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Josef Peeters

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Scammers attacking KDP
Posted: Jul 16, 2017 11:31 PM
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Some interesting reading for everyone.

https://davidgaughran.wordpress.com/2017/07/15/scammers-break-the-kindle-store/

Now don't go blowing up at me if you already know about it or if you don't agree etc. Forum members here get a mite tetchy about almost anything. I'm just bringing it to the attention of anyone like me who didn't know.
chiranjeev singh

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Posted: Jul 17, 2017 6:38 AM   in response to: Josef Peeters in response to: Josef Peeters
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thanks for sharing.
treasure-box

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Re: Scammers attacking KDP
Posted: Jul 17, 2017 6:40 AM   in response to: Josef Peeters in response to: Josef Peeters
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Yes, it's a problem for writers It's much tougher to gain visibility than it used to be.Amazon seems to address the issues as they are brought to their attention, but they may not think it's a big problem for them since they still get paid. If decent authors leave Select, and KU customers see a lot of mediocre or even awful books ranked really well, maybe it will start to become a big issue. I don't know.
Joe

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Posted: Jul 17, 2017 6:42 AM   in response to: Josef Peeters in response to: Josef Peeters
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Well, these things almost always have been discussed already. And it really should be in the VotA forum, not here, as it doesn't relate to actual publishing issues.
writerbn

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Posted: Jul 17, 2017 7:17 AM   in response to: Joe in response to: Joe
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Joe wrote:
Well, these things almost always have been discussed already. And it really should be in the VotA forum, not here, as it doesn't relate to actual publishing issues.

For example :)

https://kdp.amazon.com/community/thread.jspa?threadID=840228&tstart=0
Joseph M Erhardt

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Posted: Jul 17, 2017 3:24 PM   in response to: Josef Peeters in response to: Josef Peeters
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Josef Peeters wrote:
Oh forgive me that I couldn't find that thread amid the reams of spam while I did my search. If I didn't catch it then maybe others didn't either and I am merely rebooting the discussion so others are informed. Like I said, you folks are mighty tetchy, but instead of getting tetchy and smarmy with other authors, you should be directing pure rage at Amazon for allowing this sort of garbage to continue.

Easy, please. writerbn was responding to Joe's post, not your thread. And, I don't think I've ever seen a post by writerbn written in an angry or dismissive tone.
writerbn

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Posted: Jul 18, 2017 4:19 AM   in response to: Joseph M Erhardt in response to: Joseph M Erhardt
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Joseph M Erhardt wrote:
Josef Peeters wrote:
Oh forgive me that I couldn't find that thread amid the reams of spam while I did my search. If I didn't catch it then maybe others didn't either and I am merely rebooting the discussion so others are informed. Like I said, you folks are mighty tetchy, but instead of getting tetchy and smarmy with other authors, you should be directing pure rage at Amazon for allowing this sort of garbage to continue.

Easy, please. writerbn was responding to Joe's post, not your thread. And, I don't think I've ever seen a post by writerbn written in an angry or dismissive tone.


Thank you, Joseph; although I suspect I've been dismissive on more occasions than either of us remembers :)

(And, in case you're wondering: no, I did not report the post, which seems to have vanished.)
Joseph M Erhardt

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Posted: Jul 18, 2017 5:23 AM   in response to: writerbn in response to: writerbn
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writerbn wrote:

(And, in case you're wondering: no, I did not report the post, which seems to have vanished.)

That is strange. I didn't report it, either. The only posts I flag are the spam posts and, I think, one post that contained the poster's personal info (I wanted to get that out of public view--edit: actually, that was another site--Never mind!).

Right now I have to stay away from threads about pre-order problems. The urge to get snippy in those threads would be too much for me to withstand. :)

Seriously. Pre-order capability should not be offered to anyone who has not KDP-published at least once in the ordinary fashion.

Edited by: Joseph M Erhardt on Jul 18, 2017 5:24 AM
writerbn

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Posted: Jul 18, 2017 5:47 AM   in response to: Joseph M Erhardt in response to: Joseph M Erhardt
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Joseph M Erhardt wrote:
Seriously. Pre-order capability should not be offered to anyone who has not KDP-published at least once in the ordinary fashion.
I'd probably say something similar about KDP Print Beta.
Ward Rogers

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Posted: Jul 18, 2017 7:41 AM   in response to: Josef Peeters in response to: Josef Peeters
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Josef Peeters wrote:
Some interesting reading for everyone.

https://davidgaughran.wordpress.com/2017/07/15/scammers-break-the-kindle-store/

Now don't go blowing up at me if you already know about it or if you don't agree etc. Forum members here get a mite tetchy about almost anything. I'm just bringing it to the attention of anyone like me who didn't know.


Actually, chum, the only poster I noticed "blowing up" or being a "mite tetchy" is you, but if transference works for you ... well, whatever.

As to the chap at the end of your link, his opinion is hardly unique. People have been kicking it around for years. All the changes to KOLL and KU have been made for that reason. You could also extend it to all the reviews bought on Fiverr, which resulted not only in lawsuits and deleted accounts but an increase in the pay-to-post amount and added algorithms for the bots that search out connections, similarities and discrepancies.

Your pal's take on the matter would be more interesting if he weren't so vague and self-serving, but you shouldn't be surprised or dismayed if others have heard it all before, and from better informed authorities. To some here, it's a long-standing problem and will of course see it as being not quite as bright and shiny as do you, but every little bit helps.

Thanks for sharing.
Angela

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Re: Scammers attacking KDP
Posted: Jul 18, 2017 11:28 AM   in response to: Ward Rogers in response to: Ward Rogers
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Some of us have been taking pictures and sending them in for years, but it still doesn't do anything. Two weeks of promising communications with Zon, only to be told they're investigating and then you never hear back from them. So we stop taking images and emailing them.
Amazon is already losing money on KU. Why would they sink more into it? I suspect big changes are coming, but as usual, real authors will suffer and scammers will find a new loophole. I'd bet that in 2 years, this program will no longer exist. Too many bad apples and not enough subscriptions.
Josef Peeters

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Posted: Jul 18, 2017 3:01 PM   in response to: writerbn in response to: writerbn
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I suspect my post was moderated by the KDP mods who prefer to spend their time getting rid of posts complaining about spam instead of actually doing something about the problem. CS's forum is a lost cause these days, can't find the real posts any more amid pages upon pages of spam.
Josef Peeters

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Posted: Jul 18, 2017 3:28 PM   in response to: Ward Rogers in response to: Ward Rogers
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Chum is a brand of dog food where I live. The 'pal' (Also a brand of dog food), you allude to has no connection to me what-so-ever. Sorry if the post about the article offended you to the point where you have to comment with vaguely derisive terms of endearment instead of simply using a person's name clearly printed at the top of the thread. Sorrier still that you are not incensed by the message of the article. Worst of all, is that you perceive the article to be self-serving by the author instead of the well-researched article it is championing the cause of all self-pubbers.

Thanks for sharing.
Moshe Ben-Or

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Re: Scammers attacking KDP
Posted: Jul 18, 2017 3:46 PM   in response to: Josef Peeters in response to: Josef Peeters
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Sorry, but the original article, while it points out a real problem, also singles out a specific book without any actual proof of wrongdoing. The accusation boils down to: "I do not like this book and cannot explain its success, therefore he must be one of the cheaters." At the same time, we have such gems of the writer's craft as Fifty Shades of Artless Unreadability to remind us that fads do exist and random events do happen.

Ward is absolutely correct in this case. The article is very much self-serving. Its proposed method of identifying cheats, namely to look at books that exhibit large sudden movement in the rankings, is beyond asinine, and will result in frozen rankings favoring incumbents. It has also clearly resulted in the book being one-starred repeatedly, and in the Zon removing its rank altogether, presumably while they force the author to prove that he is not a cheater.

If I were the affected author, the fellow who wrote that article would already be receiving a call from my lawyer. Libel and all that, you know.
Ward Rogers

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Posted: Jul 18, 2017 3:51 PM   in response to: Josef Peeters in response to: Josef Peeters
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Josef Peeters wrote:
Chum is a brand of dog food where I live. The 'pal' (Also a brand of dog food), you allude to has no connection to me what-so-ever. Sorry if the post about the article offended you to the point where you have to comment with vaguely derisive terms of endearment instead of simply using a person's name clearly printed at the top of the thread. Sorrier still that you are not incensed by the message of the article. Worst of all, is that you perceive the article to be self-serving by the author instead of the well-researched article it is championing the cause of all self-pubbers.

Thanks for sharing.


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