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Joseph M Erhardt

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Re: Wowee... Changes at Goodreads... Giveaways Expensive...
Posted: Nov 30, 2017 4:50 AM   in response to: Dave Casey in response to: Dave Casey
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Dave Casey wrote:
I have two giveaways finishing up in the next few days and i guess they will be the last ones I run. Going from $0 to $119 to $599? That's about the most ludicrous thing I've ever seen.

Well ... now that you mention it ...

D'you suppose Goodreads hired that pha*rma bro guy, Martin Shkreli?

BTW, pha*rma (unstarred) is also a for*bid*den word--got modded my first attempt.

Edited by: Joseph M Erhardt on Nov 30, 2017 4:50 AM
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Posted: Nov 30, 2017 4:55 AM   in response to: acornwriter in response to: acornwriter
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I don't mind giving my books away...but paying to give them away? Er...I don't think so!

Goodreads has always been reader orientated and has never been author friendly. My main gripe is not being able to upload new covers to listed titles...I even started a thread on here about it!

I do what most probably do: Upload new titles, put a link to my website and then forget about Goodreads.

Their members used to have a terrible reputation for trolling. I don't know if that's still the case. But I don't intend to start engaging with anyone on there.
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Posted: Nov 30, 2017 4:56 AM   in response to: Notjohn in response to: Notjohn
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Finally, if there's a successful competitor, buy it!, then proceed as above, or merge it into one of our other profit centers.
Standard operating procedure for most large public companies (and many privately held ones), at least in the US.
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Posted: Nov 30, 2017 9:36 AM   in response to: acornwriter in response to: acornwriter
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As a reader, it makes me sad to see these comments by authors. I'm an organizer of a book club in the NoVA/DC Metro area. Our book club has more than 50 members. I've selected books as monthly book club selections that I've received from goodreads giveaways on quite a few occasions. That's more than 50 readers reading your books that wouldn't have read your books otherwise. That means your books were purchased & borrowed from libraries by 50+ people...as a result of a goodreads giveaway. By getting a book into my hand...multiple copies were purchased by book club members. Maybe take some time to peruse goodreads & find members who list book clubs in their profiles or have book club reading shelves. Contact them & ask it they'd be interested in reading/reviewing your book. Seems to me that getting your book into the hands of someone who selects books to read each month for upwards of 50 people makes perfect sense. You need to get your books into the hands of people who have a loud word of mouth & an audience who listens.

Also, if you end up getting your book into the hands of one of the goodreads members who reads/reviews books & who has upwards of 200 friends/followers...your book is getting attention & being added to "to read" shelves. Especially if you get your book into the hands of a goodreads Top Reviewer.

It seems to me that perhaps you're not getting your books into the hands of the power users. Perhaps take a few moments out of your day to visit the Top Reviewers page on goodreads & reach out to a few of the Top Reviewers via a goodreads message and ask them if they'd be interested in reading/reviewing your books. There is a very active community of power users on goodreads. We read A TON of books every month and we rate/review them as we finish them. By contacting them directly, you can cut out goodreads giveaways & avoid having to pay the associated fees. I've had multiple authors contact me directly via goodreads offering a copy of their book to me.

Or....here's another idea...join meetup and search for book clubs. Contact the Organizers and offer copies of your books to the Organizers. If an Organizer enjoys your book, it's likely they'll select it for discussion and the members will purchase copies.

Work on your hustle!!!
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Posted: Nov 30, 2017 9:45 AM   in response to: Amy C Piper in response to: Amy C Piper
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That means your books were purchased & borrowed from libraries by 50+ people...as a result of a goodreads giveaway.

A giveaway is not a purchase, though Amazon would like us to think so (and treats its own giveaways that as sales).

(Don't trust KDP to publish a print edition. Don't trust CreateSpace to publish an ebook. Each does one thing well and the other thing poorly.)

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Posted: Nov 30, 2017 9:49 AM   in response to: Amy C Piper in response to: Amy C Piper
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I agree that having serious people reviewing your free book can be a good thing in some circumstances, but it still doesn't explain why the author would have to pay Goodreads $119 to give his/her book for free. Don't you think we're living in an upside-down world?

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Posted: Nov 30, 2017 10:39 AM   in response to: Amy C Piper in response to: Amy C Piper
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Amy, you're absolutely right, and I thank you for taking the time to post. That was terrific advice. (And if I can find you on Goodreads, I'm going to offer you my books.) ;) Thanks again.

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Posted: Nov 30, 2017 10:46 AM   in response to: Amy C Piper in response to: Amy C Piper
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Amy C Piper wrote:
I've had multiple authors contact me directly via goodreads offering a copy of their book to me.
If they're doing so, they're violating the Goodreads TOS. It expressly forbids authors from contacting readers directly to solicit reviews or to promote their books.

There are specific groups where authors can offer review copies, but that's not the same as directly contacting the reviewer.
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Posted: Nov 30, 2017 10:58 AM   in response to: writerbn in response to: writerbn
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Perhaps I should clarify that the "wink" was supposed to indicate that I was kidding...

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Posted: Nov 30, 2017 11:12 AM   in response to: Jenna Brooks in response to: Jenna Brooks
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Jenna Brooks wrote:
Perhaps I should clarify that the "wink" was supposed to indicate that I was kidding...
My comment was addressed to Amy, so it doesn't matter if you were kidding :)
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Posted: Nov 30, 2017 11:43 AM   in response to: writerbn in response to: writerbn
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Yeah, but you made an excellent point (and thanks for that) - so I wanted to make sure my intent was clear.

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Posted: Nov 30, 2017 6:17 PM   in response to: Joseph M Erhardt in response to: Joseph M Erhardt
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Joseph M Erhardt wrote:
Dave Casey wrote:
I have two giveaways finishing up in the next few days and i guess they will be the last ones I run. Going from $0 to $119 to $599? That's about the most ludicrous thing I've ever seen.

Well ... now that you mention it ...

D'you suppose Goodreads hired that pha*rma bro guy, Martin Shkreli?

BTW, pha*rma (unstarred) is also a for*bid*den word--got modded my first attempt.

Edited by: Joseph M Erhardt on Nov 30, 2017 4:50 AM


You got modded for pha*rma and yet...

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Re: Wowee... Changes at Goodreads... Giveaways Expensive...
Posted: Dec 1, 2017 12:55 PM   in response to: Amy C Piper in response to: Amy C Piper
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You need to get your books into the hands of people who have a loud word of mouth & an audience who listens.

Unfortunately, Goodreads does the selecting in giveaways so it's out of our hands either way

Contact them & ask it they'd be interested in reading/reviewing your book

This is against Goodreads TOS so that wouldn't work.

Perhaps take a few moments out of your day to visit the Top Reviewers page on goodreads & reach out to a few of the Top Reviewers via a goodreads message and ask them if they'd be interested in reading/reviewing your books.

Against Goodreads TOS. They won't allow you to contact readers on their site asking for reviews.

Edited by: Adom Sample on Dec 1, 2017 12:55 PM

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Re: Wowee... Changes at Goodreads... Giveaways Expensive...
Posted: Dec 2, 2017 10:24 PM   in response to: Jenny Workman in response to: Jenny Workman
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Jenny Workman... No, they are going to go from not charging us anything to give a book away to charging a whole lot of money. Many of us don't make that much a month on our books. So, you can expect to watch a massive decline in how many giveaways happen after January 9th. Massive.
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Posted: Dec 3, 2017 12:20 AM   in response to: Amy C Piper in response to: Amy C Piper
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Amy C Piper wrote:
You need to get your books into the hands of people who have a loud word of mouth & an audience who listens.

Great idea. How do we do that?

Also, if you end up getting your book into the hands of one of the goodreads members who reads/reviews books & who has upwards of 200 friends/followers...your book is getting attention & being added to "to read" shelves. Especially if you get your book into the hands of a goodreads Top Reviewer.

Again, great idea. I would be more than happy to send a free copy or two to these top reviewers.

It seems to me that perhaps you're not getting your books into the hands of the power users. Perhaps take a few moments out of your day to visit the Top Reviewers page on goodreads & reach out to a few of the Top Reviewers via a goodreads message and ask them if they'd be interested in reading/reviewing your books.

Great idea. Of course, it's against the Terms of Service at GoodReads and will get an author banned for life.

As I said before, I would be more than happy to give a copy or two of my books to these top reviewers, as long as it wouldn't get me banned from GoodReads. But, knowing my luck. the first reviewer I reach out to would report me and I'd be axed.

There is going to be a huge drop in the number of self-pub authors doing GoodReads giveaways after this new price goes into effect. I don't know too many of them that will be willing to fork out $119 PER BOOK to do a giveaway. I certainly won't.

My guess, Amazon is doing this to kill the GoodReads giveaways, so that authors will be more inclined to use the Amazon giveaways. It wouldn't be the first time they've taken someone elses good idea and killed it to make room for their own version of the idea. See CreateSpace.
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