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inyun

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Sales held back?
Posted: Jan 12, 2012 9:35 PM
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Just sent this off to Amazon'

Just compared two of my novels in sales ranking.

Mercenaries of Earth "The Fountain of Youth Contract" has sold over fifty books with Amazon and has a sales rank of 259,182

The Hospice Killer "Final justice" has sold ONLY two books and one was returned. It has a rank of 252,679. A lower ranking than a book that has outsold it 50 to 1. How is this possible?
inyun

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Re: Sales held back?
Posted: Jan 12, 2012 11:57 PM   in response to: inyun in response to: inyun
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Would a sales ranking from B and N be combined with Amazons? That would explain the lower ranking if they do combine sales ranks of other distributors.
syana

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Re: Sales held back?
Posted: Jan 13, 2012 10:03 PM   in response to: inyun in response to: inyun
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Maybe the two books are in different categories?
martitalbott

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Re: Sales held back?
Posted: Jan 14, 2012 6:46 AM   in response to: inyun in response to: inyun
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B and N - if you mean Barnes and Noble, is a completely different company and is in direct competition with Amazon.
inyun

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Posted: Jan 14, 2012 8:35 AM   in response to: martitalbott in response to: martitalbott
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Thanks for answering. They are in different categories.

Somewhere in my readings I thought I saw where Amazon had a industry wide rating system, but I am not sure about it.
inyun

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Posted: Jan 14, 2012 9:22 AM   in response to: inyun in response to: inyun
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Have not heard back from Amazon staff. However my M of E novel now shows a ranking of 114,000. So I guess I can infer from this that Amazon's ranking system is not always accurate.
chapterwon

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Re: Sales held back?
Posted: Jan 14, 2012 11:39 PM   in response to: inyun in response to: inyun
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I'm no expert, but my sense is that those rankings are extremely sensitive to time. Every time a book sells, it shoots up in ranking. As sales slow (or stop), it slides back down.

In other words, the ranking is more indicative of recent sales than of total sales.

Also, new books tend to rank higher than older books because the time component with respect to new books is so small. If you sell one unit as soon as you list it, it will rank pretty high.
inyun

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Posted: Jan 15, 2012 9:22 AM   in response to: chapterwon in response to: chapterwon
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Thanks for input. The revenge novel is still a lower rank than the SciFi novel.

Sold three of the revenge novel and one returned.

Sold fifty-three of the ScFi with no returns.

Neither novel ever listed as free with Amazon. Puzzling.
dainfomaster

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Posted: Jan 15, 2012 12:43 PM   in response to: inyun in response to: inyun
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I remember that learning about ranking on Amazon back in 2000 I found out it is not a matter of simply number of books sold. Ranking has to do also with a upward or downward trend and acceleration of that trend. Also, thousands of books are published every day so the ranking of your book(s) is immediately affected by that fact alone and can gyrate wildly. Ranking is important for visibility, but until you get within a thousand or two, it's not going to do a lot for you. I'm not sure what the threshold is for the ranking to begin producing increased sales. When I published my first book it climbed to 254 in a week, but so what? The number of books sold was maybe a hundred. True, there were many fewer books back then on Amazon, but the principle remains the same. What really counts is how many books you sold and whether you are happy with the number and the the money they earn you or the amount of fame or recognition you get, if that's what you crave. ;-)
inyun

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Posted: Jan 15, 2012 5:16 PM   in response to: dainfomaster in response to: dainfomaster
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At my age there is little I crave. Just like to know how things affect what I do.
vlgallas

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Re: Sales held back?
Posted: Jan 15, 2012 5:30 PM   in response to: inyun in response to: inyun
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No, B&N wouldn't have anything to do with it. The sales rank in the Kindle store is related to all books in the Kindle store and not categories either.

This is odd and I look forward to reading the response, if you want to post it.
vlgallas

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Posted: Jan 15, 2012 5:35 PM   in response to: dainfomaster in response to: dainfomaster
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Exactly - It also relates to the sales during the hour when it was purchased and then sales later.

I do not think anyone has ever been able to fully figure out how Amazon sales ranks work. I have also seen it stuck, sometimes for weeks, and completely disappear as if no books were ever sold. There was a time (perhaps in late 2009 or early 2010) when they stopped ranking many categories.
inyun

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Posted: Jan 15, 2012 6:05 PM   in response to: vlgallas in response to: vlgallas
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Vigallas,

Got a reply today that they needed more time to look into it. My revenge novel now has a rank of about 160,000 with three books sold and one returned. That makes no sense at all. It should be up in the 400,000 or so.

ODD.
vlgallas

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Re: Sales held back?
Posted: Jan 15, 2012 6:11 PM   in response to: inyun in response to: inyun
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Hmmm... I have one that sold a few copies today and it is at 83,691 at this moment.

I have another that has sold copies over the last year - a 100 anyway, but not sure of how many - and a copy sold last week. Right now it is at 365,813.

Really it's all immaterial unless you're selling lots of books as someone else stated. It matters when you are in the top 1000.
inyun

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Posted: Jan 15, 2012 7:03 PM   in response to: vlgallas in response to: vlgallas
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Maybe THE REAL MILITARY WARTHOG IS MESSING WITH US.
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