to be that long, and if the reason was obvious to me, the length wouldn't matter. The longest title I can think of is The Persecution and Assassination of Jean-Paul Marat as Performed by the Inmates of the Asylum of Charenton Under the Direction of the Marquis de Sade and it's the perfect title for that play.

L. L. Thrasher

Edited by: thrasherll on Oct 7, 2013 4:38 PM
bobperrett

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Re: Title length (including subtitle)
Posted: Oct 7, 2013 2:03 PM   in response to: bobperrett in response to: bobperrett
 
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Thanks.

It does look like 123 is OK (at least when created as a "dummy" record). I tend to wait until I've done the print book via CS then export everything (except the internal file of course), so I just had a slight worry over unexpected last-minute surprises!
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Re: Title length (including subtitle)
Posted: Oct 8, 2013 2:52 AM   in response to: thrasherll in response to: thrasherll
 
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a title twice that long would not immediately catch my attention

There's a difference between a title and a sub-title. The title appears on the cover of a book, the sub-title (in the case of an e-book sold only online) does not. My title is five words.

The sub-title exists to contain words that will bring the book to the attention of browsers on Amazon.com. Mine is eleven words.

Here are some current best-sellers The Reason I Jump: The Inner Voice of a Thirteen-Year-Old Boy with Autism. The Gifts of Imperfection: Let Go of Who You Think You're Supposed to Be and Embrace Who You Are. I Am Malala: The Girl Who Stood Up for Education and Was Shot by the Taliban. Daring Greatly: How the Courage to Be Vulnerable Transforms the Way We Live, Love, Parent, and Lead.

(All print editions BTW.)

That last one is a model of its kind: a two-word title, a fifteen-word sub-title! And it contains the challenge words Daring, Courage, Vulnerable, Transform, Live, Love, Parent, Lead!

In short, I think titles and sub-titles are very important. Happily, I almost always know what they are before I start writing the book.

Good luck! -- NJ

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bobperrett

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Re: Title length (including subtitle)
Posted: Oct 8, 2013 10:50 AM   in response to: Notjohn in response to: Notjohn
 
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Thanks NJ. You are of course right - my "title" is 4 words and the subtitle 18 (unless I play with it - I'm thinking this time next year to publish as I only get 10 hours a week for writing what with the day job etc etc) :)
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Posted: Oct 8, 2013 11:51 AM   in response to: Notjohn in response to: Notjohn
 
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Sorry, I shouldn't have used your title/subtitle as an example of a title. It was just right there, so handy, and I didn't stop to think that it didn't really pertain to my comments.

L.L. Thrasher
Emily DiVittorio

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Re: Title length (including subtitle)
Posted: Oct 8, 2013 5:09 PM   in response to: bobperrett in response to: bobperrett
 
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Smashwords did a study that said the optimum length for a title is 4 words. Ebooks with longer titles did not sell as well.

http://blog.smashwords.com/2013/05/new-smashwords-survey-helps-authors.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Smashwords+%28Smashwords%29
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Re: Title length (including subtitle)
Posted: Oct 8, 2013 11:26 PM   in response to: Emily DiVittorio in response to: Emily DiVittorio
 
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Thanks for your thoughts. I'm actually one of those strange people who does a print book then converts to Kindle, so as long as the title + subtitle combined being 123 characters is OK I'll roll with it :)
Notjohn

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Posted: Oct 9, 2013 10:14 AM   in response to: bobperrett in response to: bobperrett
 
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Number 5800 in Kindle right now is a book I happen to be reading:

Hanns and Rudolf: The True Story of the German Jew Who Tracked Down and Caught the Kommandant of Auschwitz

That's 107 characters!

Good luck! -- NJ

The book: Notjohn's Guide to Kindle Publishing: Ten Steps to Selling Your E-book on Amazon (Or Anywhere Else) (Third Edition)

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