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Marc Jost

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Feedback from non-readers??
Posted: Jun 25, 2017 7:08 AM
 
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I just published my first book and it is doing fair in sales and Kindle Unlimited. I have only gotten a couple of reviews one was good and the other negative. I don't mind honest criticism and expect it. The issue I have is that the negative rating (1 star) came from someone who did not read the book. The person in question read the sample and rated it not because it was terrible but because it lacked complete genre content. Shouldn't all reviews be based on reading the book (reader, buyer or borrower)?

Edited by: Marc Jost on Jun 25, 2017 7:09 AM
Joseph M Erhardt

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Re: Feedback from non-readers??
Posted: Jun 25, 2017 7:30 AM   in response to: Marc Jost in response to: Marc Jost
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Amazon is anal about removing or policing reviews, even those that directly go against their review guidelines.

From reports here, you can't even (most of the time) get a review removed that happens to be for another product (which might not even be a book!).

About the only reviews you can get removed are those that are threats or legally actionable (e.g., a review accusing you of plagiarism).

Sorry. It's part of the KDP milieu.
Ward Rogers

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Re: Feedback from non-readers??
Posted: Jun 25, 2017 8:07 AM   in response to: Marc Jost in response to: Marc Jost
 
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Everyone who Looks Inside will judge you. Not everyone will write about it. Some will. Hard cheese.
Marc Jost

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Re: Feedback from non-readers??
Posted: Jun 25, 2017 9:12 AM   in response to: Joseph M Erhardt in response to: Joseph M Erhardt
 
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My question wasn't really about removing the rating I just couldn't get my head around the fact that the book was not read enough to give an honest opinion. It is a big book (600 pages) and I guess the person who rated it expected it to be full blown genre start to finish rather than the story building of how it gets there. I had no input on how much sample can be reviewed.
Marc Jost

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Re: Feedback from non-readers??
Posted: Jun 25, 2017 9:46 AM   in response to: Ward Rogers in response to: Ward Rogers
 
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Yep, limburger actually. I guess I am fortunate the book was just being judged by it's cover and not it's content.
Joe

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Re: Feedback from non-readers??
Posted: Jun 28, 2017 5:28 AM   in response to: Marc Jost in response to: Marc Jost
 
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Marc Jost wrote:
My question wasn't really about removing the rating I just couldn't get my head around the fact that the book was not read enough to give an honest opinion. It is a big book (600 pages) and I guess the person who rated it expected it to be full blown genre start to finish rather than the story building of how it gets there. I had no input on how much sample can be reviewed.

As a reader, I can tell within a few pages at most if a book is worth reading. Usually only a few lines are needed. Never needed an entire book, especially one that is admittedly slow to build up. Ack. That's a kiss of death for any book.

Anyway, Amazon is funny about their reviews. They will let people review stuff they bought elsewhere, and stuff they didn't buy at all. That's just how it is. And you aren't the first person to post about this, and sadly won't be the last (almost word for word, most of them).
Marc Jost

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Re: Feedback from non-readers??
Posted: Jun 28, 2017 6:35 AM   in response to: Joe in response to: Joe
 
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I appreciate your input Joe and as a long time reader, understand your point. When I started writing my book (First of my Kind) I really did try to go down the road of jumping right in feet first SF but soon found that I needed to let people know more about the protagonist background, what type of person he was, how he was raised etc. so people would know later in the book the horror of the moral struggles he would be put through. Hence the prolonged story building AND the disastrous chain of events the character encounters that takes him from his planet of birth. Thank you for your insight and hopefully this might just encourage you to read just more than a few lines that may bore you to get to a story that might possibly grip you. MJ
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Re: Feedback from non-readers??
Posted: Jun 28, 2017 7:41 AM   in response to: Marc Jost in response to: Marc Jost
 
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Marc, you and Joe are both right. You do need all the background stuff, but in the first page or three you need some real action that lures the reader in to discover that background info. Use flashback if you have to, but all the best character development in the world will go to waste if the reader never gets that far. B
Marc Jost

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Re: Feedback from non-readers??
Posted: Jun 28, 2017 8:27 AM   in response to: beachgardener in response to: beachgardener
 
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Thanks B, you can bet that what I am learning from my first book experience will be practiced with sincerity in my second attempt to please all of the people all of the time. The learning curve for a want to be successful writer is kind of steep. Unfortunately I am still building the ladder.
Oscar Pallotta

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Re: Feedback from non-readers??
Posted: Jul 15, 2017 4:01 PM   in response to: Joseph M Erhardt in response to: Joseph M Erhardt
 
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It is not true!!!! I was accused of plagiarism by a "reader" who browsed the book's free sample. This "reader" had a history of reviewing soft-porn DVDs, mind you. He didn't offer a shred of factual argument to support his accusation and yet Amazon didn't remove the review. The reader was as far as recommending not to buy my book and buy ANY other book recommended by Amazon. Therefore, it is not true that Amazon would remove a blatant defamation. I had to unpublish my book. I don't understand how could anyone justify Amazon's attitude by blaming the book. The free sample is to help you decide if you want to buy the book, not to write a review. Reviewing a book by the sample defeats the purpose of the sample and the review. Stop justifying Amazon, wrong is wrong is wrong.

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Oscar Pallotta

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Re: Feedback from non-readers??
Posted: Jul 15, 2017 4:24 PM   in response to: Joe in response to: Joe
 
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I am sure you will be missing many good books and get scammed by bad books with a few good pages at the beginning. In any event, that is the purpose of the free sample, to assist you in deciding to read the book, it's not enough to review it and shouldn't be allowed reviews from the sample.
Joseph M Erhardt

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Re: Feedback from non-readers??
Posted: Jul 15, 2017 4:46 PM   in response to: Oscar Pallotta in response to: Oscar Pallotta
 
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Oscar Pallotta wrote:
It is not true!!!! I was accused of plagiarism by a "reader" who browsed the book's free sample. This "reader" had a history of reviewing soft-porn DVDs, mind you. He didn't offer a shred of factual argument to support his accusation and yet Amazon didn't remove the review.

I'm sorry to hear that. This surprises me.
okydok

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Re: Feedback from non-readers??
Posted: Jul 16, 2017 5:44 PM   in response to: Marc Jost in response to: Marc Jost
 
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It goes to show you Amazon doesn't give a wit about the authors here. Not even the better ones. Shameful. What incentive do we have we're appreciated? What incentive do we have to stay. Money isn't everything. If fact just being on Amazon cheapens your product. Example:If you have a barrel of turds, how does anyone know where the better ones are without sniffing every one?
Marc Jost

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Re: Feedback from non-readers??
Posted: Jul 17, 2017 4:21 AM   in response to: okydok in response to: okydok
 
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Obviously there are some that choose to quickly judge them by the size and shape rather than the bouquet :P
Donald Roble

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Re: Feedback from non-readers??
Posted: Jul 17, 2017 9:28 AM   in response to: beachgardener in response to: beachgardener
 
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beachgardener wrote:
Marc, you and Joe are both right. You do need all the background stuff, but in the first page or three you need some real action that lures the reader in to discover that background info. Use flashback if you have to, but all the best character development in the world will go to waste if the reader never gets that far. B

The writer has to grab me with the first page. I know what needs to be done but the first page tells me if I like the story or the writer.
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