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stephanielisatara

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Full or left justification for ebook format?
Posted: Jan 20, 2012 4:29 PM
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Anyone know? Full justified or left justified? Is there a standard? -thanks!
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Posted: Jan 20, 2012 4:40 PM   in response to: stephanielisatara in response to: stephanielisatara
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Left justified for eBooks.

Full justified for print books.
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Posted: Jan 20, 2012 6:05 PM   in response to: scribblr in response to: scribblr
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thank you!
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Re: Full or left justification for ebook format?
Posted: Jan 21, 2012 4:37 AM   in response to: scribblr in response to: scribblr
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Hi Scribblr,

Do your book comes out left justified? I thought that if you left the justification to the default in Word and HTML, which is left, then Kindles would automatically full-justify the text.

I know left-justify has sometimes been shown to be easier to read as we prefer the more natural flow, but just this week I was trying to help someone left justify part of his text in Word, and it's actually quite tricky to do, as Word seems to assume 'left is normal' therefore it doesn't need to save any left formatting - and Amazon then converted all that to justified.

Would love to know if you're left-justifying via HTML, or have you got Word to follow it through to the Kindle?

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Posted: Jan 21, 2012 5:55 AM   in response to: candescentpress in response to: candescentpress
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[i]Do your book comes out left justified? I thought that if you left the justification to the default in Word and HTML, which is left, then Kindles would automatically full-justify the text.

I know left-justify has sometimes been shown to be easier to read as we prefer the more natural flow, but just this week I was trying to help someone left justify part of his text in Word, and it's actually quite tricky to do, as Word seems to assume 'left is normal' therefore it doesn't need to save any left formatting - and Amazon then converted all that to justified.

Would love to know if you're left-justifying via HTML, or have you got Word to follow it through to the Kindle?[/i]

Yes, my books all come out left-justified with a ragged right edge. Take a look at the
'Look Inside' on this book:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B006M5BHMM/

I stopped uploading Word documents way back in 2008 because the results were so poor. I haven't uploaded a Word document since, until a few weeks ago when I was trying to help an author get her formatting straightened out. At that time I discovered that if you specify left-justify, the word conversion program full justifies the text as you would do for a printed book, and when I specified full-justify, I also got full justify, but I lost the first sentence indent, and the last line in the paragraph spreads out to fill the whole line, so I tell people to left-justify just so the indent in preserved and the last paragraph line doesn't look terrible.

I much prefer left justify with a ragged right edge. Full justify is fine for newspaper and magazine printing, because the columns are so narrow. With print books, it's done simply to make the page look more balanced, but the wider the page, the more difficult to read because you sometimes skip a line, or don't skip to the next line, when your eyes are traveling back to the left for the start of the next line.

I upload in HTML and I get the ragged right edge. I'm sure there are a few people who feel uncomfortable with a ragged right edge, but actually, it's very common. Almost every email program works like that, and authors are used to it from using Word and other word processing software. It used on every community board that I've seen, including this one.

I tried saving a word document to HTML and then uploading the web-filtered result, but I got the same thing as when you upload a Word document directly, so if you want a ragged right edge, I guess you'll have to tweak the code a bit. Actually, all I do is delete ALL the formatting for the paragraphs, and use a simple little css script with three lines. Where I want special formatting, I add the proper HTML tags if it's not one of the three I've defined.

I'm attaching two jpgs. The first shows the difference between the document Word gives you when you save to web-filtered HTML versus the code after I strip out all the formatting. The second jpg shows the css script I use and some examples on how to use it. I hope this helps you or someone else here. :-)

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Re: Full or left justification for ebook format?
Posted: Jan 21, 2012 12:29 PM   in response to: scribblr in response to: scribblr
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The default in Kindle is justified, and for good reason. People are not accustomed to seeing books (or magazines or newspapers, for that matter) with ragged right.

I haven't seen anyone else remark on the effect Scribblr mentions, about losing indents and having the last line spread out to the right margin.

However, I upload html documents. They are of course ragged right, and the KDP renders them justified.

(As a technical matter, "justification" refers to an even righthand margin. There really isn't any such thing as left justification. A document is either justified or ragged right in western countries.)
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Posted: Jan 21, 2012 12:36 PM   in response to: stephanielisatara in response to: stephanielisatara
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Full justification for eBooks, right justification for prints.
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Posted: Jan 21, 2012 12:42 PM   in response to: notjohn in response to: notjohn
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[i]There really isn't any such thing as left justification. A document is either justified or ragged right in western countries.[/i]

When you open the paragraph window in Word, you get four choices for the text: left, center, right, and justified. The same choices are available for the align option in HTML: LEFT, CENTER, RIGHT, and JUST. People usually refer to the choices as left-justified, centered, right-justified, and full-justified (meaning both left and right justified accomplished through spacing of the words and characters).

Since you upload in HTML, as I've done for years, it's understandable that you're not familiar with the problems I mentioned. Neither was I until recently. As to reports about them, I've seen a couple, but I hadn't experimented because I'm perfectly content with the system I use and I get exactly the effect I'm seeking. :-)
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Posted: Jan 21, 2012 12:45 PM   in response to: newyker in response to: newyker
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[i]Full justification for eBooks, right justification for prints.[/i]

If you prefer to lose your indentation on eBooks, that's up to you, but do you really want a jagged left edge in a print books?
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Posted: Jan 21, 2012 12:53 PM   in response to: notjohn in response to: notjohn
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[i]However, I upload html documents. They are of course ragged right, and the KDP renders them justified.[/i]

Yes, I was confused by this and I mentioned it in my post:

I tried saving a word document to HTML and then uploading the web-filtered result, but I got the same thing as when you upload a Word document directly, so if you want a ragged right edge, I guess you'll have to tweak the code a bit.



So I went to several of my books and opened them using the 'Look Inside' feature. All were jagged right. So-- the answer must lie with the simple CSS script I use. I can't think of any other reason why my uploaded manuscripts appear different than those of other HTML uploaders, unless the 'Look Inside' feature is showing the documents in a different style than the actual book. I think I'll go download a sample and see. :p
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Posted: Jan 21, 2012 1:00 PM   in response to: scribblr in response to: scribblr
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[i]I think I'll go download a sample and see.[/i]

I just downloaded a sample from my most recent book. The text is full-justified, even though the 'Look Inside' example shows it as left-justified with a ragged right edge. I apologize to everyone that I misled. My only excuse is that Amazon misled me with their inconsistency across platforms. :-(

But then that's what makes this forum so useful. We get to compare notes and figure out where we need to make adjustments to fix our problems, even when they are not OUR problems.

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Posted: Jan 21, 2012 4:36 PM   in response to: stephanielisatara in response to: stephanielisatara
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Anyone know? Full justified or left justified? Is
there a standard? -thanks!

yes the AMAZON Guide whose url we dare not utter here specifically says DEFAULT style for Normal Style except zap widows and orphan control.

that should give you a simple P once in html.

Kindle renders that as ITS default, ie RIGHT justified.

do your own thing at your peril or worse still follow the OPPOSITION guide by Coker.

all explained in book 1 below

Bible on wordtokindle [1] US - Bible on wordtokindle [2] US -
Bible on wordtokindle [1] UK - Bible on wordtokindle [2] UK

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Re: Full or left justification for ebook format?
Posted: Jan 21, 2012 5:05 PM   in response to: divorcedoctor in response to: divorcedoctor
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You are not supposed to try to sell anything to us here. Read the guidelines!
There is a report button for your violation.
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Re: Full or left justification for ebook format?
Posted: Jan 21, 2012 6:25 PM   in response to: scribblr in response to: scribblr
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The text is full-justified, even though the 'Look
Inside' example shows it as left-justified with a
ragged right edge. I apologize

well I thought everyone KNEW that

an html P gives right justified when rendered by Kindle ONLY

for a web browser as for Look Inside it is just normal ragged
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Re: Full or left justification for ebook format?
Posted: Jan 22, 2012 11:14 AM   in response to: divorcedoctor in response to: divorcedoctor
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Justified for e-books and paperbacks. Justified with indents - to start new paragraphs.
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