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Strangelove

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Re: do folks buy fiction anymore? should you write literary fiction?
Posted: Apr 10, 2015 5:14 PM   in response to: the_peartree in response to: the_peartree
 
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I just checked: all three genre novels well under the 10K mark, the best just over 3K this morning.

Please provide a link so we too can see your books...
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Posted: Apr 10, 2015 11:46 PM   in response to: wellhouse in response to: wellhouse
 
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And thanks for your reply, which is a civilized one. Too many people seem to be afraid of lively debate but it's the best way to test our ideas and opinions - in my opinion...

We all have our own list of books that changed our lives but one of yours, 'Heart of Darkness' certainly did the same for me. I re-read it a few months ago, and was more impressed than ever. How can anything just over one hundred pages long be so profound? It says everything there is to say about colonialism, but also much about the human heart - and it's technically brilliant. I could go on and on about it...

I also agree with your comment your comment about Fowles. The fact that many agents would not touch it today, however, says more about us as readers than it does about him as a novelist; the number of people who enjoy an intellectual challenge as well as enjoying a good story has always been relatively small, but I think it's getting smaller. Certainly, the market for 'literary fiction' on the Kindle is virtually non-existent. Phew - I got back to the OP.
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Posted: Apr 10, 2015 11:52 PM   in response to: Strangelove in response to: Strangelove
 
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Please provide a link so we too can see your books...

Oh no, no, no! I did that once and became a victim of revenge-by-review - a couple of people felt that that was best way to win an argument we were having on a forum. Never again.

I'm not saying at all that you would do the same but there are some funny people about. If you cannot take my word on those numbers, that's fine. It's not a big deal for me.
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Re: do folks buy fiction anymore? should you write literary fiction?
Posted: Sep 12, 2015 2:53 PM   in response to: openhearted in response to: openhearted
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Hi openhearted.

I actually made a post similar to this one a few weeks ago, asking if anyone knew about any breakout Amazon writers who did NOT write genre fiction (or non-fiction). It seems, for now, that Amazon and its algorithms don't seem to favour "literary fiction", books like Cosmopolis, Norwegian Wood, or the plethora of books that have done well ( but through traditional publishing). What I feel might work is if some of the heavy hitters try and engage Amazon in a way so that books about the human condition get more attention, versus writers being forced to write Science Fiction or paranormal books to (maybe) get noticed.
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Re: do folks buy fiction anymore? should you write literary fiction?
Posted: Sep 13, 2015 5:42 PM   in response to: the_peartree in response to: the_peartree
 
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the_peartree wrote:
Please provide a link so we too can see your books...

Oh no, no, no! I did that once and became a victim of revenge-by-review - a couple of people felt that that was best way to win an argument we were having on a forum. Never again.
Fair enough, but having read your posts on this thread I'm afraid I must insist on having some means of finding your writing (it's not the statistics that interest me). You could email the link to me if you feel comfortable doing so; my address is on my user profile.
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Posted: Sep 13, 2015 5:56 PM   in response to: birdimus in response to: birdimus
 
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birdimus wrote:
What I feel might work is if some of the heavy hitters try and engage Amazon in a way so that books about the human condition get more attention, versus writers being forced to write Science Fiction or paranormal books to (maybe) get noticed.

Bless your heart for feeling so, although I don't believe this is realistic. It would mean hiring Amazon to be a literary agent for them - but who exactly would select the books? There are no arbiters of good taste on Amazon itself, and I'm guessing that sales rankings are not what you have in mind :-)

It's curious that you mention writing paranormal books to get noticed - I am currently trying to write just such a book, but find myself gravitating to the same style in which I wrote my novel. We can only go so far in learning to turn the tricks of this trade.

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Edited by: 10blade on Sep 13, 2015 5:58 PM
openhearted

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Posted: Nov 21, 2015 4:31 PM   in response to: birdimus in response to: birdimus
 
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genre fiction does get a bit
just about the formula

I like heavy fiction with some humor in it

where is that?

it's all just tricks out there

I need the truth--fiction style

I can handle the truth!

I think

thanks, everyone, for your insightful comments

Jim B
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Posted: Dec 31, 2015 6:13 AM   in response to: sprinkles in response to: sprinkles
 
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Sprinkles

this is an awesome wind chime story

it kind of rings a bell

alarming, but good--yup, indie writers--wind chime makers--we're all the same--

she should continue her wind chime career--but find something new about it

living in Hawaii is no penalty

we all should be so lucky as to have children and live in paradise

thanks for the note

oh
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Re: do folks buy fiction anymore? should you write literary fiction?
Posted: Dec 31, 2015 6:23 AM   in response to: openhearted in response to: openhearted
 
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I'm still not sure why writers don't just write what they long to write. What they love. What they are passionate about!

Sure, it used to be that those works just went into a box under the bed, if no agent or editor was interested because "there aren't enough readers for that sort of book".
Now we can all publish whatever we want to, whenever we want to.
Brave new world! Happy New Year!
openhearted

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Posted: Dec 31, 2015 6:31 AM   in response to: Strangelove in response to: Strangelove
 
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Strangelove

I'll take a chance and post a link to

Makeover Games, by B. Sting

http://www.amazon.com/Makeover-Games-B-Sting-ebook/dp/B00HCQ24K4/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8

this book has been bashed left and right--it infuriates ladies when I describe the plot line--sure, my sisters have called me a male chauvinist all my life--but the woman in the book is a real hero that the main character, a guy, loves

the book is so literary apparently no one is interested in reading it--it has science fiction and fantasy elements, because it is about switching bodies

it poses the question--would you like to walk in someone else's shoes?

B. Sing is a pen name---I have others---"Balboa" is a somewhat popular out there romantic comedy that I now gravitate towards, since I realize that I have at least a vague, distant comprehension of the plot elements--it is essentially literary

oh
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Re: do folks buy fiction anymore? should you write literary fiction?
Posted: Dec 31, 2015 6:39 AM   in response to: the_peartree in response to: the_peartree
 
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Peartree

you warned me, but I went ahead anyway--

"Heart of Darkness" has always been a favorite of mine---maybe I'll read it again--

while we are whipped and thrashed and pounded with advice that we should write big fat obese doorstop books--I mostly like short books---some of the only long books I really liked were "Of Human Bondage," "Catch 22," and "Great Expectations"---the last one--too fat

great short novels:

"The Great Gatsby"

"Catcher in the Rye"

"Gossip Girl"

even obese Henry James was best brief--"Turn of the Screw"

heck, I like "The Little Prince"

time will tell, I think, that no one has time anymore to read gigantic books

oh

Edited by: openhearted on Dec 31, 2015 6:40 AM
Wade Shatford

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Re: do folks buy fiction anymore? should you write literary fiction?
Posted: Apr 22, 2016 6:21 PM   in response to: openhearted in response to: openhearted
 
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You don't get classified as 'literature' until you're dead! Freezing to death in an alley, being imprisoned for debauchery, or simply dying penniless in obscurity also helps. One of my books 'In the Hall Of the Mountain King - A Dark Fable' I consider to be a work of literature / dark fantasy. Good luck with that eh? (Canadian sorry) Anyhow things are looking up! I think I may achieve at least 2 of my 3 previously listed requirements! Who cares though really? It was damn fun to write, rewarding as hell, and I'm very proud of it. Guess I'm going back to my day job on Monday though. ..
openhearted

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Posted: Jun 17, 2016 7:45 AM   in response to: Wade Shatford in response to: Wade Shatford
 
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thanks, Wade,

go ahead--keep your pants on--keep your day job & keep writing

I know of a famous YA writer who used to whine about having books rejected (idiot agents would actually refuse to represent some of this best selling writer's new books--in other words--she found it hard to publish even though she was a real--true, best seller)

anyway, she quit her job, and pretty soon she's lost her mind--couldn't write

just lost it

so, I recommend--keep your pants on--don't quit that job

but, keep writing

oh
thrasherll

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Posted: Jun 17, 2016 12:47 PM   in response to: Patrick A. Smith in response to: Patrick A. Smith
 
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Patrick A. Smith wrote:
I just looked it up and it said that literary fiction is fiction that doesn't fit into any genre. I don't think there is any such thing as a fiction book that isn't in a certain genre (category). How could there be?

Genres are used by publishers, bookstores, and libraries to make it easy for people to find a specific type of book. Books that don't fit into any of the common genres are literary fiction. That doesn't necessarily mean they're incredibly good or have an artsy style; it just means they don't fit into the categories of Fantasy, Science Fiction, Western, Mystery, History, or Romance that publishers, bookstores, and libraries designate as genres because they all have similar characteristics and people who like a genre want to find them easily. Romance means there's going to be a happy ending. Mystery means the main character is going to solve the mystery, etc. Literary Fiction refers to books that don't fit into one of those categories; examples are To Kill a Mockingbird, Breakheart Hill, The Girls, The Martian, A Maiden's Grave, and on and on. Gone with the Wind does not fit into the History genre even though it is set during the Civil War and can be described as a historical novel. Love Story does not fit into the Romance genre.

L. L. Thrasher
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Re: do folks buy fiction anymore? should you write literary fiction?
Posted: Jun 17, 2016 3:16 PM   in response to: thrasherll in response to: thrasherll
 
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I just published my first novel "JAKE" and really struggled with the genre... its fiction but the characters are dealing with historical and current racism and mans ability to change in today's "post-racial" society... it really didn't fit any of the standard genre categories... its not religious, its not a self help book, not metaphysical, not historical, certainly not a mystery or fantasy so I ended up listing it as literary fiction... of course sad to read in this thread that some consider that the kiss of death from a sales perspective but then again not sure that matters... it was the story i needed to write and it either will sell or not but that for me isn't the measure of its success...

joe
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