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Mary Hibbs

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Table of Contents too large on look inside
Posted: Aug 13, 2017 7:56 AM
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Hi, I have an issue with my table of contents appearing so large on the look inside feature of the latest book I've posted that some of the headings wrap around and it looks unprofessional. Yesterday it was worse than it is today, so something has been changed on Amazon's end without my input, but, it's still not great. I was very careful before uploading to check every version of possible reader and did wind up shortening some of the headings to prevent this issue, but now that its on Amazon, it seems as if its obeying some internal rules I wasn't aware would be an issue. I'm not sure whether to do something with it or not, it's not awful, but its not good. I am going to be uploading a physical version, so the issue might be moot pretty soon?
Joseph M Erhardt

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Re: Table of Contents too large on look inside
Posted: Aug 13, 2017 8:01 AM   in response to: Mary Hibbs in response to: Mary Hibbs
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Give us a link to the book, and someone here will look and give their opinion.

If you're thinking that creating a paperback version will make the paperback's Look Inside override the e-book's Look Inside, I don't think that's how it works. Someone here will correct me if I'm off about this.
Ward Rogers

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Re: Table of Contents too large on look inside
Posted: Aug 13, 2017 8:01 AM   in response to: Mary Hibbs in response to: Mary Hibbs
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The Look Inside often reveals formatting problems commonly suppressed during the conversion process.
Donna St Felix

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Re: Table of Contents too large on look inside
Posted: Aug 13, 2017 8:34 AM   in response to: Mary Hibbs in response to: Mary Hibbs
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Mary Hibbs wrote:
Hi, I have an issue with my table of contents appearing so large on the look inside feature of the latest book I've posted that some of the headings wrap around and it looks unprofessional. Yesterday it was worse than it is today, so something has been changed on Amazon's end without my input, but, it's still not great. I was very careful before uploading to check every version of possible reader and did wind up shortening some of the headings to prevent this issue, but now that its on Amazon, it seems as if its obeying some internal rules I wasn't aware would be an issue. I'm not sure whether to do something with it or not, it's not awful, but its not good. I am going to be uploading a physical version, so the issue might be moot pretty soon?

I would shorten those headings.
Example: Chapter 1: The Melting of the Moon in January.
Change to: Chp 1: Moon Melting.
Scott Reid

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Re: Table of Contents too large on look inside
Posted: Aug 13, 2017 9:24 AM   in response to: Mary Hibbs in response to: Mary Hibbs
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I left out a Table of Contents from my science fiction / fantasy book. No one uses them. No one is not going to buy the book because of a missing ToC. No one is going to give a bad review because one is missing.

(This may not apply to non-fiction!)
booknookbiz

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Re: Table of Contents too large on look inside
Posted: Aug 13, 2017 11:25 AM   in response to: Scott Reid in response to: Scott Reid
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Scott Reid wrote:
I left out a Table of Contents from my science fiction / fantasy book. No one uses them. No one is not going to buy the book because of a missing ToC. No one is going to give a bad review because one is missing.

(This may not apply to non-fiction!)


Scott:

I'm sorry, but you are incorrect. I have first-hand knowledge of this. We had a client that refused to put a "regular" TOC in her ebook. Her book was effectively a series of vignettes, of character studies. She elected, then, to put her "TOC" in, called "Cast of Characters," right? Other than it being named differently, it was a TOC. Fully-functioning links, etc.

What happened? A customer complained to Amazon. Not only did the client receive a Kindle Quality notice--but the book was removed from sale until it was "fixed."

Do what you wish, of course; you are the publisher, and it's your choice. But be aware that like everything else in life, there are potential consequences, and they can be severe. ONE disgruntled reader, just one--can do this to YOU. Don't assume that people don't use them--that's not remotely confirmed by Amazon's use statistics. They're obviously used.

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George Garrigues

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Re: Table of Contents too large on look inside
Posted: Aug 13, 2017 12:31 PM   in response to: booknookbiz in response to: booknookbiz
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So you've found that tables of contents have to be NAMED "Table of Contents"? How about "Contents" or "Zusammenfassung des Inhalts"? Would those work?
booknookbiz

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Posted: Aug 13, 2017 4:41 PM   in response to: George Garrigues in response to: George Garrigues
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George Garrigues wrote:
So you've found that tables of contents have to be NAMED "Table of Contents"? How about "Contents" or "Zusammenfassung des Inhalts"? Would those work?

George:

I've reported the incident as it happened. Certainly part of what happened was because it was named "Cast of Characters," and not "Contents" or "TOC" or whatever. Presumably if you have a book in another language the Contents would be appropriately named in that language. I don't have any insight beyond that. Wish I did!

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Amis

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Re: Table of Contents too large on look inside
Posted: Aug 14, 2017 11:12 AM   in response to: Scott Reid in response to: Scott Reid
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Scott Reid wrote:
I left out a Table of Contents from my science fiction / fantasy book. No one uses them. No one is not going to buy the book because of a missing ToC. No one is going to give a bad review because one is missing.

(This may not apply to non-fiction!)


As a reader I use them. I find it annoying when a book doesn't have a TOC. Maybe I need to start saying so in reviews.
Notjohn

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Re: Table of Contents too large on look inside
Posted: Aug 14, 2017 12:18 PM   in response to: George Garrigues in response to: George Garrigues
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All my books have a TOC called Contents -- it is not, after all, a Table.

I just looked at the first five books on the bookshelf above my computer screen. All are nonfiction hardcovers or trade paperbacks from Big Five publishers. Each has a "table" headed Contents and none has a Table of Contents (or "Table of Content" as Sigil oddly phrases it).

Novels traditionally did not have a TOC, labeled as a table or otherwise. When I began publishing my backlist novels through the DTP/KDP, the Look Inside was already functioning, so I seized the opportunity to make juicy chapter titles as an incentive for people to read the book. I don't think Amazon "required" a TOC at that time; I was just exploiting the Look Inside opportunity. I am now a strong believer in TOCs, but if Doubleday bought a novel from me today and told me to take it out, I would have no problem with that, either.

Do it. There's no reason not to, and a couple reasons why you should.

As for the TOC being "too large on look inside," that ridiculous. I see that one of my books has 28 characters in one of the chapter titles, and it doesn't come anywhere near filling the line, let alone slopping over to the next line. (I center my TOCs. They just look better that way.)

Good luck! -- NJ

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