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At age 70 I am thinking about doing an overseas trip (OK I AM mad) so I suddenly have an interest in "tablet devices" whereas to date I have been content to work on desktop PCs and a straight Kindle reader.

So this may sound a dumb question but is the Fire (ie as well as a book reader in color) a device that does all those wondrous things that people do on their "IPad/Tablet/whatever"? and if so is it as good as other devices such as the Apple range? (which I think are far more expensive)

All suggestions welcomed.
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Posted: Jul 29, 2014 7:10 PM   in response to: divorcedoctor in response to: divorcedoctor
 
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You couldn't format a book on one probably if that's what you mean. As for reading on them, if it's an ocean voyage, you can't read on one out of doors in the sun. And you'll need to recharge it nearly every day. The upside is you can surf the net with it and do email. But if all you want to do is read, a dedicated ink-reader will be much better. You can read them anywhere, and they only need to be recharged once every couple of weeks.

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Posted: Jul 29, 2014 7:27 PM   in response to: Charlie S in response to: Charlie S
 
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Thanks, and to better explain I already format Kindle books for others (coversareus.com) and that is all done on my Desk PC, and I have a Kindle ink reader that I read books on as well as check out the format I do for others.

My question about Fire is for the standard use of helping as a travel aid using all those Apps specially made for travel as well as general web access, so my (really dumb) question is do these devices only work via WiFi connection or are they a "mobile broadband" devices (I have one such pocket modem device that gives me web on my notepad in most places around Australia).
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Re: Kindle Fire
Posted: Jul 29, 2014 8:10 PM   in response to: divorcedoctor in response to: divorcedoctor
 
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DD,
I have a FIRE among others...

It has WiFi which I use at various wifi enabled places such as airports, coffee shops, etc who offer free WI FI. This enables me to get apps, surf etc etc (as well as download and read books) You can also get a version that has direct internet access (3g or 4g) at an additional cost.

A lot will depend on what service you use when travelling - free WI-FI seems to be everywhere now, whereas using 4g etc requires an account to work through and it is possible to get stung with large download costs. Advantage is it will work wherever most phones work. One thing I do use though is the Fire via my wife's Samsung S5 phone, which can be configured as a WI-FI hotspot that connects to the web. Works fine. You might consider similar. (but make sure yr phone account has enough data allowance...)

The Fire is easier to use back home when testing formatted books as you can side load etc. It's limitation is as Charlie says - battery life and outdoors use, however I put up with that as I prefer color etc. There's plenty of other pads around with similar capabilities and it all depends on yr wallet. I'm in Australia too, and I purchased my Fire on a trip to the USA - saved about $150.
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Posted: Jul 29, 2014 8:26 PM   in response to: divorcedoctor in response to: divorcedoctor
 
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divorcedoctor wrote:
At age 70 I am thinking about doing an overseas trip (OK I AM mad) so I suddenly have an interest in "tablet devices" whereas to date I have been content to work on desktop PCs and a straight Kindle reader.

So this may sound a dumb question but is the Fire (ie as well as a book reader in color) a device that does all those wondrous things that people do on their "IPad/Tablet/whatever"? and if so is it as good as other devices such as the Apple range? (which I think are far more expensive)

All suggestions welcomed.


Well... you probably won't be surprised to hear how much I love and admire the Kindle Fire HDX...

I have the 8.9", which is lightweight and has a dazzling screen display...

BUT...

If I were going to be away from my office any length of time, and wanted "computer capabilities", I'd take my iPad 4, with 9.7-inch screen (also dazzling).

The larger screen is one reason, but the main reasons are that it is much faster, and, with a subscription to Office 365, I have MS Word, Excel, PowerPoint, and OneNote on my iPad 4.

Of course, with the larger screen, it's a few ounces heavier than the Fire HDX 8.9... not much, but noticeable when you are carrying it around.

The latest, the iPad Air, is, as far as I can determine, the same specs as my iPad 4, but with a lighter case and screen... so that might be a good choice and, not all that expensive, if your goal is to avoid carrying a "real computer".

Happy Kindling,

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Posted: Jul 30, 2014 3:38 AM   in response to: divorcedoctor in response to: divorcedoctor
 
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Well, I have a Fire HD and I love it. It will not however take photos -- but then I think people with page-sized iPads taking candid photographs look pretty stupid!

It has a decent web browser and email utility. I even use it for streaming movies. Of course you must be connected to the internet for these features to be useful, but most hotels now have free wi fi.

Unlike an e-ink Kindle, it must be charged every few days, so you need to have your USB cord with you, and the usual electrical plugs for wherever you're going.

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Posted: Jul 30, 2014 6:02 AM   in response to: divorcedoctor in response to: divorcedoctor
 
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I have a keyboard Kindle, Kindle Fire and Ipad 4. It's not even a contest, I just don't use my Kindles anymore because I can do everything I want and better on the Ipad, that includes reading books on my Kindle app. The IPad is so easy to use, it lasts longer on a charge and you have access to more and better apps first with the Apple App Store. It's worth paying the extra money, you will get more out of it...it also has a camera so you can capture images and video. Actually thats very useful for a writer who wants to describe real scenes, streets or buildings, landscapes etc. You can sync files with your PC or Mac with the likes of Dropbox or Cloud and now the Ipad supports decent Office software. I just downloaded WPS office formerly Kingsoft and its free..... Go get that Apple!
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Posted: Jul 30, 2014 6:49 AM   in response to: bygonz in response to: bygonz
 
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Thats my Christmas present to myself, an Ipad. Although I love my paperwhite Kindle with its wonderful battery life, I'm fed up of cluttering my briefcase with yet more electronic gadgets. Multipurpose platform is ideal and the Ipad specs are just far above the other platforms I've checked out. Be interesting to see Apple's new product range this coming September. As it is, and with ever growing ipad sales I may even take on the task of html, or use one of our services on these forums :).
But for me I prefer multi functional hi spec platforms. On holiday I buy a paperback :)
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Posted: Jul 30, 2014 7:48 PM   in response to: Michael Williams in response to: Michael Williams
 
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Thanks to everyone for replies.

I just remembered that my Acer Windows7 10" cute little NoteBook also came with a dual boot to Android, which I had not setup 2 years back when I bought it.

So I went through the whole deal of setting it up as Android and so far I am just looking at my own websites to see how they render on Tablets, and of course the best format for video ie Microsoft .wmv does NOT work so looks like converting to "the ubiquitous flash" if I want tablet people to see my videos (oh yeah Google allows the sound but not the vision in Android) - so the Video War is still on with the Big Players - no surprise there.

So now I just need to discover how to download these things called Apps - any easy hints?
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If I were going to be away from my office any length of time, and wanted "computer capabilities", I'd take my iPad 4, with 9.7-inch screen (also dazzling).

The larger screen is one reason, but the main reasons are that it is much faster, and, with a subscription to Office 365, I have MS Word, Excel, PowerPoint, and OneNote on my iPad 4.

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Thanks for that info EasyPie.

My main concern is having a device that will allow me to make my 360 degree panoramas and the Acer Notebook will do that albeit quite slowly compared to my desktop PCs, so the realization that it also works as "Android" had me excited for a short time, but when I downloaded the particular App from Apple Store that might help with the trip my Android said the file (ie a .ipa extension) was not compatible.

So when the website says it works on ipad and iphone it seems that means ONLY on Apple devices, so is that how this all works, ie each device only works with its own Apps, eg does an .ipa work on Kindle Fire or not?

Once again sorry to sound so dumb on this tablet thing but I have never had any interest before.

Other thing you may be able to explain for me is do these Apps work OffLine or do you have to be IN a WiFi zone, ie are they just like a Kindle book where you first download at a WiFi spot and then read them wherever.

I have a very limited budget and as I say my notebook which cost $400 2 years back will do the job but now for $400 I can buy an HP 14 inch Notebook (actually it is a laptop as it has a DVD drive) with lots more grunt or maybe spend the $400 on a tablet device (or simply spend nothing), so that is my reason for all these questions.
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Re: Kindle Fire
Posted: Jul 31, 2014 6:04 PM   in response to: divorcedoctor in response to: divorcedoctor
 
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Brian:

Apps are device-specific. If you want "iPad and iPhone" apps, you need an Apple device. If you want Droid apps, you need a Droid device. The B&N Nooks, and Fires, and HDXes, etc., all run on Droid. So, yes, to some degree, you can buy apps that work on a Fire, from the Droid app store, but no: a Droid app won't work on an iPad (in ANY fashion), and an app made specifically for Apple products won't work on others, of any kind. If you are app-oriented, you need to figure out what apps you need, before you buy the tablet to run them.

Personally, I'd work the other way around--I'd never buy another Apple device, except for book-testing, and only then when I had no other alternative--but for some people, especially gamers and the like, iOS is crucial. I find the Droids far, far faster, and I prefer them for actual work. There are "millions" of Apple apps, although again: some enormous quantity of those are games and entertainment, ranging from videos to horoscopes to you-name-it. There are apps that have been created to work on both, or, rather, there are companies that put out apps for each platform that do the same thing (for example: epicurious, IIRC, has an app that works for Droid, and one for iOS).

Honestly, you might be better off with a simple tablet computer, or the Surface Pro2, and then just web-surf. Remember, most apps are designed to recreate web applications that can't really work on devices with limited battery life, storage and the like. If you need a travel guide, for your journey, you might consider just getting a good smartphone. I rather like my HTC One, FWIW. The Samsungs are pretty good, too. Of course, I don't know enough about networks, wifi, etc., in OZ to say more than that. You might want to consider a Samsung tablet, also, as a viable alternative.

Really...this question is all different horses for different courses. I'm not being dismissive, it's just hard to know what might suit you. I use my Fire for web-surfing, but honestly, I do more websurfing now on my smartphone--even sitting on the sofa--than with my iPad or my Fires or anything else. It's rocket-fast, and the advanced Droid voice-search capabilities (from Google, obviously) are fab.

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Posted: Jul 31, 2014 8:31 PM   in response to: booknookbiz in response to: booknookbiz
 
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Thanks Hitch, you just confirmed what I suspected, ie that Apps are for the Blip Culture that has taken over our planet ie all games, facebook and selfie oriented, ie NOT for me.

but my MAIN (apart from any personal use) issue is that I have had an expression of interest to include content from one of my websites into an App for Iphone and I don't want to put off the Inquirer by saying I have not actually seen the App he is referring to, so I was hoping to be able to view it on my Android notebook.

guess I'll just have to get a friend to download it on their device and take a look
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Posted: Jul 31, 2014 10:17 PM   in response to: divorcedoctor in response to: divorcedoctor
 
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OK I found someone with iPad Air (or similar) and they will download it tonight so I can look

they explained to me that Android is Samsung etc OS (incl KindleFire??) and said if the makers of the App made an Apple version they would surely have made an Android version as well - and I agreed.

so I now get a better picture of what I might be able to do with my Android device, so surely there is a similar store to the Apple store where I can search for Apps?

anyone know the ropes?
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Posted: Aug 1, 2014 3:20 PM   in response to: divorcedoctor in response to: divorcedoctor
 
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Hi, Brian:

Yes. You go to the GooglePlay store (just google it!) and you can see all Droid apps that are for sale. You can sort by type, and search. And take note: not all iOS apps have Droid counterparts (and vice-versa). Also, not all Droid tablet apps will work on specific e-reader tablets. For example, Dropbox doesn't work that well on a Fire Device, nor on a Nook. It will work somewhat, but not perfectly, particularly on the Fire. Evernote works pretty much everywhere. I'm also not an "app person," so you're probably speaking to the wrong babe. I don't "do" Angry Birds, or any of that stuff. I have some productivity apps, a weather app or two, and work-related apps (like real wifi apps for x-ferring books for testing to specific devices). I have MS-based apps, like Office 365.

So, yes: make sure that the app you want is available for the DEVICE you plan to use. If needed, pong around a bit to the forum dedicated for a specific thing, whether it's a smartphone or tablet or whatever,and ask. You'll get pretty good answers, particularly amongst Droid users.

Oh, and you can also google things like "Droid travel app for Samsung Tablet X," and get pretty good answers that way, or "is there a droid version of Travel App X?" That might even be the fastest way to find what you want to know.

Hope that helps.

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Posted: Aug 1, 2014 6:49 PM   in response to: booknookbiz in response to: booknookbiz
 
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Thanks again Hitch,

I managed to find a person here with the latest IPad thingo and he downloaded the App for me to play around with - like it's a whole different world with tablets (but give me a mouse and Windows any day).

But I can now see how this particular travel App works and how to best position myself in offering my content, so that covers the business opportunity side (which hopefully might pay for my trip).

As for devices FOR such a trip I think my Acer Notebook is as good as anything because it will allow me to run the software I need to make my 360 degree panos.

I would use GoogleEarth as my "travel guide" by pre-loading the 2 gig disc cache with just the maps of the area I would be visiting so no need to have internet connection.

For the small bit of web surfing I would need I found that I can buy a "global roaming" package for my existing mobile broadband WiFi pocket modem, and even at 10 times the cost per gig of the local package it would sure beat mucking around buying a new device in the UK.

So thanks to everyone that answered as for better or for worse I now understand a lot more about the world of tablets.
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