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Marcela Martine...

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Alternatives to Payoneer
Posted: Sep 10, 2014 11:07 AM
 
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Does anyone know of alternatives ways of receiving EFT payments from the US?
I know about payoneer, are there another ones out there?
Thank you
Marcelo Perlin

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Re: Alternatives to Payoneer
Posted: May 2, 2017 12:22 PM   in response to: Marcela Martine... in response to: Marcela Martine...
 
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Payoneer is really doing a bad job for KDP authors. They just locked my account without any reason.

Do we have any alternatives?
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Re: Alternatives to Payoneer
Posted: May 3, 2017 2:40 PM   in response to: Marcelo Perlin in response to: Marcelo Perlin
 
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Marcelo Perlin wrote:
Payoneer is really doing a bad job for KDP authors. They just locked my account without any reason.

Do we have any alternatives?


Really, there is a reason. It is no more likely that Payoneer would randomly and arbitrarily lock an account than Citibank, Verizon, or Amazon would.

Write to them - politely - and ask them why the account was locked.
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Re: Alternatives to Payoneer
Posted: May 3, 2017 2:42 PM   in response to: Marcela Martine... in response to: Marcela Martine...
 
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Marcela Martinez Millan wrote:
Does anyone know of alternatives ways of receiving EFT payments from the US?
I know about payoneer, are there another ones out there?
Thank you

If there is, I've never seen it mentioned here. Far as I know, it's either Amazon direct by ETF or check (where ETF is not available) or Payoneer. With the exception of the other poster above in this thread, whose accusation is not likely warrated, I've never heard any complaints about Payoneer here.
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Re: Alternatives to Payoneer
Posted: May 3, 2017 2:46 PM   in response to: Marcela Martine... in response to: Marcela Martine...
 
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Marcela Martinez Millan wrote:
Does anyone know of alternatives ways of receiving EFT payments from the US?
I know about payoneer, are there another ones out there?
Thank you

I replied to this - and my reply promptly got tackled by the mad mod-bot. The same one that happily allows hundreds and even thousands of spam posts to fill up the forums every day.

With any luck (but you never know about the mad mod-bot; it loves spam, but hates a great many harmless posts), it'll show up in a day or two.

Edited by: jm14 on May 3, 2017 2:46 PM to add:

Okay, I see that the mod-bot lost its grip and allowed to the post to slip through. Or else, possibly, the system was simply unusually slow in putting posts up, and I falsely accused the poor little bot (even though it really does like spam).
Marcelo Perlin

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Re: Alternatives to Payoneer
Posted: May 4, 2017 3:11 PM   in response to: jm14 in response to: jm14
 
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There was no explicit reason for blocking my account. I did not made a password mistake. There is no explanattion and no return from payoneer...

I'm still looking for alternatives, even flying to US to open a bank account..
Marcelo Perlin

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Posted: May 4, 2017 3:18 PM   in response to: jm14 in response to: jm14
 
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I did ask them why and how to reopen the account. the customer service is horrible. You can find many horror stories in the internet .

It is also weird how they locked it just when my royalties were due.

Anyway, I'll keep searching for solutions.
Notjohn

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Re: Alternatives to Payoneer
Posted: May 7, 2017 3:26 AM   in response to: Marcelo Perlin in response to: Marcelo Perlin
 
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I'm still looking for alternatives, even flying to US to open a bank account.

It's not that easy. You would need a US address, a US tax identification number (we now get them at birth in the form of a Social Security retirement account; "Green Card" permanent residents also get them; other residents can get a formal Individual Tax Identification Number from the Internal Revenue Service), and some other government-issued photo ID card such as a driver's license.

I still regret giving up the British bank account that I once had, because it can't be reopened unless I turn up at the branch bank in person. Otherwise, there is only one other country (happily in the EU, so fairly useful) where I can open a bank account without establishing residence, and that is because my father was born there and I am regarded as a citizen merely by applying for a passport. I suppose there are some dodgy countries where this isn't true, but for most of the world, everything changed after September 11, 2001.

Good luck! -- NJ

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Marcelo Perlin

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Re: Alternatives to Payoneer
Posted: May 8, 2017 4:18 AM   in response to: Notjohn in response to: Notjohn
 
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Thanks John,

I read in some posts that it is possible to open an account in the US just with the passport. I haven't confirmed it though. I'll read some more and, perhaps, try it.

It is sad that international authors don't have the proper support from Amazon. They could setup something with paypal or perhaps pay royalty in bitcon. Anything that makes it easier for people outside of US to get paid. I once worked with checks and it is a nightmare, at least in my country.

I'll keep this post updated with new info.

Best,
Marcelo Perlin

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Re: Alternatives to Payoneer
Posted: May 10, 2017 1:17 PM   in response to: Marcelo Perlin in response to: Marcelo Perlin
 
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AFter 30 min waiting, I got off the chat with a payoneer employee. This is the log:

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Daniel: Hello and welcome to Payoneer customer care! My name is Daniel and I would be happy to assist you! Please bear with me for a few moments while I pull up your information from our system. I will be right with you.
Marcelo Perlin: Hi
Marcelo Perlin: my account was rectenly blocked
Daniel: Hello Marcelo
Marcelo Perlin: i did not miss my password, and I'm not sure why it was blocked
Daniel: I understand you would like assistance in accessing your account.
Marcelo Perlin: yes, please unblock it
Daniel: Alright let's see what's going on here
Marcelo Perlin: ok
Daniel: oh I'm sorry
Marcelo Perlin: I'll wait, tanks
Daniel: Unfortunately your account is closed for undisclosed reasons.
Daniel: Undisclosed reasons means we cannot explain to you why it’s closed. This service will not be available for you to use anymore.
Daniel: You need to find a new payment method and do not try to create another account. Any new application with your details will be automatically declined.
Daniel has disconnected.

I'm not a scammer, haven't done anything wrong. It really sucks that I'll need to receive using checks. I can't even spend my royalties in Amazon itself!
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Re: Alternatives to Payoneer
Posted: May 14, 2017 4:31 PM   in response to: Marcela Martine... in response to: Marcela Martine...
 
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Marcela Martinez Millan wrote:
Does anyone know of alternatives ways of receiving EFT payments from the US?
I know about payoneer, are there another ones out there?
Thank you

https://www.leupay.eu/

I have not used this company but I researched a lot online and found a lot of positives about them from people using them. They are located in Malta and will give you bank accounts in Europe and I believe you can use the Euro bank account from them to get paid by Amazon. Not sure, just my thoughts though.

Pls do your research before going ahead with them.
Notjohn

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Re: Alternatives to Payoneer
Posted: May 15, 2017 2:28 AM   in response to: Marcelo Perlin in response to: Marcelo Perlin
 
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They could setup something with paypal or perhaps pay royalty in bitcon

Actually, Amazon has its own payments system, called -- Amazon Payments! (You probably haven't heard of it because no one uses it...)

I suspect the problem is a well-founded dread of the Internal Revenue Service. Smaller companies wouldn't get targeted because they aren't rich enough. Amazon is everybody's favorite pinata -- witness the EU's various money grabs over the years.

Good luck! -- NJ

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