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Can AZ sort eBook sales in a genre, as Audible allows?
Posted: Feb 25, 2016 12:07 PM
 
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I’m looking for a way to compare my eBook sales against other eBook sales within my own genre. Audible’s Advanced Search allows this for audio books, but I don't see a way do this on Amazon for digital books.

Here’s what I mean:
If I search for all Sci-Fi & Fantasy audio books, 20 hours or longer, any release date, and then select Contemporary Sci-Fi, and Best Selling rankings (chosen after the first results appear), I have 254 results (as of today’s date). All five of my longest books were found this way. I rank a respectable #20, #32, #34, # 37, and #44, out of the 254 books found using that filtering.

If I remove the “Over 20 hours” filter for length, I have 5765 books in the new list, and I have a more humble ranking of #129, #216, #248, #258, and #283.

I’d like to know how well I rank against eBooks like mine, and not against ALL authors in Amazon. When one or two of my books are in the top 100 best sellers in a subgenre, I can see how they rank with others, but I can’t later, when they drop out of the top 100.

This is just curiosity, not a sales strategy, which I can’t take advantage of anyway.

Diana Persaud

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Re: Can AZ sort eBook sales in a genre, as Audible allows?
Posted: Feb 25, 2016 3:36 PM   in response to: STEPHEN W BENNETT in response to: STEPHEN W BENNETT
 
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Amazon ranking is calculated and updated hourly. Your book's rank is compared to all the other books on Amazon and ranked accordingly (by the hour unless rank is stuck for some reason). I find that 20 minutes past the hour is usually when rank is updated.

If you look at your book's page, it shows what your ranking is for 3 categories. That should give you an idea of how you compare to other books in the same subcategories.

I do not know how Audible's ranking is determined.
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Re: Can AZ sort eBook sales in a genre, as Audible allows?
Posted: Feb 25, 2016 3:37 PM   in response to: STEPHEN W BENNETT in response to: STEPHEN W BENNETT
 
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I replied and it was modded.
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Re: Can AZ sort eBook sales in a genre, as Audible allows?
Posted: Feb 25, 2016 4:39 PM   in response to: Diana Persaud in response to: Diana Persaud
 
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Diana Persaud wrote:
I replied and it was modded.

Odd. I never grasp why most mods take place.

I think if I can see which books, their covers, pricing, blurbs, descriptions, Look Inside peeks, then buy and read a few better received Indie books, I'll see what degree of proofreading and editing issues are present. Those are things I can work on to improve my books, to perhaps rise to the level of books that sell significantly better than mine.

At 73 and untrained as a writer, I don't think I can do a lot to improve my ability there at this stage of my life, but some of the "mechanics" of presenting a better book can be improved (if I saw specifics of what sold better than my own efforts). All I see are reports that tell me how I do in the world of writing at large (like Author Ranking, and Amazon Best Sellers Rank), and not in comparison with other SPECIFIC Sci-Fi books (like they do for Hot New Releases, or Top 100), as I can easily do on Audible for years worth of older books. Amazon doesn't seem to have easy to use tools. I don't want to see how I fare against zombie or vampire books, or fantasy, which are outside my declared hard Sci-Fi category. I'd think a lot of authors would like to be able to see which of their peers do a better job than they do, and learn to get better,
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Re: Can AZ sort eBook sales in a genre, as Audible allows?
Posted: Feb 25, 2016 8:09 PM   in response to: Diana Persaud in response to: Diana Persaud
 
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Diana Persaud wrote:}{quote}
I replied and it was modded.

And I answered back with clarifications of what I hoped to learn if I could filter eBooks better, and that was hours ago, so it also was apparently modded. Evidently I can ask this "delicate" (?) question, but not see replies, or expand on my question. Why not mod the original post if it's too sensitive a subject? (For some obscure reason.)
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Re: Can AZ sort eBook sales in a genre, as Audible allows?
Posted: Feb 26, 2016 8:34 AM   in response to: STEPHEN W BENNETT in response to: STEPHEN W BENNETT
 
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You need to look in the top 20 or top 100 in your category.

If you click on the subcategories you are ranking in (say scifi), it will take you to the top 100, both free and paid. I would concentrate on the Paid page. Then you can read those books.
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Re: Can AZ sort eBook sales in a genre, as Audible allows?
Posted: Feb 26, 2016 12:44 PM   in response to: Diana Persaud in response to: Diana Persaud
 
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Diana Persaud wrote:
You need to look in the top 20 or top 100 in your category.

If you click on the subcategories you are ranking in (say scifi), it will take you to the top 100, both free and paid. I would concentrate on the Paid page. Then you can read those books.


Thanks, Diana,

That's similar to what I've done previously, but the top 100 on Amazon seems rather mercurial, because they are normally relatively recent sales (last year or two). The 254 books on Audible went as far back as 2001 (perhaps some older), and the 5775 book lists probably have some much older. There are a great many books to compare on Audible (release dates shown right up front), and I could chose some that seem closest to my style that also did better. Unfortunately, audio doesn't let me see how the book is designed internally, edited and proofread, chapters set up, etc. I wanted to find Amazon eBooks that had "legs," which sold well over a longer term than the last year or two (although, I did spot one eBook from 2008, but it wasn't an Indie book). I just wondered if there were better tools on Amazon for selecting particular categories of books over longer time frames than the recent past.

Like all of us, I want my sales to survive over the years, because I intend to leave the rights to my books to a son (an age 73 old fart like me plans that way). They won't be that valuable if they don't stand the test of time. I've made nearly $300K in 30 months, and my royalty earnings go up every year. I have grand kids I'd like to help go to school, but if sales end when I'm gone, all of that income ends if people stop reading the earlier work. I want to try to design books that look appealing longer. Not very realistic I suppose, but I can try.

I don't expect to match the absolute top sellers, those with traditional publisher help, but other indies that have done well might provide some insights. I'm certainly doing quite well, but I'd like the books to do well for longer than I'll live. ;-)

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Re: Can AZ sort eBook sales in a genre, as Audible allows?
Posted: Feb 27, 2016 11:32 AM   in response to: STEPHEN W BENNETT in response to: STEPHEN W BENNETT
 
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With no better answer than to use the limited present tools on Amazon, the answer is, we can't compare our own work to works of those authors of past years that are no longer in the top 100 for sales. Audible does it better. Thanks for your replies Diane.

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Re: Can AZ sort eBook sales in a genre, as Audible allows?
Posted: Jun 12, 2017 6:45 AM   in response to: STEPHEN W BENNETT in response to: STEPHEN W BENNETT
 
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we can't compare our own work to works of those authors of past years that are no longer in the top 100 for sales
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Re: Can AZ sort eBook sales in a genre, as Audible allows?
Posted: Jun 13, 2017 10:27 PM   in response to: STEPHEN W BENNETT in response to: STEPHEN W BENNETT
 
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You're selling thousands a month, I've read one myself, and you're a prolific writer. I really wouldn't worry about comparing yourself to others. Let them worry about you ;)
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Posted: Jun 14, 2017 2:50 PM   in response to: steven morris in response to: steven morris
 
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steven morris wrote:
You're selling thousands a month, I've read one myself, and you're a prolific writer. I really wouldn't worry about comparing yourself to others. Let them worry about you ;)

Thanks. I just ended my first series, and I'm amazed a novice had the results I've had. I'll have to focus on what I did before, and see if my next trilogy is as lucky. If I can't pull in the same fans, or new fans, to a different style contemporary Sci-Fi story, I can always revert to the classic style aliens and deep space tale that found my first audience. Blood, guts, adventure, likable characters and humor worked for me before. :-)
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Re: Can AZ sort eBook sales in a genre, as Audible allows?
Posted: Jun 15, 2017 5:11 PM   in response to: STEPHEN W BENNETT in response to: STEPHEN W BENNETT
 
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STEPHEN W BENNETT wrote:
I’m looking for a way to compare my eBook sales against other eBook sales within my own genre. Audible’s Advanced Search allows this for audio books, but I don't see a way do this on Amazon for digital books.

Well here's a bit of luck. Thanks to a recent thread in General Questions, I can do what I wanted in Kindle sales, in better detail than I expected.
Kate Rauner posted: number of books in each category has disappeared - I want it back She learned it had moved a bit, and I discovered it existed.

This is close to what I wanted to do. Try this search under Kindle Store, Kindle eBooks (genera). Pasted below is my search of Science Fiction, and then clicking under my various sub-categories (my own Keywords): of Alien Invasion, Colonization, First Contact, Galactic Empire, Genetic Engineering, Hard Science Fiction, and Military\Space Fleet. I discovered how I ranked out of many thousands of similar books. You have to scroll down, but it's there.

Kindle Store
Kindle eBooks
Science Fiction & Fantasy
Science Fiction

Adventure
Alien Invasion
Alternative History
Anthologies & Short Stories
Classics
Colonization
Cyberpunk
Dystopian
First Contact
Galactic Empire
Genetic Engineering
Hard Science Fiction
LGBT
Metaphysical & Visionary
Military
Post-Apocalyptic
Space Exploration
Space Opera
Steampunk
TV, Movie, Video Game Adaptations
Time Travel

To toot my own horn, here are two of my searches And why not? No one else will. :-) Here is what I found, and you can do it too. The information was there, I just didn't know how to look!

(Today only) I'm #3 under:
1-16 of 4,047 results for Kindle Store : Kindle eBooks : Science Fiction & Fantasy : Science Fiction : Colonization
And #34 under:
33-48 of 156,435 results for Kindle Store : Kindle eBooks : Science Fiction & Fantasy : Science Fiction

Edit: I should have said I was searching for my newest book, and it is that result shown above. Older books must be buried much farther down the lists.

This sort of data could help guide me in using Amazon's advertising in genera where I'm already listed, but would like to rank higher by selling more books.

Good luck in your searches,
Steve Bennett

Edited by: STEPHEN W BENNETT on Jun 15, 2017 5:43 PM
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