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Ralph E Vaughan

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Re: KDP vs Createspace for print book
Posted: Dec 25, 2016 7:33 AM   in response to: Philip  Raby in response to: Philip Raby
 
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At the moment, KDP Print has no advantage over CreateSpace. The one advantage that most people cite with confidence is having your accounting and royalties info on a single page, but since you trade CreateSpace's 30-day payment schedule for KDP's 60-day schedule, as well as KDP's inability to provide complete (from the beginning and YTD) accounting info, it's not really a clear advantage.

Some of the things I can do with CreateSpace, but not KDP Print:

  • Upload a formatted Word document
  • See a PDF conversion that specifically notes any problems with quality or format
  • Submit a wraparound cover as a jpeg (don't have to worry about spine...it's automatic)
  • Proof an actual copy
  • Order copies at cost
  • Have extended distribution (25% of my print income)
  • See sales and earnings information per title from the beginning
  • Speak directly with CreateSpace agents when asking for help
10blade

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Re: KDP vs Createspace for print book
Posted: Dec 25, 2016 11:48 AM   in response to: Donald Desaulni... in response to: Donald Desaulni...
 
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Donald,

If you're still following this thread, can you give me an idea of the cost of printing with Kindle? I've only used Create Space so far. The books themselves were not expensive to print, but the import duties seemed a bit hefty. (We're both in Canada, that's why I ask.) I imagine the import duties would be the same with the Kindle option, though.

Regards, and a Merry Christmas!

Veronica
Donna St Felix

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Re: KDP vs Createspace for print book
Posted: Dec 25, 2016 11:54 AM   in response to: 10blade in response to: 10blade
 
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10blade wrote:
Donald,

If you're still following this thread, can you give me an idea of the cost of printing with Kindle? I've only used Create Space so far. The books themselves were not expensive to print, but the import duties seemed a bit hefty. (We're both in Canada, that's why I ask.) I imagine the import duties would be the same with the Kindle option, though.


I'm not Donald ... but: there is no printing cost. There is a delivery fee.
See this link and scroll the page: https://kdp.amazon.com/help?topicId=A29FL26OKE7R7B
MR R J LAIDLER

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Re: KDP vs Createspace for print book
Posted: Dec 25, 2016 12:11 PM   in response to: 10blade in response to: 10blade
 
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The printing costs for Kindle Print Beta are shown here: https://kdp.amazon.com/help?topicId=ATZHCE8PIQQR5
Sadly, there is no mention of CA so I guess you will still have to import from the USA. I have a book made on this system, but printed in the UK I believe, as that is where I am. On the Kindle store it is only listed in the USA, UK and a few other European countries and Japan. Still no CA. :(

Print Beta pricing is a bit odd. The link given above will allow you to work out the printing cost but you then have to divide this by 0.6 to get a Minimum Selling Price. You cannot sell the book for less than this figure but it will give you zippo royalties. To get these you increase your selling price but you still only get 60% of the difference between your actual selling price and the minimum selling price.
Alex Ryan

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Re: KDP vs Createspace for print book
Posted: Dec 25, 2016 1:04 PM   in response to: MR R J LAIDLER in response to: MR R J LAIDLER
 
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Or, stated another way, you get 60% of the sale price minus the printing cost. It's easier to work out the math on a spreadsheet but when your 60% cut equals the printing cost, that is when you earn zero and that is how the minimum sale price is set.

Zon will not give up any of its print cost (fair and understandable) nor will it give up any of its minimum royalty (understandable yes, fair not quite so much.)

I would prefer they give me the 40% cut of the book, net, after printing costs have been deducted up front.
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Re: KDP vs Createspace for print book
Posted: Jan 15, 2017 6:23 AM   in response to: Philip  Raby in response to: Philip Raby
 
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Can anybody figure out which program--KDP paperback or Create Space--is a better deal for the author?
Carol Menges

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Re: KDP vs Createspace for print book
Posted: Jan 16, 2017 10:05 AM   in response to: George Garrigues in response to: George Garrigues
 
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No, they're different. Although CreateSpace is owned by Amazon, they're two sides of the same coin but they have different ways of doing things. Like someone else here said, it took a bit to figure out how to use it--but that was before I realized CreateSpace has ready-willing-and-able agents on the phone day or night who are kind, patient and willing to walk me through whatever my problem is. I wouldn't want to switch, so I hope that won't someday become necessary.
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Re: KDP vs Createspace for print book
Posted: Jan 16, 2017 10:06 AM   in response to: jimdefilippi in response to: jimdefilippi
 
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My two cents: CreateSpace by a mile.
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Re: KDP vs Createspace for print book
Posted: Jan 16, 2017 10:29 AM   in response to: Ralph E Vaughan in response to: Ralph E Vaughan
 
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I'm getting ready to publish my first book, and have it set up in Createspace for the print version, and KDP for the kindle. But I saw the paperback option in Amazon and thought that was how I was to link my Createspace paperbacks to my Amazon account. I quickly found that wasn't the case and did not complete the process, since I didn't want to transfer my paperback from Createspace to KDP (the only option it gives you). However it won't now let me delete the paperback option I started in KDP (it just says "continue process").

Is that going to screw up my listing my Createspace paperback on Amazon? (I'm not even sure how that was supposed to work in the first place, but I assumed that since Createspace is an Amazon product, there would be an option at the end when I hit 'publish' or something.)
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Re: KDP vs Createspace for print book
Posted: Jan 16, 2017 11:29 AM   in response to: Barbara in response to: Barbara
 
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Barbara wrote:
I'm getting ready to publish my first book, and have it set up in Createspace for the print version, and KDP for the kindle. But I saw the paperback option in Amazon and thought that was how I was to link my Createspace paperbacks to my Amazon account. I quickly found that wasn't the case and did not complete the process, since I didn't want to transfer my paperback from Createspace to KDP (the only option it gives you). However it won't now let me delete the paperback option I started in KDP (it just says "continue process").

Is that going to screw up my listing my Createspace paperback on Amazon? (I'm not even sure how that was supposed to work in the first place, but I assumed that since Createspace is an Amazon product, there would be an option at the end when I hit 'publish' or something.)


It shouldn't be a problem. You haven't published it.
Josef Peeters

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Re: KDP vs Createspace for print book
Posted: Jan 16, 2017 12:43 PM   in response to: Philip  Raby in response to: Philip Raby
 
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Allow me to shed some light on this issue. KDP will be merging/taking over POD production from CS in the future. At present, there is no clear timeline for the merge/takeover. I believe the goal is for KDP to mirror most, if not all, of CS's functions without bugs before it takes effect. Meantime, most CS users are content with using their facilities. I am not looking forward to being moved to KDP for my print books. Many CS members are looking to move their titles to IS before the merge takes place. Apparently IS have greater appeal for someone in Australia like me, as they have closer print facilities. Unfortunately, with IS, there is a set-up fee of $49 per book and a $26 revision fee, whereas CS is free. It pays to wait for IS to have a promotion when they they waiver the set-up fee. I am totally satisfied with CS procedures and quality. Their step by step guide is practically idiot proof. I use their Cover Creator with my own pics and am grateful for it, as I am not a designer. I would not advise trying both out with their respective free ISBNs.
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Re: KDP vs Createspace for print book
Posted: Jan 16, 2017 1:56 PM   in response to: Philip  Raby in response to: Philip Raby
 
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I've got one novel in CreateSpace and three series episodes in paperback now using the KDP method. Which is better? I found the new KDP process to be easier. You do have to pay full price for a proof. The resulting books look just as good to me as the one I created in CreateSpace. I wasn't going to bother with paperbacks on my series until I made a Omnibus version, but this looked so easy that I decided to give it a try. The Cover Creator works better for me than what CreateSpace required. The biggest problem with Print on Demand is price, IMHO. My last one is about 380 pages and I priced it at $10.99, so I don't expect to sell many. That gives me about $1.30 in royalty, which is quite a bit less than the ebook or the KU payout. I can't address the issues with selling these outside of Amazon.
Alex Ryan

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Re: KDP vs Createspace for print book
Posted: Jan 16, 2017 2:41 PM   in response to: Robert Boren in response to: Robert Boren
 
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Same here, I make a higher margin on a $3.99 ebook than I do a $9.99 paperback, but for most fiction, ebooks are going to sell better anyway. I put mine in print more to have credibility than an expectation of sales. That said, I have sold a few print versions.
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Re: KDP vs Createspace for print book
Posted: Jan 31, 2017 6:12 AM   in response to: Philip  Raby in response to: Philip Raby
 
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Philip Raby wrote:
I'm confused.

I understand that Createspace is for creating a print book and KDP for eBooks. However, once I have published an eBook on KDP, I get the option of creating a print book via the KDP platform. At first glance, this looks identical to the Createspace service but on the KDP website.

Is there any advantage in using Createspace over KDP for creating a print book?

Thanks

Phil


Do you know about Lulu?
Maybe you have heard about them. They do have both paperback and eBook publishing tools on one platform.

On the other hand, Amazon owns both KDP and CS, so they have considered putting them into one platform, just as Lulu and others have done.
There is no conflict, since these are sister companies with their parent company being the same Amazon.

Yes, for me the advantage is to work in one place, with one single login details.
I now put all my 37 books in one folder, on my computer, to help me make changes easily in one place.

But, this doesn't mean everyone will do the same thing as I have done.
As usual, many seem to have issues here, using the new platform.
But this is obvious to humans. We first have issues, then we learn our way through it all.

You can compare CS and KDP functions here: https://kdp.amazon.com/help?topicId=A1KVZXJFW9L4OY

John Monyjok Maluth
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Mandy

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Re: KDP vs Createspace for print book
Posted: Feb 28, 2017 7:50 PM   in response to: Josef Peeters in response to: Josef Peeters
 
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Hi Josef

I'm also in Australia and wonder if you could please clarify what you mean with IS? Thanks

"Apparently IS have greater appeal for someone in Australia like me, as they have closer print facilities. Unfortunately, with IS, there is a set-up fee of $49 per book and a $26 revision fee"

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