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nili portugali

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Posted: Jan 3, 2017 12:36 PM
 
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Dear Author

Out of your experience, Is there a way to fully guarantee the protection of a book in Kindle (ebook) from downloading parts of it by the readers the book

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Nili

Edited by: nili portugali on Jan 3, 2017 12:36 PM
Joseph M Erhardt

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Posted: Jan 3, 2017 1:13 PM   in response to: nili portugali in response to: nili portugali
 
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No.

If push comes to shove, a very deter*mined person could always do screen captures of each page on the screen of their PC, run character-recognition software against the captures and glean your text that way.

So, most of us don't worry about piracy.

The only time any action is required is if KDP comes back at you and says your work is available elsewhere on the net. When that happens, a DMCA take-down demand often works.
MR R J LAIDLER

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Posted: Jan 3, 2017 1:14 PM   in response to: nili portugali in response to: nili portugali
 
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If someone wants to copy a book they can. For example, using Kindle for Android I can select a page of text and copy it to the clipboard. I can then paste that into a blank document. Time-consuming but quite possible to copy the whole book a page at a time.
The real question is why would someone want to do this? It won't be worth the effort unless you have written a best seller and if you have, you can afford the lawyers to have the copies taken down.
Ralph E Vaughan

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Posted: Jan 3, 2017 1:19 PM   in response to: nili portugali in response to: nili portugali
 
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nili portugali wrote:
Dear Author

Out of your experience, Is there a way to fully guarantee the protection of a book in Kindle (ebook) from downloading parts of it by the readers the book

Thanks
Nili

Edited by: nili portugali on Jan 3, 2017 12:36 PM


Yes, absolutely...don't publish it. Otherwise, you're out of luck.
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Posted: Jan 3, 2017 1:58 PM   in response to: nili portugali in response to: nili portugali
 
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It depends on what you mean by - parts of it (your eBook). Are you referring to the free sample? if so, There is absolutely nothing you can do about a person downloading the same and giving it to others or uploading to another site. It is a free sample. Excluded of any copyright laws. Free samples come under - Fair Use.

Copyright Law and Digital Copyright Laws are different, but are the same in many aspects. For instance. Just before Christmas, I received an email, informing me a customer in Canada was going to sell his digital copy of a Title of mine... I knew, under digital copyright laws, I had no comeback on that. As long as he was informing me, he was following the digital copyright laws to the "T".

I replied saying I hope he enjoyed the eBook and hoped him the best in selling it. I also included five points in my email:

1, Thanking him for informing me of the legal sale of the eBook. By law, he can only sell one (1) copy of the eBook.
2, After the sale has gone ahead: he is required by law: Remove every bit or shred of the eBook from his computer or device (including files and software).
3, Destroy every hardcopy or digital backup he has made of the Digital files (eBook) from any, all of the files.
4, Destroy any related photoshop, Gimp or similar iNovaFX files, he may have on his computer, hard drive and digital device.
5, Destroy any record of serial numbers, upgrade or side grade purchases he may have made, any upgrade privileges by the retailers, do not transfer with the sale.

In accordance with Digital Copyright Laws. as long as he abided with these terms and conditions. His sale of my eBook was legal.
Jonathan B

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Posted: Jan 3, 2017 6:43 PM   in response to: mixus in response to: mixus
 
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mixus wrote:
I replied saying I hope he enjoyed the eBook and hoped him the best in selling it. I also included five points in my email:

1, Thanking him for informing me of the legal sale of the eBook. By law, he can only sell one (1) copy of the eBook.
2, After the sale has gone ahead: he is required by law: Remove every bit or shred of the eBook from his computer or device (including files and software).
3, Destroy every hardcopy or digital backup he has made of the Digital files (eBook) from any, all of the files.
4, Destroy any related photoshop, Gimp or similar iNovaFX files, he may have on his computer, hard drive and digital device.
5, Destroy any record of serial numbers, upgrade or side grade purchases he may have made, any upgrade privileges by the retailers, do not transfer with the sale.

In accordance with Digital Copyright Laws. as long as he abided with these terms and conditions. His sale of my eBook was legal.


Interesting. Learn something new every day.

I doubt I will ever have much of an issue with this, but you never know.
cdalebrittain

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Posted: Jan 3, 2017 8:31 PM   in response to: nili portugali in response to: nili portugali
 
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I think a lot of authors worry too much about their books being stolen--which, as NJ has pointed out, is ironic given how many (one hopes not the same ones!) want to give their books away for free.

Sure, piracy is bad stuff and easier in our digital age than it ever used to be, but it will never be snuffed out. In the Olden Days of print, someone could (at least theoretically) prop a book up beside the typewriter, type away, and claim the resulting MS as his original work.
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Posted: Jan 4, 2017 1:29 AM   in response to: cdalebrittain in response to: cdalebrittain
 
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cdalebrittain wrote:
I think a lot of authors worry too much about their books being stolen--which, as NJ has pointed out, is ironic given how many (one hopes not the same ones!) want to give their books away for free.

Sure, piracy is bad stuff and easier in our digital age than it ever used to be, but it will never be snuffed out. In the Olden Days of print, someone could (at least theoretically) prop a book up beside the typewriter, type away, and claim the resulting MS as his original work.


I run into the same question in the art world as an artist. "How do I keep the images of my paintings from being stolen and copied?" Short answer, you don't. Then I always tell them they can start advertising their art as so good that it is stolen by art thieves all over the world.
Notjohn

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Posted: Jan 4, 2017 2:46 AM   in response to: mixus in response to: mixus
 
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Was your book DRM'ed? Wouldn't Amazon want to know about that?

Good luck! -- NJ

The book: Notjohn's Guide to E-Book Formatting (revised and updated for 2017)

The blog: http://notjohnkdp.blogspot.com
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Posted: Jan 4, 2017 5:40 AM   in response to: nili portugali in response to: nili portugali
 
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nili portugali wrote:
Dear Author

Out of your experience, Is there a way to fully guarantee the protection of a book in Kindle (ebook) from downloading parts of it by the readers the book

Thanks
Nili

Edited by: nili portugali on Jan 3, 2017 12:36 PM


There's no way for anyone to download parts of a book. Only the sample is available to view in the Look Inside and/or as a downloadable sample. About 10% of the text is available (the very first part of the file, no ability to chose what gets downloaded/viewed).

I don't agree that this sample is exempt from copyright, nor that it falls under fair use. The owner of the copyright is protected by law for all portions of the work, and fair use is properly applied as small excerpts used under very restricted circumstances.
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Posted: Jan 19, 2017 10:07 PM   in response to: nili portugali in response to: nili portugali
 
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With the 20/20 vision of hindsight, I realize I should have trusted my gut instinct about someone in my life. She insisted on giving my book to a pirate (or maybe she was the pirate?) She ignored my protests, such as "I'm the author, I want/need to be in control of my book," and "I signed a contract with Amazon, and I take legal contracts seriously." My book was pirated before it was properly launched.

Anyhow, that's in the past. Lesson learned.

Edited by: Carol Read on Nov 27, 2017 9:24 PM
Florrie Person

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Posted: Jan 20, 2017 12:14 AM   in response to: Carol Read in response to: Carol Read
 
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Don't you just love those people who insist they know best no matter how many times you tell them? It's an insult to my intelligence, people who offer to do something you really don't want them to do and they say things like: 'no, no, it's no trouble'.

Unfortunately once you publish it is out there in the world.
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Re: guarantee the protection of a book from downloading
Posted: Nov 27, 2017 9:47 PM   in response to: Carol Read in response to: Carol Read
 
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Carol Read wrote:
With the 20/20 vision of hindsight, I realize I should have trusted my gut instinct about someone in my life. She insisted on giving my book to a pirate (or maybe she was the pirate?) She ignored my protests, such as "I'm the author, I want/need to be in control of my book," and "I signed a contract with Amazon, and I take legal contracts seriously." My book was pirated before it was properly launched.

Anyhow, that's in the past. Lesson learned.

Edited by: Carol Read on Nov 27, 2017 9:24 PM

I confess this post of yours has probably confuddled me more than most, in the last year. Why on EARTH would you let someone you know deliberately give your book to a pirate? I mean...there are days when I wonder if people really understand what piracy IS. "Pirates" as the term is used, on the Net, are people who take things, without paying for them. They'll take your book, upload it to a server on the Darknet, and then anyone else who visits that same site/server can download the uploaded book, for free. Pirates don't earn money, from stealing; it's typically an "information should be FREE!" sort of approach--that type of uber-naive "your private property should be mine, just because I want it" crap.

(Truthfully, being "pirated" is like those brochures and other handouts that you see in doctor's offices. Someone comes by, hands them to the office manager (the Darknet Server, basically), and she makes them available in their waiting room. (The Darknet Server's URL). If Jane or Frank or Fred comes by, and sees the brochure there, and feels like grabbing it, they take it. If not, they don't. That's about the gist of it. Nothing more to it--nothing more glamorous, or sexy, or "pirate-y" or anything like that.)

I've spoken with scores--literally--of authors who thought that pirates would take their book and resell it somehow, or package it, rename it, retitle it, and ditto--make money from their work. (I'd posit that it's more likely that someone would just take your core plot and rewrite the book, but...whatever.)

But pirates don't earn a dime from piracy. They just keep you from earning that dime. They also primarily cater to a demographic that ALSO steals content. I mean, your typical visitor to a Darknet site isn't going to drop over to Amazon and buy your book, either, to be realistic. I'm not saying that there aren't a few documented cases of some frustrated author lifting someone else's story, nearly intact, and indeed, repackaging it on Amazon. But truth be told, they could do that when books were in print, as well. Nothing to stop it, other than a legal case.

Anyway, back to this post--what on earth did your friend or (whatever) say to you, to convince you that the book should be on a darknet server? Did she convince you that somehow, this would lead to the book becoming wildly popular and thus a bestseller?

Also, just because the book was "pirated" doesn't really mean anything. It could be sitting on a darknet server with precisely ZERO downloads. There's no actual meaning to it. It doesn't mean that you can't sell the book; it doesn't affect legitimate buyers of your book. The typical Amazon buyer isn't going to stop before pushing "buy now" on Amazon, and cruise over to a Darknet server with a Tor Onion router. It's just...two completely different marketplaces.

Good luck. Really...I don't know what you did, after your friend loaded your book to that server, but...you should forget about it. 99.99% of the time, having your book "pirated" truly amounts to nothing. No big publicity, no huge loss of revenue, etc. Just...ignore it. Blow it off, and keep on keepin' on, as they say.

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