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steven brockwell

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Is it worth writing another book.
Posted: Feb 8, 2014 7:47 AM
 
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I have been a self publisher for nearly two years now and all I am seeing is sales just going down hill. Even though I have over 4 books on here, it's starting to seem a waste of time and effort. I mean last month I picked up 3 dollars??? Wow. Where as before I would pick up at least 2 or 3 hundred a month. Is self publishing coming to its end????
LaNayia

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Re: Is it worth writing another book.
Posted: Feb 8, 2014 5:50 PM   in response to: steven brockwell in response to: steven brockwell
 
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:-) My first story sold great in month one $$$ but then the next month was an extremely sharp decline. I probably only sold about 15% of the amount I sold month one. The third month only about 5%.

I'm hoping that by putting the book on sale for a couple days that profits will climb again. I think that it is just a tough road. Either do it because you love telling a story and enjoy having just a little bit of side money. Or push harder and release a book every 2-3 months in order to keep your name on the list of new releases. If your book is good then people will go back and buy your other stories.

I'm told that most people make next to nothing publishing their books. So personally I just feel lucky that people liked my writing enough to email me compliments.
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Re: Is it worth writing another book.
Posted: Feb 9, 2014 2:23 AM   in response to: steven brockwell in response to: steven brockwell
 
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What you have to understand is that even the biggest authors publish tons of books. Steven king probably has over a hundred or two hundred if you count short storys and novels and novelettes and pen names such as bachman.
Every time you turn around, Nora Roberts and John Grisham have a new book out.
Even danielle steele has about fifty books out.
You have to be putting new material out every few weeks. You obviously have a following, but once they've bought what you have, they look for more. If you don't have more, they are not going to buy the same book twice. If you can't write a novel every month then write a couple of novellettes, and if you can't do that, then write four or five short stories. What the big names know, is that they have to keep writing to build up libraries. The new stuff sells the old stuff and vice versa. You must write first and foremost. Promoting comes a distant second and you shouldn't be worrying about reviews or other nonsense, just keep writing for hours every day and produce better quality.
You have indies like Jackon writing 16 hours a day 7 days a week and he makes many thousands every month. He enjoys what he does and he has more money than he can spend.
Most newbies spend 20 hours a month wasted watching sales reports, 20 a month wasted on face book and other social media, 20 hours a month wasted begging other others for reviews, and only about one hour a month actually writing. You should be spending at least 200 hours a month writing. All the the best selling authors do it and you can too.
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Re: Is it worth writing another book.
Posted: Feb 9, 2014 2:56 AM   in response to: steven brockwell in response to: steven brockwell
 
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steven brockwell wrote:
I have been a self publisher for nearly two years now and all I am seeing is sales just going down hill. Even though I have over 4 books on here, it's starting to seem a waste of time and effort. I mean last month I picked up 3 dollars??? Wow. Where as before I would pick up at least 2 or 3 hundred a month. Is self publishing coming to its end????

What James says is so true. I can think of a few bestselling authors who only wrote one book, Gone with the Wind springs to mind, but the competition is much fiercer now. What struck me about your question was your remark about: is it worth the effort? If it is an effort, then perhaps you should be doing something else. We would all like to make lots of money but if you don't have a story just hammering against the inside of your skull to get out, then you are not a writer. Do you resent friends and relatives coming to visit because you would rather be writing? Do you sneak off to write on Christmas Day? Do you refuse invitations because they would break into your writing time?

Sorry, Steven, but that is how I feel and I think if you are a writer, that is how you should feel as well. I am quite sure I will be bludgeoned for saying it, but there you go.

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Re: Is it worth writing another book.
Posted: Feb 9, 2014 5:52 AM   in response to: james in response to: james
 
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Hi James,

I've only got three books out at the moment and working on two more, but what you say makes a lot of sense. Thanks for posting it here.

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steven brockwell

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Posted: Feb 9, 2014 1:07 PM   in response to: james in response to: james
 
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most of my books are over 200 pages you cant write that in a month.
james Ehrat

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Posted: Feb 9, 2014 1:21 PM   in response to: steven brockwell in response to: steven brockwell
 
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I agree on the can't write more than 200 quality pages in a month, add in editing and proofing, cover design, formatting etc, and I think if you did you turn out boring trash.
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Posted: Feb 9, 2014 2:04 PM   in response to: steven brockwell in response to: steven brockwell
 
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I think if you read my comments carefully you would see that you are seriously misinterpreting my statements. I said that if you can't write a novel of 200 pages, then write two novelettes of sixty pages each but if you can't do that, then write three short stories of thirty pages each. Some of the best selling books right now are short stories at $2.99 or $1.99. If you want to make money and be successful then you get past your own stubbornness and prejudice towards shorter works. Give people what they want and stop trying to cram crap down their throat what you stubbornly want to give them or next time your report will say thirty cents instead of three dollars. The face of amazon is changing daily and rapidly. Either get onto the lifeboats and make it to safety or sink with the titanic.
You lamented your lack of sales and I am trying to help you and you are talking about nonsense I never even suggested. What you have to realize is that you sold books in the past meaning you do have a following. Post the shorter works while you work on the big works. You need a library of fifty items to sell, not four. As I said, a guy like Steven king has probably 150 books and many of them are short stories or novelettes. You have to be dedicated and knuckle under. Write the shorter works while you work on the longer ones. You need to get up to about fifty to a hundred entries. Four is nothing, less than peanuts.
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Re: Is it worth writing another book.
Posted: Feb 10, 2014 1:40 AM   in response to: james in response to: james
 
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i do understand what you are saying, so what if i took one of my 270 page books , which is not selling and broke it up into 3 parts with a different title and listed them in the short stories. would that work better than just one book
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Posted: Feb 10, 2014 1:44 AM   in response to: steven brockwell in response to: steven brockwell
 
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steven brockwell wrote:
i do understand what you are saying, so what if i took one of my 270 page books , which is not selling and broke it up into 3 parts with a different title and listed them in the short stories. would that work better than just one book

It might work better as a serial, rather than short stories. I have been trying to reply to this thread for ages, but the moddy things have got it in for me. Personally, I think if you are in it just for the money and not the love of writing, perhaps you should look elsewhere. It should never be considered an effort.
steven brockwell

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Posted: Feb 10, 2014 9:40 AM   in response to: M.R. Brazear in response to: M.R. Brazear
 
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Hey writing for ten years just to have your books under the bed is one thing, to publish and make nothing out of it is another. No one does nothing for nothing in this world. how many comments are out there ( do not do free promos at least earn something?) so why spend months on end writing, editing and so on just to earn nothing. Might as well give it for free. But we now come back to the last subject, free promotions ???? A catch 22 maybe??
Jenna Grey

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Re: Is it worth writing another book.
Posted: Feb 12, 2014 7:01 AM   in response to: steven brockwell in response to: steven brockwell
 
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The posters that say you should put as many books out as is humanly possible (without sacrificing quality, of course) are spot on. You need to keep writing and getting those books out there. If this means writing all day, every day, then that's what you need to do. Indie authors don't get time off – even if you're sitting in the bath, you should be thinking about what you're going to write when you get out! The only way to succeed is to put books out regularly, the more regular the better and build up a large bookshelf.

I have to admit that I'm struggling to keep up with the amount you need to put out to really pay dividends, but I'm getting there gradually. I can only publish a full length novel of 130,000 words every fourteen-sixteen weeks, because I have to do the editing and the covers and I won't put out a book that I'm not totally happy with. That isn't really fast enough to get mega sales, but it's improving with every book I publish. I only sell a few of each every month, but add them all together and you start getting a decent income from it.

To bump it up a bit I've now starting writing novellas to fill in the gaps. I find I can only spend a certain amount of time a day on one title because I get word blind to it after a few hours, so I switch then and write some of the novella, because it comes up fresh. Alternating between the two gives me a few extra writing hours every day. I can sit an research or edit in the evenings which extends the working day even further. As James says, just write what you can to keep up a steady output of work, even if it is only short stories or novellas.

As M. R. says, though, it's not just about the money. If you don't love doing it, then you can't put in the effort you need to really succeed as an Indie author. It takes up a lot of your life and it really needs to be a passion to be able to commit yourself to it enough.

Jenna

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jm14

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Re: Is it worth writing another book.
Posted: Feb 12, 2014 9:45 AM   in response to: Jenna Grey in response to: Jenna Grey
 
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On the other hand, it took Flaubert five years to write Madame Bovary.

(Admittedly, though, he wasn't writing about a gay zombie in love with a cat hunting a killer through a space station.)
Jenna Grey

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Re: Is it worth writing another book.
Posted: Feb 12, 2014 10:35 AM   in response to: jm14 in response to: jm14
 
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Flaubert wasn't publishing in today's Indie market. Lol.

Jenna

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Gay zombie – now there's an idea . . . (only joking!)

Edited by: Jenna Grey on Feb 12, 2014 10:36 AM
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Posted: Feb 13, 2014 8:57 AM   in response to: jm14 in response to: jm14
 
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*(Admittedly, though, he wasn't writing about a gay zombie in love with a cat hunting a killer through a space station.)

So LBGT paranormal mystery scifi animal story? Pop in some elves having an affair and that is fantasy and romance, - all the bases covered:)
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