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booknookbiz

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Re: Admin Function - Sharing Access Securely
Posted: May 17, 2017 10:57 PM   in response to: roadturn in response to: roadturn
 
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roadturn wrote:
The further this goes, the weirder it gets.

If I have an account, let's say a Facebook page, and I need help managing it... I can appoint an administrator and give him a separate login. I could, instead, give him my login credentials, but I don't need to.

The way KDP is set up, it doesn't appear there is a way to extend administrative privileges -- thereby forcing authors to either figure it out themselves or give their admin the login info for their Amazon account.

It makes no sense to me, whatsoever. I came here, hoping to find an answer. Rather, I've been ridiculed and called a felon.

I'm either missing something really obvious, Amazon has provided a way to let someone manage KDP accounts for others and nobody, thus far, know what it is, or I've entered the Twilight Zone.


Publishers manage books for other people. That's what they do. With regard to Social Media, typically, most of what's being managed is content--not contracts. Are you absolutely sure that you, as simply an admin, are able to enter into, say, advertising contracts for Party X, on Facebook? And if so, then I would say that you can expect that Zuckerberg's lawyers made sure that somewhere, someplace, in the admin appointment terms and conditions, in the small print, it states that the person who appointed the admin is legally authorized to enter into contracts and bind the Facebook account holder, for the same reasons that Amazon has this language in their T&C.

It's law. You want to think that it's somehow bizarre, or whatever, go ahead and think that, but given that Amazon legally cannot just let John Doe bind John Smith to their contract, WITHOUT a special Power of Attorney, how do you suggest that they solve this? Seriously. I'm asking. I mean, sure, they could just allow it, but then, none of the contracts "signed" by you (by pushing the "save and publish" button) would be legally valid. You think that sounds like a good idea? Let's say some dispute arises, over royalties--some guy dies, and his family says that Amazon didn't pay him anything. Then what? Amazon could say, if they wished (I'm not saying that they would; it's hypothetical) that the contract never existed, and that the publisher knowingly violated their T&C, and voided the contract. Who's that help? Given that you say you're repping seniors, how unlikely a scenario is that?

Just draft up a Special POA. You can probably get a cheap one from LegalZoom. Your clients don't have to get an attorney; they can sign it with a simple notary. YES, it's inconvenient. It's inconvenient when I ask a client to do it. But that's the way to do it, if you want to do the work legally. I'm not crazy about it, either, but from my perspective, I'm not risking my business, or having someone's heirs or devisees mad at me, over royalty money--because, that's what we're talking about here, money. And Contract law in the USA.

Whatever. Do what you will. I didn't intend to get into some debate on it. That's what is in the T&C; I told you, and anyone who comes along later. What you do--that's up to you.

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Notjohn

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Re: Admin Function - Sharing Access Securely
Posted: May 18, 2017 2:39 AM   in response to: roadturn in response to: roadturn
 
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I'm either missing something really obvious, Amazon has provided a way to let someone manage KDP accounts for others and nobody, thus far, know what it is, or I've entered the Twilight Zone.

Yes, you're missing the fact that an account on the KDP platform is a publisher's account. I'm sure there are KDP accounts owned by individuals who publish books for others, because I've seen their posts here in the past. As I suggested days ago, you are putting yourself in legal jeopardy by pretending to be somebody else, where money is involved. Hitch has suggested getting a limited power of attorney; that's a way to protect yourself. That's certainly worth investigating.

Otherwise, set up your own KDP account! Incorporate! Run a business that takes in manuscripts here and uploads them as book files there. Receive the royalties, pay them out, keep records, file 1099-MISC forms at the end of the year.

(I hasten to add that I don't KNOW there are any such publishers at the moment, only that there have been in the past.)

Good luck! -- NJ

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Joseph M Erhardt

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Re: Admin Function - Sharing Access Securely
Posted: May 18, 2017 4:45 PM   in response to: booknookbiz in response to: booknookbiz
 
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booknookbiz wrote:
Joseph M Erhardt wrote:
Just stumbled onto this thread. What a weird thread! I can't see how authorizing someone, as your agent, to work your account for you is providing your log*in & pas*sword to a "third party," as your agent would be acting, legally, as you. Note: You may need to provide a "limited power of attorney" for this, but it certainly should be legal.

Is there a shark in the house who'd care to chime in?

Joseph:

As I told the OP, already, yes, a Special (limited) POA will work fine. The POA should expressly authorize the "other" individual to log in, and bind the publisher to the conract(s). And yes, before anyone gets up on their hind legs, YES, a real live IP/Internet/contract law specialist looked into this, and I discussed it with Amazon directly. Because we are asked near-daily to do uploading for clients, so of course, I looked into it, in DETAIL.

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Old eyes. Missed that. :)

Thanks.

booknookbiz

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Re: Admin Function - Sharing Access Securely
Posted: May 19, 2017 12:17 PM   in response to: Joseph M Erhardt in response to: Joseph M Erhardt
 
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Joseph M Erhardt wrote:
booknookbiz wrote:
Joseph M Erhardt wrote:
Just stumbled onto this thread. What a weird thread! I can't see how authorizing someone, as your agent, to work your account for you is providing your log*in & pas*sword to a "third party," as your agent would be acting, legally, as you. Note: You may need to provide a "limited power of attorney" for this, but it certainly should be legal.

Is there a shark in the house who'd care to chime in?

Joseph:

As I told the OP, already, yes, a Special (limited) POA will work fine. The POA should expressly authorize the "other" individual to log in, and bind the publisher to the conract(s). And yes, before anyone gets up on their hind legs, YES, a real live IP/Internet/contract law specialist looked into this, and I discussed it with Amazon directly. Because we are asked near-daily to do uploading for clients, so of course, I looked into it, in DETAIL.

Hitch
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Old eyes. Missed that. :)

Thanks.

Joseph:

Sorry. Re-reading this today, I sounded cranky, and that wasn't my intention. Wasn't remotely cranky with YOU. Sorry for how it sounded. I was trying to make clear that I'd paid good money, on this topic, for legal advice, not really addressing you, but that other poster. You are absolutely, 100% right. People should always consult legal counsel, on something like this, whether they think that they need it--or not.

Hitch
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Joseph M Erhardt

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Re: Admin Function - Sharing Access Securely
Posted: May 19, 2017 1:51 PM   in response to: booknookbiz in response to: booknookbiz
 
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No problem. I didn't take offense.

Actually, I didn't even notice the crankiness. :)
booknookbiz

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Re: Admin Function - Sharing Access Securely
Posted: May 19, 2017 3:50 PM   in response to: Joseph M Erhardt in response to: Joseph M Erhardt
 
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Joseph M Erhardt wrote:
No problem. I didn't take offense.

Actually, I didn't even notice the crankiness. :)


Lol,

That could mean two different things--either it wasn't as cranky as I thought, or I'm always cranky. :-)

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roadturn

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Re: Admin Function - Sharing Access Securely
Posted: Jul 7, 2017 12:25 PM   in response to: booknookbiz in response to: booknookbiz
 
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For Facebook, the author makes me a manager for his account. Same for Google AdWords.

From there, I can manage his advertising through my own dashboard. It's the same for Amazon ads.

For KDP, I write the descriptions and set up Select campaigns, etc.

My question is about why not allow me to do those things without signing in on another person's account. I really figured that must be set up and I'm just missing it.

No idea this would turn into such a firestorm.

I don't want to manage my clients' banking accounts... only to help promote their books.
Ward Rogers

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Re: Admin Function - Sharing Access Securely
Posted: Jul 8, 2017 10:24 AM   in response to: roadturn in response to: roadturn
 
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Pretty sure you're talking to an empty room, mate.
roadturn

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Re: Admin Function - Sharing Access Securely
Posted: Jul 8, 2017 10:26 AM   in response to: Ward Rogers in response to: Ward Rogers
 
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This whole time, Ward... thank you.
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