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Jonathan B

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Re: Preorders - pros and cons
Posted: Feb 17, 2017 11:09 AM   in response to: acornwriter in response to: acornwriter
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acornwriter wrote:
. I see others on here, it's like watching an olympic athlete run. They wonder why we don't do it. It's because we can't. It may seem easy to you but it is impossible for us.

Nice analogy.
Brad the writer

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Re: Preorders - pros and cons
Posted: Feb 17, 2017 11:31 AM   in response to: acornwriter in response to: acornwriter
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This is a response to the last few posts, not to acornwriter specifically.

'Success' is a very risky word to use. It can be broadly interpreted and in many different ways. Is $100 a month successful? Some people would be quite happy getting that from their book sales. Others, not so much. $100 a month or even a week wouldn't be worth the time spent on writing, editing, proofing, cover art, promoting, etc, for some writers.

Only about 1% of indie writers make a grand or more per month on a consistent basis. That's great. For the people making $10 a month, or are just looking for the occasional sale, they need to adjust their definition of success so it is a little more reality-based than the get rich quick concept so many people have. Writing a compelling story, having it edited and proofread, and putting out a quality product, and then recouping the cost of all that in sales can be viewed as a milestone of sorts in success. There is no shortage of failures in Amazon's sales pages. There are also many good books to read there that just don't get many sales. I think those can be considered successful, even if the author isn't making much money on them.

Reaching beyond our grasp is great, as long as that reach is still within the realm of reality. Learning about the craft of writing, learning about the industry of publishing, and putting in the hard work with combining the two is the best way of finding some success at selling books. Just like everything else in life.

Okay, who's next on the soapbox?
Jonathan B

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Re: Preorders - pros and cons
Posted: Feb 17, 2017 11:53 AM   in response to: Brad the writer in response to: Brad the writer
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Brad the writer wrote:
This is a response to the last few posts, not to acornwriter specifically.

'Success' is a very risky word to use. It can be broadly interpreted and in many different ways. Is $100 a month successful? Some people would be quite happy getting that from their book sales. Others, not so much. $100 a month or even a week wouldn't be worth the time spent on writing, editing, proofing, cover art, promoting, etc, for some writers


This. "Success" doesn't even have to be on a financial basis. It could be simply the joy of writing and having anyone read the work. It could be having that paperback with your name on it on the shelf.

Only about 1% of indie writers make a grand or more per month on a consistent basis. That's great. For the people making $10 a month, or are just looking for the occasional sale, they need to adjust their definition of success so it is a little more reality-based than the get rich quick concept so many people have. Writing a compelling story, having it edited and proofread, and putting out a quality product, and then recouping the cost of all that in sales can be viewed as a milestone of sorts in success. There is no shortage of failures in Amazon's sales pages. There are also many good books to read there that just don't get many sales. I think those can be considered successful, even if the author isn't making much money on them.

Absolutely.

Reaching beyond our grasp is great, as long as that reach is still within the realm of reality. Learning about the craft of writing, learning about the industry of publishing, and putting in the hard work with combining the two is the best way of finding some success at selling books. Just like everything else in life.

Okay, who's next on the soapbox?


Getting crowded up on here. :)
La Venta West

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Re: Preorders - pros and cons
Posted: Feb 17, 2017 11:55 AM   in response to: splinteredmind in response to: splinteredmind
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Preorders can be a great opportunity to market your book ahead of time. If, and only if, as others have said, you are organized and have a strategy. It can also be a great way to feel a little more professional about the whole process of indie publishing.

I used preorders as a means of marketing the third novel in my series and definitely saw a nice boost in ratings that first day that continued on for some time. However, I coupled it with a print book giveaway on Goodreads that ran for the month before publication and ended the day before the book was released. I also emailed my mailing list with tidbits about the book to entice them to pre-buy, and promoted it across my social media platforms. At the same time, I ran an eBook giveaway of the first novel in the series that ended a few days before the new book was released.

I also hired a beta reader and solicited honest reviews in exchange for a free copy so that when the book came out I immediately had a couple of reviews on Goodreads and Amazon. This is where having a series / multiple books, and a social media presence is really useful.

This is the process of most big publishers, and I think it can be very effective if done right.

Other bonuses is that it pushes you to get through the editing and writing before the deadline, and personally I felt like I had a more polished product as a result of the extended process.

The downside is that if you want to get your book out right away, and have readers waiting for it, this is a longer process.

On the other hands, something to be aware of:
You have to upload your FINAL copy a little ways ahead of the release, so you have to be sure that your copy is free of errors, grammatically correct, formatted properly, etc. If not, all those people who pre-ordered will get ugly copies, they may leave bad reviews, and you risk being like many others who come here and complain how it wasn't your fault, etc...

acornwriter

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Re: Preorders - pros and cons
Posted: Feb 17, 2017 12:25 PM   in response to: La Venta West in response to: La Venta West
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There you go. La Venta West makes my point. She just flew past me on the track. Makes me exhausted just reading all that she did. That said, I have cultivated a small following. It is a lot of fun. Probably more fun than the craziness that goes with being a bestseller. As long as I'm selling books, I feel successful.

Note to the Indie Olympic athletes:
Keep sharing what you do, we get ideas and contrary to what I said, we do use them. Just not all of them.
La Venta West

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Re: Preorders - pros and cons
Posted: Feb 17, 2017 4:32 PM   in response to: acornwriter in response to: acornwriter
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Lol, @acornwriter, if it's any consolation, the next book in the series I just slapped up because I was so far behind in finishing it I just wanted to get it out ;) It still sold decently thanks to the little following I've built up, but the roll-out was definitely less pro, it took longer to get the word out, and there was less hype around it.

Next time I'll try to be more organized again. At the very least it gives one a sense of accomplishment to be more like the big leagues, and it can definitely provide more exposure.

One of these days, if I'm feeling really daring and my following seems big enough, I might even try an online book launch party the day the preorder gets released...
Traveler321

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Re: Preorders - pros and cons
Posted: Feb 17, 2017 7:43 PM   in response to: splinteredmind in response to: splinteredmind
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If it's your first major book don't do it, so many things can go wrong. My book launch was a disaster. I am selling now after fixing all the issues that came up. There is so much to know to do this right. I just got the paperback done correctly, that took a month like I predicted. It came out great. I went through three book descriptions, all my fault but the best one took me that long to figure out. Even the paperback book cover, if you do that, is no piece of cake. If you change the font it changes the page count and you have to do it all over again.

If i do another book I might consider a preorder. But it would have to be something I was sure i could deliver on.
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