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firstater ferna...

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Kindle don't know to sell books
Posted: Oct 17, 2016 6:56 AM
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Kindle don't know to sell books.
Offer too many instead of few selected ones.And put low prices as only beggars do.
Can't sell everything and has to choose what to put on the top , not everything can't stay as an undifferentiated mass.
The important of a book can be the country of origin,the personality of the author if the book has one and what has that book of remarkable that distinguish it from many others unless is like selling undescript objects,a known story with the previsible cover.
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Posted: Oct 17, 2016 7:38 AM   in response to: firstater ferna... in response to: firstater ferna...
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Exactly.
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Posted: Oct 17, 2016 11:19 AM   in response to: firstater ferna... in response to: firstater ferna...
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Kindle does not sell books - Kindle distributes ebooks that authors sell. Amz is a vendor platform. It's up to the authors to sell books, not Kindle.
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Posted: Oct 17, 2016 11:22 AM   in response to: firstater ferna... in response to: firstater ferna...
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Dear author,
If the purpose of your rant is to lament a lack of sales for your book, might I suggest making sure your look inside does not match your rant. The grammar and spelling is amazingly bad. It might lead one to believe that your first language is not English, in which case you have a lot of catching up to do before anyone would ever want to buy your book. Not being mean, but simply a tip to let you know that readers are notoriously picky and many won't even download freebies anymore unless they meet their lofty standards,
Who would have thunk it? (Not sure thunk is even a word, but the long time minions of sober perfectionism that perpetually haunt these forums may have a surer wisdom to impart)
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You are my first Kindle contact
Posted: Oct 17, 2016 12:29 PM   in response to: james in response to: james
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You don't know how many times I have been told to go to school before speaking English with the grown up.James ,I speak hebrew,french and spanish ,my mother language and I can't be without fault .I have only one english version of my book "Spooky Spoke " and longtime I search for help to improve the text,something I can't do because I reach my limits in that matter.
By James,dont be so severe with the barbarians.
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Posted: Oct 17, 2016 4:56 PM   in response to: firstater ferna... in response to: firstater ferna...
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I looked at your book "Spooky Spoke". I couldn't get very far through the sample, as you seem not to understand the rules of punctuation, grammar, tense, etc.
Personally, I don't speak French or Spanish. Therefore, I would never attempt to convey a story in those languages, or try to sell it.
Why you thought you could do that with English is a mystery to me. It's hard enough to get sales for those of us who are fluent with English.
While it's entirely possible that you may have a compelling story to tell, the difficulties you have with English prevent you from doing that.

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bill delorey

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Posted: Oct 17, 2016 7:02 PM   in response to: firstater ferna... in response to: firstater ferna...
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Regardless of how many languages you speak, if you can't speak it or write it any better than these posts, you won't sell a book written in English. You can talk about it in any language you want, but it won't change the facts.

If you have a worthwhile story to tell, you should write it then get an native-English speaking editor to repair it. You might not like the advice you get here, but that doesn't change reality. Your written English is very poor - you need to learn it better, or hire an Editor to fix it.

This issue has nothing to do with what Kindle knows or what Kindle does ... it has to do with authors and ability to write and sell. It's not Kindle's job to sell you books- it just displays books for search engines to locate.
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Posted: Oct 18, 2016 5:58 AM   in response to: firstater ferna... in response to: firstater ferna...
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firstater fernando wrote:
You don't know how many times I have been told to go to school before speaking English with the grown up.James ,I speak hebrew,french and spanish ,my mother language and I can't be without fault .I have only one english version of my book "Spooky Spoke " and longtime I search for help to improve the text,something I can't do because I reach my limits in that matter.

The truth remains that unless you can get the book into some sort of acceptable English, you won't sell. Not to mention other issues involved.

And asking in your blurb for help (and on the Look Inside)? Not likely to happen. People don't care, Fernando, about your issues, your problems, whatever is holding you back. They just don't. The sort of people who can help won't see your book, and potential readers will be put off even more.

By James,dont be so severe with the barbarians.

Well, that's how he rolls. Often bad advice, but delivered with force and insults.

The issues I see:

The cover is not appropriate. You need something other than the pitiful results you can get from the cover creator. Something suitable to your genre.

The blurb is not appropriate. As I said, one doesn't pull a pity party and ask for help to fix a book you're expecting people to pay to read. It makes no sense, even past the pity party bit.

The writing needs work. You have no idea how to punctuate, or break up paragraphs and the English isn't structured properly. You need an editor, or a darned good translator to go from your native tongue to English.

Also, why the insult to Jews? It's seems to be there just for a nice racist twang. That alone would put me off wanting to read anything you write.

The main character is also named Fernando? Really? I hate when writers do this.

You could do better with your keywords, get you into categories more relevant to your book.
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we be getting the drift.

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We have had to learn by osmosis. Some advice was good. It takes initiative to try out Create Space.

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Tommy, WE ARE NOT STAFF.

We are AUTHORS/PUBLISHERS.

KDP staff seldom respond to posts here.
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Posted: Oct 18, 2016 11:26 AM   in response to: tommy london in response to: tommy london
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tommy london wrote:
Hi! As a typical North American ...

Really?
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gldrummond wrote:
Tommy, WE ARE NOT STAFF.

We are AUTHORS/PUBLISHERS.

KDP staff seldom respond to posts here.


When you see his posts, just smile and nod your head. No point in responding :)
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You are right about keywords.I am jew and I know them,I was joking.
If my Anglo colleagues said that my book isn't well written is perhaps because nobody took the time to read and see what is about.
I am convinced that the book is good and you should take a look having in mind that foreign literature follows another ways,for example: the dog Spooky,the main character dies three times before being cloned and replicated into thousands.American dogs can't do that.
I imagine you very old and wrincked as me.
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Posted: Oct 18, 2016 1:35 PM   in response to: Glenn Wilmes in response to: Glenn Wilmes
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The original discussion was about Kindle and it's lack of any visible hierarchy of quality,etc. and everything showing in the same flat dimension.
Suddenly my person became the object of the forum for one exciting day,it was yesterday.
What can I say now at the end of this experience?
-If one day you want to read foreign literature ,start with me.
I will never accept that Dan Brown is a better writer than me.
My book will last because is true and beyond the grammar it holds an emotion.
firstater ferna...

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we share this space and therefore can make acquaintance
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May be you are visionary as Nostradamus was in other era that believed in that and you are receiving some information from the future.T his is not to dismiss as not worthing but you can make fiction with it and have fun .Good luck and go ahead carefully.
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Just for forfirstater fernando I am a writer willing to edit the first chapter for you. No. I've never made this offer before and probably won't ever again. If you're interested, say so on the forum and if we can figure out how to do it, I'll give it a try for you.

SOlson
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I prefere to have to deal with a software
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Thank you but may be you are not the solution I look for.
Anyway which is your book to drop a glance on your british English?
bye
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Posted: Oct 18, 2016 2:28 PM   in response to: firstater ferna... in response to: firstater ferna...
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I have and will again read "foreign literature", and if you will reread my post, I indicated that I gave your book a fair chance by looking at the sample.
I also indicated to you that the errors therein are what detracted from the experience for me, a person who speaks English fluently.

Yet you hold yourself up as a shining beacon of literature who can't get a fair chance because of the quantity of poor work out there.
Do you not see the irony in that?
Would not a French person, or a Spanish or Hebrew person point out my errors if I tried to sell them a story in those languages? Of course they would, and they would be correct in doing so.

If you choose to feel slighted by people who speak English, a language you don't fully understand, yet attempt to convey a story in, that's your problem.
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tommy london wrote:
Hi! As a typical North American I can appreciate the dialog going on here. Your staff still seem to be sincere.

I don't have any staff. I'm not Amazon. No one from Amazon is here. I don't know how many times people have to tell you that before it sinks in.

Well I still have lots to learn about what to put into my fiction. Like, okay, one can "say" that maybe using the "medium" of fiction can send social messages. Or a person can still "say"' that, maybe, all some writer has to produce is "junk" that sells. That can be called a "schlock" method. Robert J. Ringer - who did sell lots of books in the 1970s - once claimed that. Right now I might use that as safest bet. As philosophy of what the readers want.

What readers want is a good story, told in an intelligent manner. When you can do that, you could possibly begin selling books.

This only confirms that we here in the New World are actually like ancient Atlanteans, a bit more "cosmic" than the Old World people. This stuff is in my books. I also have a guy called Fred Biederman, who is a "typical"
21st- centurian. (Verbally aggresive and more cmplicated in character than anyone from the Stone Age, which is what I call the 70s. That is what my "fiction" is about
so it has to be sociology. The only thing that is new will be nuclear shuttles... wow! How brave! (As if they cannot build stuff like that today.) You can see right
away what a hitech universe can... create. Actually, fiction may even CREATE modern and/or FUTURE REALITY. Just enjoy your adventure.

Yep. I'm going to admit it right here: I'm from Atlantis. Sure. No reason to hide it, I guess, since you spilled the beans.

My migraine is back.
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firstater fernando wrote:
You are right about keywords.I am jew and I know them,I was joking.

You may be Jewish, but I doubt many of your fellows would be thrilled to have the statement you just threw into the book represent them. It's not like you put it in any context.

If my Anglo colleagues said that my book isn't well written is perhaps because nobody took the time to read and see what is about.

I'm not the only one who looked at the book. No one can see what it is about because it needs a good editor, someone who understands English.

I am convinced that the book is good and you should take a look having in mind that foreign literature follows another ways,for example: the dog Spooky,the main character dies three times before being cloned and replicated into thousands.American dogs can't do that.

Uh, no dogs die three times and get cloned. That's not reality anywhere you go. It doesn't matter what language one writes in, the story has to be intelligible. One can write about fictional things, but it still has to make some sort of sense. Rambling on about Jews and talking dogs and whatever else you tumbled in there doesn't make people want to read the story as presented.

I imagine you very old and wrincked as me.

Nope.
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I think you are one of those who think the words 'foreign literature' indicate something superior, like those who think a movie needs sub titles to be called a classic. When I think of foreign literature I am thinking Alexander dumas, Tolstoy, those sort of people. You are not the first to respond to criticism with banal remarks like: you think it is not good because you haven't read it. How do you expect anyone to read it when the first paragraph is complete gibberish?

As to kindle (I assume you mean Amazon) having some quality control, you obviously don't realise that if they did, yours would be the first to go.

Oh, and by the way: what the hell does 'wrincked' mean?
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I took it to mean wrinkled. I was a bit taken aback, as I am not wrinkled in the slightest, though I am getting up there in years (no gray hair, either, thank you, good genes). Of course, I could be mistaken, as it's rather hard to interpret the posts.
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I got the drift on relations here. Just writers. At least there is sense of humor. In my society I tend to worry about not offending others.
I am now beyond even knowing what "PC" or "PI" may really mean. So I'm beyond that. It was interesting. I'd rather judge by ancient
or medieval standards of "good" or "nasty". But this is too verbose already (also schon lange.. and that is where that old expression
came from.) So long.
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here is what I do in reality. I just send some xeroxes on paper of what my stuff looks like in Bookshelf & on Amazon ads. (To some customers like NASA.)
They look impressive. Well it should work out. I have this down pat. Even like buy my own stuff, then just check that out on some Reader device.
Only one futuristic mystery... what sells? I doubt even at Zonland they will know. Seems most out there may not like mail on paper.
Shall quit now while still ahead in karma.
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I write humor. It's so hard to do when people like this are funnier than anything I can dream up.
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Makes good source material...
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I am a new writer as well and I would never make my work out better than someone else's. Fernando even though English isn't your first language, you need to learn how to use it properly before trying to write it. I read your inside page and I could only make it half way through before the beginning of a headache came on. If you want your book to sell don't ask for help in your books description and learn how to use the English language a little better. Or maybe write a book in your native tongue instead and see how that goes.

Edited by: stacy barnett on Oct 20, 2016 1:48 AM
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the keyboard is tricky
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Well, I'm not deft,the book needs corrections and the bride a better robe,her presentation in society was a sounding waste,she is washed in tears.
In my defense I want to say that Kindle has also published in February 2015 La historia de Spuki ,the spanish version of Spooky spoke also doomed by misspellings,bad punctuation, grammatical innovation and a protracted lack of publicity.I am very grateful to Amazon to host my six books in the cloud because I have no other place for them.
Community or forum seems more attracted to the form that to the essential, they exagger,my chapter one is not gibberish.
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My problem is not the mess I surf all the time but the the standards impose
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Spanish readers would be thrilled with one english writer exploring their lenguage.I am not aware of someone else doing that.
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With my thanks to Kindle
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I accept that my english book needs corrections,in parallel Spooky spoke has its spanish version La historia de Spuki also plagued by an innovative grammar and one adverse punctuation hindering the reading.
I am grateful to Kindle Amazon to host my six books in the cloud because I haven't other place for them.
I can assure you that is very funny to write english without registered phrases installed in my head,its all new.
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It may be very funny to do, but it won't sell books for you.

You've received good advice about having someone with more English speaking/writing experience edit your book.

You can choose not to take that advice, and your lack of sales for it will continue. Or you can take that advice and perhaps see sales result.

Sales aren't guaranteed, period. Not even for well-written, technically "perfect" books.

But you have a better chance of seeing sales if customers don't find it difficult to read your book(s).
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Was amusing,even if I've been scolded the new feeling can be called not separateness,not closeness but not separateness.
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Now you just sound stupid. Please take the advice to heart or just plainly don't write....whatever you decide to do, learn something new...
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firstater fernando wrote:
Was amusing,even if I've been scolded the new feeling can be called not separateness,not closeness but not separateness.

Tommy London, is that you?
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snort

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This is for all of forum. I have recently learned that if we use just 2 features of any normal Kindle E Reader, then I can adjust fonts to cover plus any other art.
That improves legibility & nice appearance of the whole thing 100%. I have thus had no more probs with the Zon People. That makes me happy. I also
notice that placing my books next to similar stuff, which I am tempted to buy, should enhance sales. Now I am waiting
for some curious creatures out there in the universe to try my stuff. There must be a leak. You must already know about this.
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In addition tho that, I will be bale to add some charts & maps to my Atlantis Essay, showing ocean
voyages, etc. That will attract readers of ilk. National geographic magazine has sent me a letter
agreeing with my theory on Atlantis, some pyramids, cartography & astronomy. Much of this was
known for long anyway, and has been proven. I just want to know if anyone has
met" anything strange
recently.
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These issues are old and have been covered. This is all over the place. A stereotype.
We merely wanted to add some modern "hip" realism to the basic tradition, so it
will be, in New Age stuff, as in fiction, more up to "mod"
lifestyles. Not just for El Sevens. It will take some updated editions to add clarity &
make it coherent. We are North Americans who speak concise, modern english, but
can also understand foreigners who have a hard time with imterviews. Like Eric Von
Dee....(It's linguistic.)
They are closing down bookstores and going underground. I wonder why?
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Hey, CWL, no need to knock wrinkledness — a word seldom written but often thought about! (Seldom enough that my spellcheck flagged it for some reason.)
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Silly to submit the best I have to a soulless platform
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All those mistakes you point at are not big deal,not central for one book.
What's the point about my neck tie ,the formatting , the cover or my poor english inhibiting everyone ever to consider it as a valid story precariously alive, barely existing because of mistakes no good school boy would ever commit ?
I must defend the fact that the first Spooky ink jet( you would say first draft) was in English and I will not retreat from that.
Of course you are not the english reading audience I need, you are writers not here to buy , read and enjoy someone other's book.
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At the beginning I feel pity for him and when he started babbling I thought he had been stricken by electromagnetic radiations or ultimately touched by God himself for one special design.
The turmoil in his mind was unstoppable.
Then I was dishwashing at the Ariela Events Hall and the job suited me very well because all that food and the mere lack of demanding of the task allowed me the kind of freedom I could enjoy.
Then I was young with plenty of time ahead so I could waste time dishwashing or digging holes or whatever.
It was a kind of you can have my muscles and I will saw and hammer for a living but nothing more.
I worked alone and in discreet way I could take Spooky to the kitchen.
I remember when riding the bike by downtown Tel Aviv and car’s drivers , also pedestrians looked friendly and smiled and then nobody heard him giving me his stiff instructions.
-Take to the left.
-Stop and go.
-Left,left then right.
But one year later came upon us the time to hide and it was the beginning of hard times.
People was startled by the phenomenon of one single talking dog and foolish ones said the dog was bad luck for the country.
One day Wingate claimed to put the dog to a battery of tests at the neurosciences lab.
Spooky wasn't the awaited red cow of the Messiah but anyway he was arising a lot of interest from surgeons, clerics and odious free lance photographers.
So I made him wear on the muzzle during long hours and begged him to behave and to stop talking because of the dog's haters outside we couldn’t identify at first sight until was it to late to escape and he understood that our life was on stake.
Later in our search for a way out we realize that survival could depend on the ability to please and amuse an specific public of the Israeli society and came the time to become Spooky,the first artist dog in Israel.
I approved his decision and never thought he was spoiling our dignity or something.
Spooky, the comedian dog hit the imaginations of many.They wanted me to sell the dog, they wanted one dog like him and then people were laughing clapping hands at us without any perception of the cosmic intelligence behind the new comers ,only seen as circus entertainers.
I had one .
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I accept your offer
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Tell me please i f you are still ready to make a try with rhe first chapter .Now I appreciate what can be a breakthrough to put the book Spooky spoke on a better trail.
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George Garrigues wrote:
Hey, CWL, no need to knock wrinkledness — a word seldom written but often thought about! (Seldom enough that my spellcheck flagged it for some reason.)

Oh, I'm not knocking anyone being wrinkled! It's just that as of this point, I'm not. I will be someday, but I was very lucky in the genetics lottery and it's going to take me longer than some to show my age. People generally guess I'm decades younger than I am. Yay me! Sadly, my joints and memory aren't that great, but I cope.

Anyway, I've been catching up on this version of the thread, and my head is spinning. Thank goodness I'll forget it all before long, because keeping this kind of nonsense in the brain must be a contributor for dementia.
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crazywriterlady wrote:

Anyway, I've been catching up on this version of the thread, and my head is spinning. Thank goodness I'll forget it all before long, because keeping this kind of nonsense in the brain must be a contributor for dementia.

Even in my fogged dotage, I think segments of 'prose' on this thread will remain indelible, forever wondering if works of genius lay blindly all before. Doh!
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A general question wanting a good response
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I would like to understand if the disappearance of already published posts is an usual occurrence on Kindle Community or it only happened to me.
Because I have the proof,the mail with the copy of my post.But the post doesn't show on the thread and I didn't delete it.
Something strange happened here and I want to know what is.
Censorship,one mistake of the system or a simple joke of the elves?

firstater fernando,

The thread "Kindle don't know to sell books", which you have flagged for email notification, was updated on Nov 9, 2016 4:40:07 AM by firstater fernando.

firstater fernando posted the following message:

Everybody listen , you are three, may be four or five , that's not a huge force for someone with many resources as I am. Plus, I am far ,and the distance is an asset,so I will be able to follow thinking and to express my opinions in all kinds of matters, in everything, and no one can force me to change my views on American culture.Yesterday we saw that ignorants and resented are a threat to an entire heritage of civilisation.But you can't kill ideas. I will stay firmly here. Thank you

Edited by: firstater fernando on Nov 15, 2016 5:38 AM
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The thread "Kindle don't know to sell books", which you have flagged for email notification, was updated on Nov 9, 2016 4:40:07 AM by firstater fernando.

firstater fernando posted the following message:

Everybody listen , you are three, may be four or five , that's not a huge force for someone with many resources as I am. Plus, I am far ,and the distance is an asset,so I will be able to follow thinking and to express my opinions in all kinds of matters, in everything, and no one can force me to change my views on American culture.Yesterday we saw that ignorants and resented are a threat to an entire heritage of civilisation.But you can't kill ideas. I will stay firmly here. Thank you
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This is worst than expected. An entire page has been withdrawn.The first 10 days of November posts in this thread ( Kindle don't - doesn't know to sell ) had been erased .Nothing remains of our conversation elapsed between pages 3 and 4 .
Hocus pocus or bug? And why do something so blatant.
I am not the only involved.Many other people published there but I am the only worrying about.
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The webmaster enigma.

The flagrant disparity between page 3 and page 3
The Webmasters are leaving their imprint over the worldweb.
The first results of my investigation shows two different pages number 3 .One is the true and original,the other being the alternate ,the imposture taking the place of the true.
In one I am ,in the other I'm not and my says had been erased.
How it came to happen on this prestigious platform and which is the exercise we are being subjected ?
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Very funny! ;)
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The first results of my investigation shows two different pages number 3 .One is the true and original,the other being the alternate ,the imposture taking the place of the true.

A conspiracy, certainly.

Good luck! -- NJ

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Free Kindle ebook Spooky spoke in a new English uodate
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http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00STZTM34
Free ebook
Literature,Israel,dogs,South America,no sex,nulle action,
humor
from 11/22 to 11/26 (only 5 days)
Spooky spoke( English version)
78 pages
first published February 2015
last edited November 2016
reviews:In private
normal price 2.99 usd
Today for free
The author demand excuses for the bad quality of the English he uses in the book.In his behalf he point out to the fact that is an Israeli -Argentine binational and never lived in an English speaking country.
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I am a foreigner selling books here. I have had to learn American English and make adaptations for the North American reader. I have had to employ editors and to learn. The result is that I sell books. The better result is that my investment in understanding story telling has made me a better story teller. I am still learning. I think I will be learning until I write my last word.
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What a splendid reply!

I know it's very bad of me, but I can't stop following this thread. I find it reassuring, though I couldn't tell you why.

Good luck! -- NJ

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Notjohn wrote:

I know it's very bad of me, but I can't stop following this thread. I find it reassuring, though I couldn't tell you why.


Reassuring perhaps in the sense that futility is part of life's natural order?
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I was upset when I first published on amazon Kindle too. I ranted the same way you do, but there were so many who responded to my post. I took their advice and used it as constructive criticism. Now my book is starting to take off at a steady pace. It's your job to run your own marketing and ad campaigns. Like I was told.....writing a book is like running a business. you have to take your own initiative and market your business, which is your book. I hope this helps.
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Hi Penny,glad to meet you.
By the way ,who is Bill Dellorey.I thought you was talking to me.

How it is that I have to sell books? I don't know how to start ,where ,to whom.
Here we call it : go selling his own fish.
I spent a couple of years peddling incenses sticks and self made deodorant and moth repellant in two different countries and I did it rather good.But those were large consuming products everybody wanted to have .
But a book? To go ringing bells door by door or sometimes clapping hands calling : Señor, Señora do you like,do you want this?
Kindle is a wonderful platform for the indie author to upload the book and keep working on it ,something inconceivable ten years ago.
I am grateful to Kindle for save and safeguard my book fot the posterity.
Now I see the hard evidence that we are many struggling to escape from anonymity then becoming my competitors because here we are not on the same boat .

Edited by: firstater fernando on Nov 26, 2016 8:13 AM
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I agree. Amazing.
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firstater fernando wrote:
Now I see the hard evidence that we are many struggling to escape from anonymity then becoming my competitors because here we are not on the same boat .

Thank heaven we're not on the same boat. I'd be struggling for anonymity.
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PA Davis,you have a real book.I can't say the same.
Look,you are the first indie author deserving to be considered a literary writer I come across here in Kindle Community.
And maybe we can be friends,only if you want.
But I'm not without problems and the one where you can play a good role is in helping me to correct my manuscript.
The book is live on Kindle but illegible,unreadable due to my lack of mastering of the English language.
Not all the 78 pages are flawed but many passages are obscures and I can't spot them so I need someone willing to underline pointing out the parts needing to be rewritten.
I am a globetrotter now in Chile,65 years old,16 years touring just four,five countries here.
I don't want to get money out of my writing ,only to express myself and be read with sympathy.
And you?
My impression is you can make a career in this business of making books.
Bye Penny ,have a good day.

Edited by: firstater fernando on Nov 27, 2016 10:28 AM
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http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00STZTM34
the link to Spooky spoke
I'm not in a hurry.Y ou can take your time,one page by day.
Is about to read , pinpoint and underline the parts,the passages obscures , the wrong words in the wrong order as in the babel like disorder of the illiterates.
I don't want the book to end in the dust bin of History.It is halfway to .
The worst of all is not knowing if the book is bad or good.N obody ever read and my viewpoint is delusional.
I'm not a true writer. I'm doing autobiographical fiction .I can't write about other lives even if a take some interest in other themes.
Maybe you will not answer,may be you don't exist and I invented you.
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Notjohn wrote:
What a splendid reply!

I know it's very bad of me, but I can't stop following this thread. I find it reassuring, though I couldn't tell you why.


Me too. I'm kinda used to being the weirdest person on forums, with me being deceased and all, and it's fascinating that here on KDP, I'm not even anywhere close.
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firstater fernando wrote:
PA Davis,you have a real book.I can't say the same.
Look,you are the first indie author deserving to be considered a literary writer I come across here in Kindle Community.
And maybe we can be friends,only if you want.
But I'm not without problems and the one where you can play a good role is in helping me to correct my manuscript.
The book is live on Kindle but illegible,unreadable due to my lack of mastering of the English language.
Not all the 78 pages are flawed but many passages are obscures and I can't spot them so I need someone willing to underline pointing out the parts needing to be rewritten.
I am a globetrotter now in Chile,65 years old,16 years touring just four,five countries here.
I don't want to get money out of my writing ,only to express myself and be read with sympathy.
And you?
My impression is you can make a career in this business of making books.
Bye Penny ,have a good day.

Edited by: firstater fernando on Nov 27, 2016 10:28 AM

I can see nothing this poster said to make you think she has time to edit your offering for you. Of all the bloody cheek!
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I agree, I don't think she was offering to re-write your book, which is what it needs. If you remember, the other kindly poster who offered to look over your work gave up after one page because it was so badly written.
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Florrie,t his post is not a template but you will see it reproduced and employed in this same thread .Until I'll be able to differentiate between both of you.

She has no time for or you are hindering her to.
This is the old schoolyard theorem.
Of course she or anyone else could rewrite someone's else manuscript but one respectful writer can participate in a very different artwork of a fellow writer with a certain degree of influence .
And I think she can be positive to me.
Here Penny is invited to contribute to my work with her natural english fluency and also because she seems to be a good writer and a good person.
What more I have to say.
Penny was not randomly chosen but I have to admit that I have also appealed to a thirth person outside Kindle ,a bilingual writer but she neither is responding ,may be because the delay from Australia.
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Cynthia Hurst, pleased to meet you too.
I was thinking about this configuration.

Say,is she too much occupied for or are you preventing her to.
This is the old schoolyard theorem.
Of course she or anyone else could rewrite someone's else manuscript but one respectful writer can participate in a very different artwork of a fellow writer with a certain degree of influence .
And I think she can be positive to me.
Here Penny is invited to contribute to my work with her natural english fluency and also because she seems to be a good writer and a good person.
What more I have to say.
Penny was not randomly chosen but I have to admit that I have also appealed to a thirth person outside Kindle ,a bilingual writer but she neither is responding ,may be because de delay from Australia.

Edited by: firstater fernando on Nov 29, 2016 4:57 AM
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I have done some testing comparing Word as "basic" version to Word 2010. Find that
only Word works out with your software. Had some problems as you suggested
might happen with Adobe.pdf. The only way i can edit anything is with very basic
Word. I can clean it up even enough for Create Space which will take months.
But am still waiting for sales to pick up. To get real, this is a hobby.
I made a message on Contact Us today, you can send me any answer on
Forum on some thread. Send to my pen name. I will find it over the next few
days. It must take some time even with your knowledge of my account number.
But better 120% than that thing with paper cheques. We can rationalize
stuff here. More or less. This is casual but works.
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Tommy , here in South America people has passed from riding donkeys to drive cars in the time of one generation.They drive cars but don't know how to make cars .They seldom know to drive.
And Americans happily write on computers enthusiastically ridding the train of progress .I don't say this is bad ,but the mess produced is the kind city life we have here with the culture sitting at the top like the cherry of the cake.M ay be they are trying to transcend.
Millons are writing and driving , driving and writing,eating and fucking.All is done with fury.I stand aside and watch.
I don't know how this will end ,I only hope to survive.

Edited by: firstater fernando on Dec 2, 2016 2:12 PM
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You have the ability to make Alice in Wonderland appear a treatise on the principles of sanity.
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firstater fernando wrote:
Florrie,t his post is not a template but you will see it reproduced and employed in this same thread .Until I'll be able to differentiate between both of you.

Um, one is Florrie. The others aren't. Even a non-native English speaker should know that they are different people. (Especially Cynthia, since you posted the same response to her).

She has no time for or you are hindering her to.

No one is stopping anyone from doing anything. If P A Davis wanted to help you with your book, it wouldn't matter to us. The issue is, you seem to think you're doing him/her a favor by "offering" to let them edit your book. As if it would be an honor for you to allow it.

This is the old schoolyard theorem.

If you're calling people here bullies, you need to stop. Most are trying very hard to help you see what you're doing wrong, but you insist on taking it as some sort of plot to keep you from selling.

Of course she or anyone else could rewrite someone's else manuscript but one respectful writer can participate in a very different artwork of a fellow writer with a certain degree of influence .

So?

And I think she can be positive to me.

Maybe so, but I've seen no evidence she wants any more than to post here with some advice/commentary.

Here Penny is invited to contribute to my work with her natural english fluency and also because she seems to be a good writer and a good person.
What more I have to say.

Nothing. You don't seem to get it. You don't arbitrarily just chose someone to help you with a book. You can hire a decent editor, but that seems to be the last thing you want. You want someone to take their own time and whip your book into some sort of decent shape, for free, just because you picked them from a message board.

Penny was not randomly chosen but I have to admit that I have also appealed to a thirth person outside Kindle ,a bilingual writer but she neither is responding ,may be because the delay from Australia.

Did you also just assume this person is going to spend time on your book for nothing? Because that's not going to get you anywhere. People will sometimes offer to help for free -- I've seen it done any number of times -- but it seems to turn out badly 99% of the time. Either the book is beyond fixing, or the writer snaps the head off the person who tried to help.

Also, continually inserting links to your book won't get you anywhere, either. It's considered spamming the forum, because as far as I can see, no one asked for a link (well, maybe early on, but certainly not recently).
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Hi Flo.
I am only being realistic.Here people can't read and don't like to write.Some people write grafittis all over the place but nobody understand them.They paint the signs of their language even on the train wagons but not on the subway because downstairs it smell very bad.Only very recently I learn about the indie mania in America but here anybody will do something for free if they can buy better and for cheap.
Of course tnis is humor,do you understand Flo?
I don't really think that is bad to have one million writers distracted from more evil deeds.
You call it far-fetched but is lucidity.
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For grand master,Hi good to meet you
The editor position is vacant and no one want to get in.
I can see you have had bad experiences with some bad writers that you want to forget, but I am different.
I am not saying you to give me your interest and time and work.
It was you all that started saying that the book needed revision,correction, formatting and all kinds of things I don't know to do.
And it was a good feeling,as one bride been readying for the ceremony with people around me caring the make up ,the robe ,all the details.Beside that I am a boy and will never allow anyone to paint me the lips to look more attractive than I am.
But at the end of tnis journey I still don't know if the book is good or is only another more one misperception of the many I had in my life making it difficult for me to make a clear distinction of inside outside.
So ,is there someone ready to say me truth about the inside of Spooky Spoke and not my bad grammar?
I told you I am a foreign writer and your criteria must be different.
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I forgot that the only criteria in Amazon is the sale of copies and Reports is available.
I relief you for telling your thinking.Better is to be friends with everybody and not go searching for the fifth leg of the cat.
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firstater fernando wrote:
So ,is there someone ready to say me truth about the inside of Spooky Spoke and not my bad grammar?
I told you I am a foreign writer and your criteria must be different.
A reader will not care whether you are native, foreign or even from outer space. Their criteria will not be any different, so you cannot expect any of us to pat you on the head for writing in a language that isn't your own.
If the grammar isn't up to standards, readers/consumers will not buy it, as it will be unreadable to them.
This has been said to you in the nicest and in the harshest ways, yet you don't seem to comprehend.

Just please take notice of this.
The reader doesn't care about you, your heritage, or anything else about you, or any other writer for that matter.
They want a story that compels to them. A story that includes reasonable grammar so they can understand it.

Your story might be a master piece, but unless it is professionally translated, unfortunately it will not sell.
As you have been told many times before.

Now, I could offer you to translate the first page of the story for you (properly!) for free, just so you can see the difference.
But it won't help you.
I don't have the time (and "time is money" -as the goblins in Warcraft say-!!), to translate any more than that.

It might be best to start over from scratch.
Take the story as it was originally written in Spanish, and try babelcube (was that what it's called?) like another poster suggested.
Their translation might be better than the garbled Spanglish it is at the moment, and might get you a little bit further.
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Elodie wrote: Now, I could offer you to translate the first page of the story for you (properly!) for free, just so you can see the difference.

What a kind offer.

I must admit, I am getting a kick out of the O.P. Amazing that we can communicate with someone from another country, who is not familiar with English, yet determined that he can accomplish what he has set out to do. Gotta hand it to him. He is resilient and persuasive.

Imagine how hard it would be to communicate with a being from another planet. This is easy. Someone should start developing translation software for unknown alien languages. Just in case.

Firstater Fernando, I wish you the best. You sound like a nice guy.
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Cecil Rodhes said time is money in Zimbabwe.
I like the way you talk to me.
The book was originally written in English.The first chapter,the first draft was in English and continued that way because my intention was to convey my tale to the Israelis.
The Spanish version is shorter.I wrote some parts in Spanish ,others in English and vice versa.
I did it in my best minimalistic English doing the better I can with few,few words.But not few ideas.
For the Spanish version I don't have much hope because the market there is used to supress anything they dislike without a second thought.For them this is the way to maintain the business they run.(I think of Argentina ,a country I left 36 years ago)
I will send the book to Babelcube as you said.
But it will be a very rare chance to fall upon the person willing to compromise his or her work with the kind of personal autobiographical fiction I did.
Thanks you Elodie.
Elodie was a muse of the photography,isnt?
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What is the best?
What is the best in my case?And what should be the best for you?
I don't want to sell copies if this the measure of success.
I count on telepathy as the most effective way to comunicate with aliens.It requires to be in diapason with the other and it can't be forced.
I learn all about telepathy with Silverberg in French version and don't know more than this.
Good bye to you.
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This Kindle Community is a strange place with a limited minority of people caring about the work of the other majority.
We are adults and we are all different.
I had a good experience here and discovered that there are real writers behind those fantasy names.
I came with a provocative manoeuvre and made effect.
I was complaining that all was flat showed in rhe Kindle bookstore ,all the books on a row.Romance :romances of all kinds put together.
Why isn't there one space for Indies ,american indies,foreign indies, etc.Different categories,I don't want to compete with Rawlings or Norman Mailer.I can't.
Of course I want visibility and need to show my book in the right place for the right audience and maybe there I can be appreciated,I hope so,not as a very smart ass but for what I am and nothing more and may be to gain some sympathies .With the others will be only problems and more problems.
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Firstater, I’ve tried to translate a short caption of your work into proper English, so you can see the clear difference for yourself.
However, I’ve run into a few problems.
There were many instances where I could not form your muse into a proper sentence, as I can’t figure out your thoughts or intentions behind a sentence.
It really is a difficult read, and a difficult job to decipher.

Have you tried babelcube yet?

I’ve never heard of Elodie as being a muse of photography, but I like that notion.
I like photography. A picture can tell a thousand words, often portraying emotions when I, myself cannot.

Here is your version;

2. The landlord killed Spooky

Many are the dogs dying from poisoning because they entered the neighbor’s garden.
Spooky never bothered anyone but from the beginning Korchak didn’t like him.
He said I wasn’t allowed to bring dogs from the street and Kristo,his dog ,wasn’t liking Spooky and they never would befriend.
He also said that puppies were dirty,they urinate letting small puddles on the floor, they chew old and new shoes and tear everything they can and ofcourse spoil the garden,the big argument .
That was one of the first hints of a persistent hate ending in my dog’s assassination .
Spooky died after eating the poisoned yoghurt given by Korchak.I am sure.
Spooky was only two years old and could expect a long and happy life but everything ended in an ugly way .
One afternoon I found him dead under the bed,rigid and baring the teeth in the rictus of the last convulsion.I can imagine his despair.
It had been useless to steer the issue by logics and reasoning because it’s impossible to solve deep mental problems at the legal level .
The subconscious is stronger than everything and reigns over men and folks as Korchak may also become murders.

This is a direct exerpt from your book (formatting issues and all).

Here’s the translation;

2. The landlord killed Spooky

Many dogs are dying from poisoning because they entered the neighbor’s garden.
Spooky never bothered anyone, yet from the beginning, Korchak didn’t like him.
He said I wasn’t allowed to bring dogs in from the street and Kristo, his dog, didn’t like Spooky. They would never become friends.
He also said that puppies were dirty. They urinate, leaving small puddles all over the floor. They chew on shoes, old and new, and tear apart everything they can. And then, of course, there is the garden. That was the biggest argument. They spoil everything.
Those were some of the first hints of a persistent hate that would end in my dogs’ assassination.
I am sure Spooky died from eating the poisoned yoghurt given to him by Korchak.
Spooky was only two years old and should have expected a long and happy life, but it ended in the ugliest way possible.
One afternoon I found him, dead under the bed. He was rigid, baring his teeth in the rictus of the last convulsion. I can only imagine his despair.
It had been useless to steer the issue by logics and reasoning because it’s impossible to solve deep mental problems at the legal level .
The subconscious is stronger than everything and reigns over men and folks as Korchak may also become murders.

These last two sentences (in italics)… I have no clue how to translate them. I’m struggling to understand your deeper thoughts, and therefor your meaning behind the sentences. A deeper involvement into the story and your emotions is needed to properly convey what you mean to say here.
Other than that, you can see the slight change in wording, sentence set-up, and formatting.
The change is only minor, but a big deal to a reader to properly understand the story.
They don’t like reading something where they constantly have to stop and think about what you mean, no matter how big of a master piece you think it is.
If a reader is taken away from their focus of the story, it will ruin it for them.

I hope this little example will make you see things a little more clearly.
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Elodie,I sent the book to Babelcube.Now is up to them.
I did because something must be done if a want to "sell" the book.But I'm sure that I will not like the sample. The two or three " traduced" pages ( They don't charge any fee) and may be I should stop them now for wasting their time.
At the same time I try to be an adult and accept reality the way it is.
This is a team and if this is what they do ,who I am to disagree.
I can always save my version in my preferred data center,Kindle Amazon.
And change the name to Spuky and they will coexist side by side.
I am being melodramatic for the fun.
I am enjoying the novelty ,the newness of the experience.
Elodie,you did it very well,I liked .You are very delicate and have my permission to continue.
Then we will have three books.
1. Now tell me please why do you prefer :Many dogs are killed instead Many are the dogs killed.
Is your caprice?
Ok,you can have
In my book will be :Many are the dogs,many are the flowers and many the stars.
Do you like?
2.I wrote: ended in an ugly way
You wrote: ended in the ugliest way possible.
But I should say: ended in the ugliest way.
I am very transactional but I don't know what to do with you.Better I sit quiet and watch you doing.
Now in the more serious social mood I want to thank you for your kindness .
I understand that you are much more than kind,you know a lot .
If I could I would send you the book by Whispersync (the dream of Star Trek? De-Re materializer?)
And don't say you cannot interpret this or that.You can
Bye Elodie
Your friend Fernando Daniel
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Elodie , don't be afraid.
I will explain why my wonderment with you.
You are in intellectual and there are no intellectuals here in this place.
You are faultless,is very natural because I like intellectuals.
And there is nothing you can do.
The patient falling in love with his o her doctor is very common, with his surgeon,the nurse or his congressman.
But is not true,all is in the mind and goes on to( into) the next book.
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firstater fernando wrote:
{snip}
1. Now tell me please why do you prefer :Many dogs are killed instead Many are the dogs killed.
Is your caprice?
Ok,you can have
In my book will be :Many are the dogs,many are the flowers and many the stars.
Do you like?
'Many are the dogs killed' is a sentence that belongs more in poetry than in a fiction novel (or novelette, or novella..), it doesn't work as a readable sentence in a work of fiction.

'Many are the dogs, many are the flowers and many the stars.' This is a nice sentence, with a beautiful sentiment behind it, do you mean to use this as a way of describing life and death?

2.I wrote: ended in an ugly way
You wrote: ended in the ugliest way possible.
But I should say: ended in the ugliest way.
Either would be fine :)

{snip}
If I could I would send you the book by Whispersync (the dream of Star Trek? De-Re materializer?)
And don't say you cannot interpret this or that.You can
I have to be brutally honest with you, I really did struggle to translate those last two sentences.
I can somewhat interpret what you mean, but I couldn't form a coherent sentence from them.

Unfortunately I don't have much time to help anymore.
I have a book myself that is waiting for me to finish it.
{cut a few pieces of text out of your reply, so the message wasn't so long in my reply}
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Elodie,
To tell you that my first attempt at Babelcube failed because they are translators and translators translate,not edit.
I need to submit the Spanish version for translation and start the normal procedure then once inside do something completly different.
The support team suggested that I could try to come to a private entente or understanding with the translator interested in the Spanish version and then convince him / her to do the edit.
In the mean time I wrote them an spanish mail renouncing to further applications.
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:-)
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This thread is... well... shall I say... amusing?
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firstater fernando wrote:
Elodie,
To tell you that my first attempt at Babelcube failed because they are translators and translators translate,not edit.
I need to submit the Spanish version for translation and start the normal procedure then once inside do something completly different.
The support team suggested that I could try to come to a private entente or understanding with the translator interested in the Spanish version and then convince him / her to do the edit.
In the mean time I wrote them an spanish mail renouncing to further applications.
As previously suggested on Dec 3:
Elodie wrote:
It might be best to start over from scratch.
Take the story as it was originally written in Spanish, and try babelcube (was that what it's called?) like another poster suggested.
Their translation might be better than the garbled Spanglish it is at the moment, and might get you a little bit further.
It would've saved you, me and babelcube time if you had gone with my previous suggestion, I didn't suggest it for nothing ;)

I suggest (and please take my suggestion serious this time!), that when you ask a translator to translate from Spanish to English, to very polity ask for a royalty based deal.
(I know I wouldn't, I don't normally translate for free, but you might get a translator crazy enough to go along with such a deal).
It just means that you don't have to pay them upfront.
You will only pay them royalties from the sales of their translated work (like 50/50, 40/60 or 30/70).
So if you sell 0 e-books, you pay them nothing. If you sell 10, 100 or even a 1000 e-books, you pay them a percentage of what you earned with that e-book.
Just make sure you make copies/screenshots of what you sell every month, (or a copy of the Month-to-Date Royalty report from Amazon will do) even if it is nothing, to prove to them you either earned $0 or $1000, or anything in between.
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acornwriter wrote:
This thread is... well... shall I say... amusing?
I do feel like I have to apologize for turning a popcorn thread into something a little more serious :(
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Don't worry you're doing good samaritan work. But why does the line 'help of the helpless, oh, abide with me' ring in my ears?
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The editor position is vacant and no one want to get in.

There's a good reason for that: you aren't where you should be going to hire an editor. You seem to think you can appoint someone here to be your editor, and it doesn't work that way.

I can see you have had bad experiences with some bad writers that you want to forget, but I am different.

What?

I am not saying you to give me your interest and time and work.
It was you all that started saying that the book needed revision,correction, formatting and all kinds of things I don't know to do.

Yeah, we told you that trying to help you understand why you won't get sales with the book as written. None of us were offering to help you, to take the work and fix it (well, someone offered, but they soon learned it was beyond fixing).

And it was a good feeling,as one bride been readying for the ceremony with people around me caring the make up ,the robe ,all the details.Beside that I am a boy and will never allow anyone to paint me the lips to look more attractive than I am.

I know we are from different cultures, but 70% of what you type here makes no sense whatsoever. And I try hard to parse it, believe me.

But at the end of tnis journey I still don't know if the book is good or is only another more one misperception of the many I had in my life making it difficult for me to make a clear distinction of inside outside.

No one can tell if the story is any good because no one can understand it. There's too much going on between proper English and how you understand English. This is why we keep telling you that it might work better to write the book in your native tongue and find a qualified translator. Sending this book to Bablecube isn't going to work in its current form. It just won't.

So ,is there someone ready to say me truth about the inside of Spooky Spoke and not my bad grammar?

Sigh. Again, we can't tell if the story is any good because as written, there's no way to know. No one can understand what you want to say.

I told you I am a foreign writer and your criteria must be different.

No, that's not it. What is at issue here is that you have written a book that is basically unreadable as you have it. You don't have more than the most basic understanding of English, and certainly nothing about how we structure our sentences, word usage, punctuation or spelling. You seem unwilling to accept that.

Also, you don't have any notion about writing as a craft, and publishing as a business. It's not just slapping some words down and hitting the publish button, then waiting for the sales to come. It's not that easy for any of us, whether we are from the US, Europe, South America or wherever. This is a harsh, heartbreaking business, and if you can't learn how to do it, then you won't ever get anywhere.

There's the dream of being a "writer", and then there is the reality. Saying Amazon doesn't know how to sell books is a cop out. One thing they do well is sell stuff, lots and lots of stuff. But they can't sell crap. No one can. It's up to each of us to work hard and do the best job we can to provide a product people want. It's not Amazon's job, it's not Random Poster on a message board, it's not the reader's job. It's ours.

No one cares that you aren't a native English speaker. No one cares about your reasons for writing, who you want to read the story, how rich or poor you are, what sex, what religion, nothing. All they want is to find a story that is interesting, well-written and properly edited/proofread. If you want people to buy -- or even just to read it -- you have to provide the story in a way they can actually read it. As of now, you aren't even close.

And I'm sorry if that hurts anyone's feelings, but it is what it is. And it's only going to get harder as more good writers start going indie.

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grandmaster wrote:
I am not saying you to give me your interest and time and work.
It was you all that started saying that the book needed revision,correction, formatting and all kinds of things I don't know to do.

Yeah, we told you that trying to help you understand why you won't get sales with the book as written. None of us were offering to help you, to take the work and fix it (well, someone offered, but they soon learned it was beyond fixing).

This is exactly why I offered to, (and did), translate a small portion of his book, so he could see the difference. But he's also been told that won't help him. He needs to start the translation from scratch from Spanish.
Hopefully that'll get through.
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Shalom,I am here attending at your chat and I must recognise that I don't understand all and everything .This makes me think that not all is aimed at me , you are talking about something different and I am in the middle of a social gathering where are being said things outside my personal experience.
I only want to react or respond to one of the remarks .
Grandmaster says that it is not acceptable to write , upload and hit the button Publish because craft , sweat and good understanding of the quality standards are required to every prospective writer.
I don't know how many of you give lessons on creative writing and so on.
I never in my life was at one of those ateliers and I am sure that if I had demanded the advice or opinion of a teacher or professor certainly I should have been discouraged of writing about a dog in a kitchen .
Of course I don't know how is teaching in your country.
I like to see many indie authors at Kindle but you have to tell to them that they are not forced to write action movie scripts or sci fi or fantasy and different sort of books also exists and people will be free to have their say ,tell their experience and create around.
If you maintain them closed in limitation you are deserving the apostolate you carry.

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Firstater,

Anyone could write a story, and everyone is allowed to publish them if they want to.

John could write a fantasy story about a magic coffee table and Jane could write a science fiction romance about the alien that abducted and married her.
There are a billion readers out there, and every story will find an audience, BUT, only if those stories are written in grammatically correct English.
Without proper English, ‘The Magic Coffee table’ and ‘The Alien I fell in love with’ won’t find their audience either. No matter how much of a master piece these two books could be.

They can publish them if they want.
But if they want to sell their stories, they need to be written to a good English standard.
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Elodie,I can't go back to school and start from the beginning.What I need is assistance but you say that not a helping hand is available.
This was my last English book.Your are too much exigent and I can't compete in this market.
But I wasn't trying to sell you a defective item.
I was giving my book to my imaginary reader, someone with an interest in my story and never thought to sell it to a larger public.
I want one reader and if is a woman the better.
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When you write, remember to follow the rule of the 5 W's.

Who
What
When
Where
How
Why
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Hi Acorn,My love is platonic.Maybe I shouldn't have steered the conversation but I did not really steered anything at all.I can't.I have no the words in my lexicon.
I have been drawn into .
It is only a game.I want to tell to the lady that she got a friend.I know she appreciates and its all.
I see in her qualities also humor and I hope she is amazed to have a suitor.
But I don't want to be ejected from the Community if am doing something wrong and forbidden.
Tell me.
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firstater fernando wrote:
Elodie,I can't go back to school and start from the beginning.What I need is assistance but you say that not a helping hand is available.
Firstater, you don't need to go back to school.
All writers make mistakes, that's why most of us employ proof-readers and editors.
I know I certainly do. I even had to look up a few words in this thread in the dictionary like diapason and caprice. They're both words you've used, so your knowledge of English is there, it just needs a better grammatical structure.
Like you, I am not natively English either, and I know we all have to start somewhere.

I'm not saying a helping hand is not available, I'm just saying that, currently, my hands are not available.
(I'm working on 3 novels simultaneously, while also working on something for a friend and a translation that my grandmother has asked for...) I'm too busy right now.
And that probably accounts to most people here, a lot of the forum members -if not all- are working on their own novels.
That's not to say you can't find a helping hand though! Just probably not here.
Have a look on the internet, you might be able to find an editor who will help you just for their experience. There won't be many people, but with a bit of luck you might find something/someone.

But I don't want to be ejected from the Community if am doing something wrong and forbidden.
Tell me.
You haven't done anything wrong, and you won't be ejected from the Community.
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Elodie are you the girl from Canada and francophone?
Are you other girl?I must check in the records if her username was the yours.
Not many non native writers can be in this forum corresponding with me.The other girl has three names and I don't remember one.I must search in the November conversations.
I stopped following her because she is so far,as if she was on the moon.
I am also ashamed of behaving in this childishly way flirting with all the women writers but as I was saying you before the fascination you have over me is strong.
I have nothing more to add at this respect.
My circumstances are that in three days I am leaving this place to hit the road on my way to Bolivia so I must submit tomorrow the Spanish version to Babelcube using the computer at the public library.
Now that you are telling me a little about yourself say me if you write three books because you sell them well and you make a living out of it.
Have a nice evening.
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The OP appears to be more interested in dragging out his ramblings rather than getting on with the business of sorting it out. Aiming for someone else to do the hard graft of translating and editing instead of paying for it like everyone else. I'd save your energies for a worthier cause, but admire your efforts to help.

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I am not from Canada, I was born in The Netherlands, but don't live there anymore.
The 3 books I'm writing now are all different.
And I don't know if they will sell or not. I won't know until I publish them, which will take a little bit longer.
1 is about a boy who takes revenge on the men who killed his family. It's a thriller.
1 is about a girl who falls in love with her teacher. It's a romance.
1 is about a woman who is killed inside her house, and the detective has to figure out all the clues to find the person(s) responsible. It's a mystery.

Do make sure you don't forget to submit the Spanish version tomorrow, with a bit of luck it will be ready and waiting for you when you get back!
Safe travels!
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resteasy wrote:
The OP appears to be more interested in dragging out his ramblings rather than getting on with the business of sorting it out. Aiming for someone else to do the hard graft of translating and editing instead of paying for it like everyone else. I'd save your energies for a worthier cause, but admire your efforts to help.
Thanks for the advice :)
I only come here when I've got writers block, or the OH is playing pc games next to me and is just being generally disruptive.
It's just a way for me to clear my mind and let the story percolate while I do things I don't really have to think about :)
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The boy falling in love with the teacher I know because it happened to me in 1980 learning Hebrew at the kibbutz and was motivated to study roots with the dictionary and in my interior dialog with the teacher.
The woman murdered inside her home happened here in Chile last month.The woman,45, mother of four,hired a carpenter to work at her house.
He killed her and buried the body far away in the woods.
At request of her sons a psychic found the corpse weeks later.The suspect is detained but the psychic says that she can see at trial more than one,others more involved in the murder.Then she see the future.Is very strange.
I remember this because I am concerned with the reality of the existence of those secret criminals that one day concretise what they have been hidding.
I go to Bolivia before the end of the visa,I do not overstay.I want to reach Ecuador in March.
Thankyou Elodie
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:)
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Fernando,

I'm the girl from Canada with three names but only enough knowledge of French to get by. I'm not on the moon either, although a wiseass (not on this thread) did ask me what planet I'm from.

Elodie really is kind enough to be mistaken for a Canadian. I'm only a naturalized Canadian, but this country does have the magic quality of bringing out the best in people.

Please, please don't abandon your plan of submitting your work to Babelcube. Momentum is very important. You have received such good advice from Elodie. Please honour it by following it.

Good luck with the book and with your travels.

Veronica
(my one real name)
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Posted: Dec 10, 2016 5:20 AM   in response to: 10blade in response to: 10blade
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Veronica,I don't know what to say.
Maybe two things.One is I do not deserve your affection.I am not who you think.
Two.Elodie and you are my first readers and all the hard work,the sweating and the unbelievable privations I was through was worth it because at the end of the road I found you two.
You may think this is not a very serious statement and I turn into derision two good friendships but is not that.
You don't know me and this is why you like me.
I am homeless for the last thirty years since my former spouse put me outside.We were initiating the divorce proceedings and she changed the door lock.I slept more than a week outside in the car.She throwed my clothes by the windows yelling: - Take,son of a bitch.
And I didn't saw her anymore.I became a routard and started to travel in France and more countries.I remember once I had to pay 20 gulden fine to the train controller .
I spent 11 days in jail in Bangkok for four months over stay and I have been deported once from Italy with my dog Euro by Alitalia to Tel Aviv and other time from Brazil to Israel .
Now I am in Southamerica swinging for one country to the next.T he only important in this moment is to stay far from Argentina because of the security concerns.The levels of delinquency are so high and I am too much exposed to be attacked,robbed and killed in the streets.
That is why I am going once more North to Ecuador.
I hope to see you one day but is very doubtful because I couldn't get the American visa even with the Israeli passport.
We can be pen friends and this good.
The only problem is that this letter is for both of you without distinction.
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Re: Kindle don't know to sell books
Posted: Dec 10, 2016 3:26 PM   in response to: james in response to: james
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I was angry too but I read around on some of these other posts and ran campaigns and ads. My book has taken off. Don't get Discouraged. That's the amateur mistake I made. Amazon only posts your book for sale, they don't market it for you. Unfortunately that's your job. You wrote the book, now it's your business to sell it. :)
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Re: Kindle don't know to sell books
Posted: Dec 10, 2016 4:49 PM   in response to: firstater ferna... in response to: firstater ferna...
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Firstater,

Do you mind me calling you Firstater, or you do you prefer Fernando as Veronica (10blade) calls you?
Please let us know what happens with the Babelcube translation.
If the translation doesn't work out as planned, I could offer myself up as a translator for you.

Just know that it comes with a few conditions.
1; I want to know the type of dog Spooky was.
2; I'd want you to UNPUBLISH the English version or Spooky Spoke while I am working on it, and want to receive the original story in Word format.
3; I might take a little while longer to translate than someone who you would pay for. But while it takes longer, it will be translated, edited and formatted to a professional standard.
4; I will supply a new (professional) cover for your book, IF YOU ADHERE TO THE PREVIOUS CONDITIONS.

If the babelcube translation doesn't work out as you planned, and you want to send me the original document, please let me know, and I will give you my email address.

#

Every person deserves a chance in live, and being a writer and telling your story might just be your chance.
It might just be your legacy, and for that reason alone, I'd like to help you.

Everyone deserves a second chance at life.

Edited by: Elodie on Dec 11, 2016 4:22 AM
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Re: Kindle don't know to sell books
Posted: Dec 11, 2016 3:35 AM   in response to: Elodie in response to: Elodie
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Elodie is yes.
I prefer with you .
Babelcube is one good idea for facilitating the random computerised encounter between the pair ( terms of the equation).I don't know how it was in the past,I think publishing houses managed that.
From Babelcube I was anticipating only indifference.
Normal people don't want to step into problems.They are working .

You can take all the time you need.

Spooky was a small dog.( I have a black and white photo and then his name was Bienvenu )

I accept all the conditions.

Call me Firstater.

This is the dream come true (common places are handy) finding the translator in the noosphere or in karma instead of a mercenary not related at all with the theme,the drama.
Yes ,I am one of the few homeless holding a pen but not a militant for one public cause and you don't need that .
Maybe you see in me one of your friends but I can't say the same.I never had one friend like you.
Buenos Aires. In the sixties I was fourteen and the alma mater of our group of friends was a lady in her forties,mother of Daisy, a teenager.She was a traductor, had many books at home that I could borrow and the kitchen was full of cockroaches.
At that moment my mother said that in my illusion I was seeing butterflies.
Of course I had not written a book yet and she never saw me as one of her potential client.
Years later I discovered that she translated The world by Garp into Spanish.

I passed by the Netherlands a couple of times heading north.I have stay always on the motorway and never been at Amsterdam . Maybe in my next life.I have a lot of hopes in the next life.
Elodie , you are very courageous to engage with this that you could easily avoid.
Bye.All the better for you.
Fernando
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Re: Kindle don't know to sell books
Posted: Dec 11, 2016 3:36 AM   in response to: penny davis in response to: penny davis
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P.A. Davis, someone who writes,wrote ,about a devil's possession cannot be insecure as you affect to be in your posts.
If you want to sell your books you must be more dominant. People must to be showed what to buy and what to read.
Davis,you are a good writer but a bad sales woman and you have to be good in both
Try again

Edited by: firstater fernando on Dec 11, 2016 3:38 AM
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Re: Kindle don't know to sell books
Posted: Dec 11, 2016 3:43 AM   in response to: Elodie in response to: Elodie
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Elodie II
What is the original story?Not the original version.The original version is two years old and has changed a lot since.
You mean the latest version I'm working on it? Isn't?
My email is fdfirstater@hotmail.com and firstaterfernando@gmail.com
I am not frustated and needing a second chance.All is in order, now I see things getting in place .It became clear.
The fact of meeting you shows that life has a proper coherency at least for those you care for it.
About my legacy as you say.
I like to think that those were not my last words and I still can do something better.

Shelf Shelves
Calf Calves
All that will be dismissed using our new device ,the Telephaton. The new way to transmit your thoughts in loud voice . Don't miss it.
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Re: Kindle don't know to sell books
Posted: Dec 11, 2016 11:57 AM   in response to: firstater ferna... in response to: firstater ferna...
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Firstater,

I will email you shortly from my Star account, I haven't had the time yet.
I have, however, played around with covers, and have made a simple yet striking first edition of a new cover (Please don't upload this, I want you to un-publish the story).

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I did notice that your story is still online.
It would do you well to un-publish it as soon as possible, as the current version isn't doing you any favours.

What I meant with you sending me the original version of Spooky Spoke, was the current word document.
-Before it was translated by Babelcube.
But I will send you an email during the week with more instructions.
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Re: Kindle don't know to sell books
Posted: Dec 11, 2016 1:21 PM   in response to: Elodie in response to: Elodie
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Elodie, the silhouette of the dog is catch eye,much more than many others I saw in Kindle books.But you forget that we are dealing with an ebook not a printed one.
I tell you,in my proposal (proposal is the word they employ )to Babelcube and trying to entice someone to make the "traduccion" I proposed fifty fifty.
You haven't evoked the subjet but if we are going to earn with it then half of the booty is only justice.I hope you don't want all for you.
Remember it is fifty percent of the 35 % of 2.99 usd at the current price.But I leave all the details in your hands.
I do not smoke cigarettes since sixteen years and do not drink a drop of nothing fifteen years and I am here only for the fun.
Ok I will unpublish Spooky spoke tomorrow .
At this respect I wanted to say that you can take one year writing with Spooky and me .
I will live the time to see Spooky spoke published alive and selling well with all the attention you are putting in it.
Please do not lose that concentration you have now to start drifting over a brighter light.
Tomorrow I will unpublish the Spooky sample of a thousand words from Babelcube with a brief note about another compromise somewhere else.
And I wait for more instructions.It is a pleasure to be under your command.I only hope that you know what we are doing .
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Re: Kindle don't know to sell books
Posted: Dec 11, 2016 1:40 PM   in response to: penny davis in response to: penny davis
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You have been talking with James and posted in my mailbox here.Then for me is valid and personal.

Penny excuse me.I regret what I did.It was the emotional speed of the good news and you was there too.
I know your post was business like oriented.N ever mentioning a book in particular.
Now the only way out I see is you making me remonstrances and admonestations and we follow being friends.I never wanted to drive you off.The contrary is the true but I do not know how to relate with someone so delicate as you are.
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Re: Kindle don't know to sell books
Posted: Dec 11, 2016 2:02 PM   in response to: firstater ferna... in response to: firstater ferna...
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I do not ask for a percentage.
Normally I would, but I do this in my free time now (that's why it will take a lot longer).
All the money that you make when Spooky Spoke is published again as new, will be all yours.

And a cover of an ebook is just as important as a printed book.
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Posted: Dec 11, 2016 2:19 PM   in response to: Elodie in response to: Elodie
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What a crazy thing if you are in the picture for the good and for the bad and maybe you are deluded and the book will not find any interest .

I said before that it looks like I remind you your friends from the past.Well this is a vest I agree to wear.I said also that you didn't remind me any one from the past and you are new in my life,a new thing .You are not a thing but you are the first time for me.
Today I worked a lot on the english version,adding parts taken from the spanish version.
Elodie ,my technical question today is during the time you work over the file I can add other lacking parts , isn't?
I mean on the chapters ahead of you.Because one year is a lot of time for me to be sitting doing nothing.
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Posted: Dec 11, 2016 2:58 PM   in response to: firstater ferna... in response to: firstater ferna...
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You can add all you like.
When I email you I will aak for the document, but if you want to add somhdthing later, just let me know.

I won't take a year to complete the book, but maybe 3 to 6 months.
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Posted: Dec 11, 2016 4:47 PM   in response to: firstater ferna... in response to: firstater ferna...
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And yes, maybe I am deluded, but it has always been in my nature to help people.
Even in kindergarten I'd give kids the clothes off my back if they liked them...
My mother has always told me off for it, but at the same time loves me for it.
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Posted: Dec 11, 2016 5:49 PM   in response to: Elodie in response to: Elodie
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Elodie, don't you sleep?
Why are we talking on a public thread before everybody?
Mail me
If as you said you did help people you should be strong to get by with the weaker that often aren't very evolved .
But with me you got a friend who will not make you harm.
I am not carrying the big amount of pain you may think.
I am homeless ,I was in France after the divorce .I was in Israel for almost ten years and I am homeless today in this sixteen years long journey around four countries but in general I didn't develop bad emotions.I mean all the aggression is focused against the lumpen here and they are very numerous and all the bad feelings are for them.That is my problem .I do not attack friends.
Now about the book

You can trim,you are authorised to cut .
I write,I am inspired,is easy to write and later I see that is not interesting,is unnecessary and so on.
Please cut and may be obtain a readable thing.

In Holland I visited only one city,Gouda, on my way to Scandinavia.
I slept in winter time outside at school yard.The neighbours called police and police came late by night but they were cool and I could remain there for the night.
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Posted: Dec 12, 2016 7:11 AM   in response to: Elodie in response to: Elodie
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Good morning Elodie
The book is unpublished and I told to Babelcube call center girl ( by mail) that I have found a translator yet and that I was very lucky.
I updated La historia de Spuki and now is shinning as a diamond
And I wait for you to manifest because I have no a recipiente to send you the file.
You said it will be done during the week and it's OK .I am not urging you but is me leaving this place on Wednesday and the next WIFI hotspot on my way is 2000 km away.
That is the next public library with computers,Internet and WIFI.
I have a Samsung tablet working only on WIFI
On the road there are some petrol stations but it seems that my IP has been blocked by the server,maybe due to my past abuses.One and half hour everyday during one month was unacceptable for them because evidently I wasn't a true client.
My last post yesterday commenting about those wicked outside there and my faithfulness was one more example of my lack of savoir faire in the social domain.
And send me please your email address today or tomorrow Tuesday.
To start with
Elodie have a good day
Until tomorrow
Fernando Firstater
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Posted: Dec 21, 2016 9:27 AM   in response to: Elodie in response to: Elodie
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Hey, Elodie

I just jumped in here to give you a super THANKS for the book cover you gave me. I rec'd the first copy by UPS yesterday and it is beautiful!

William Evans
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Posted: Dec 22, 2016 2:39 AM   in response to: firstater ferna... in response to: firstater ferna...
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are you really?
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Posted: Dec 22, 2016 1:25 PM   in response to: Elodie in response to: Elodie
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Ted talks

Billy Collins: Two poems about what dogs think (probably)
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Posted: Dec 23, 2016 8:23 AM   in response to: firstater ferna... in response to: firstater ferna...
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Shalom,I am here attending at your chat and I must recognise that I don't understand all and everything .This makes me think that not all is aimed at me , you are talking about something different and I am in the middle of a social gathering where are being said things outside my personal experience.
I only want to react or respond to one of the remarks .

I get the feeling everything we’re saying here is outside your personal experience. You keep putting forth that because you don’t know something, it shouldn't apply to you. That’s not how this works. If you want to sell your work, you need to learn the business.

Grandmaster says that it is not acceptable to write , upload and hit the button Publish because craft , sweat and good understanding of the quality standards are required to every prospective writer.

Other than one forum member I know of, we all pretty much agree that writing requires knowledge, skill and practice.

I don't know how many of you give lessons on creative writing and so on.

Some do, from things I’ve read, but no one is going to give you a one-on-one creative writing course, and especially not over the Internet. Anything anyone would teach you, you can learn yourself by reading books on the writing craft. There are plenty of them out there, most libraries probably have at least a couple, and could have access to more.

I never in my life was at one of those ateliers and I am sure that if I had demanded the advice or opinion of a teacher or professor certainly I should have been discouraged of writing about a dog in a kitchen .

Why do you think that? Creative writing courses are to help people become professional writers. You probably would have been giving a critique, and the advice to tailor the story to the market, but what of it? That’s how it works.

Of course I don't know how is teaching in your country.

It's likely not all that different from anywhere else.

I like to see many indie authors at Kindle but you have to tell to them that they are not forced to write action movie scripts or sci fi or fantasy and different sort of books also exists and people will be free to have their say ,tell their experience and create around.

No one is forced to write anything (unless that’s part of their job description), but we do advise people to learn about genres, find one they would enjoy writing in, and doing that. It just makes being a writer easier and more fun. The better you can deliver a book someone actually wants to read, the better your chances you can actually make money from it.

If you maintain them closed in limitation you are deserving the apostolate you carry.

What?

Honestly, I think your issue is you expect someone to hold your hand at every step, giving free writing lessons and editing the book to make sense, all for free, because ??? You are special? You aren’t going to get that. You need to accept that if you want to be a writer, then you have to learn how to actually write. There are no shortcuts, no secret lists of “do X, Y and Z, and the sales will explode”. There’s nothing about this that is easy, or quick, or a magic bullet to being rich.

And I see you've gotten someone to do the work of translating your book. Elodie is a sweetheart, but I fear this is going to turn into quite a job. Good luck, Elodie.

Edited by: grandmaster on Dec 23, 2016 8:24 AM

Fixed a quoted bit.
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Posted: Dec 24, 2016 12:34 PM   in response to: grandmaster in response to: grandmaster
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Good evening Grandmaster,you see that future holds good surprises for the lucky ones and sometimes good books makes their way and becomes alive in Kindle KDP,but this is my joke.
The reality is Elodie going against odds and against the market.
I understand she works in the field and is used to dive into alien worlds of words and that she can shed light into the sense of the words and it is not only a gift-skill and also a lot of heart and generosity is needed to do that.
These kind of readers -writers are few and rare.
All the best for her in 2017

Tonight is Christmas and I want to say that Kindle self publishing is a good thing to exist and that Community Forum had given me a lot of mixed advises on what to do with my first book and my feeling of a newbie was one of perplexity.
Whom are they I'm talking with?
Who are all they?
Why the concealed identities?
Do they fear for their lives in this Forum?
Are they paid for what they do?
These are some of the questions when I see this big enterprise of Community running by all weather.
Grandmaster,the irony in your name makes me think that you hide something.
Merry Christmas from the north Chilean desert
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Posted: Dec 24, 2016 5:42 PM   in response to: firstater ferna... in response to: firstater ferna...
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{quote:title=firstater fernando wrote:}{quote)
These are some of the questions when I see this big enterprise of Community running by all weather.
Grandmaster,the irony in your name makes me think that you hide something.

Like anyone sensible, he probably doesn't want to reveal his identity to timewasters looking for freebies and trying to take advantage of decent people offering to help them. Merry Christmas.

Edited by: resteasy on Dec 24, 2016 5:42 PM
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Posted: Dec 30, 2016 4:59 PM   in response to: William Evans in response to: William Evans
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William Evans wrote:
Hey, Elodie

I just jumped in here to give you a super THANKS for the book cover you gave me. I rec'd the first copy by UPS yesterday and it is beautiful!

William Evans
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William, you made me blush :)
I'm happy you like it!
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Posted: Dec 30, 2016 5:04 PM   in response to: grandmaster in response to: grandmaster
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grandmaster wrote:
And I see you've gotten someone to do the work of translating your book. Elodie is a sweetheart, but I fear this is going to turn into quite a job. Good luck, Elodie.

Quite a job you say?
I have to admit I like a challenge, but this is seems to be a little more than 'a challenge',
Whole sections have to be restructured :/
Ah well, I guess I'm committed now :)

However, the debate on whether I'm a sweetheart or just simply insane is still out...

Thanks for the Good luck tho ;)
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resteasy wrote:
{quote:title=firstater fernando wrote:}{quote)
These are some of the questions when I see this big enterprise of Community running by all weather.
Grandmaster,the irony in your name makes me think that you hide something.

Like anyone sensible, he probably doesn't want to reveal his identity to timewasters looking for freebies and trying to take advantage of decent people offering to help them. Merry Christmas.

Edited by: resteasy on Dec 24, 2016 5:42 PM


Exactly. Giving honest advice under a real name leads to one-star reviews and people spreading nasty stuff over the Internet. Not going to put up with that crap.

As to some further questions by the OP:

Tonight is Christmas and I want to say that Kindle self publishing is a good thing to exist and that Community Forum had given me a lot of mixed advises on what to do with my first book and my feeling of a newbie was one of perplexity.

Well, I'm pretty sure we've pretty much given the same advice, which is that this book is not ready for publication in its current state. You need to either write it in your native tongue and find a good translator, or learn English, or find someone to edit who knows English as a native speaker.

Whom are they I'm talking with?

Many of us are long-time writers who have studied the craft extensively, practiced if, often for years, and have taken the time to learn about self-publishing and all that entails.

Who are all they?

Why do you care?

Why the concealed identities?

To prevent nasty things from happening, as noted below.

Do they fear for their lives in this Forum?

Some do, actually. Members have received death threats, threats to get them arrested on trumped up charges, post their names and addresses on various places on the web, and other things. Many have had bad reviews posted and horrible things said about them elsewhere. Many have had their accounts here banned.

Are they paid for what they do?

Not for posting here. This is done out of often misguided and pointless desire to help fellow writers and aspiring writers. Several very good and helpful posters have left because of the stress of trying to push good advice through the nonsense.

These are some of the questions when I see this big enterprise of Community running by all weather.

Yeah, whatever. It's the Internet, it has no worry about weather. Asteroids hitting the satellites, maybe.
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I don't know if is licit to share videos,Ted talks in this forum.But these two videos can be useful to explain why foreigners started to write in English putting you in a bad trance.
I even didn't knew I was a part of a mega trend and I am not.
Good year for all of you devoted to the begginers of all kinds.

Jay Walker: The world's English mania
http://go.ted.com/h6zHz


Patricia Ryan: Don't insist on English!
http://go.ted.com/YVKTbA

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firstater fernando wrote:
I don't know if is licit to share videos,Ted talks in this forum.But these two videos can be useful to explain why foreigners started to write in English putting you in a bad trance.
I even didn't knew I was a part of a mega trend and I am not.
Good year for all of you devoted to the begginers of all kinds.

I'm not in a bad trance, or mood, if you will. I'm just responding to posts and trying to set things in the proper framework, and help if possible. Since you don't seem to get what we're saying, it's kind of pointless.

Why foreigners started to write in English? I imagine it's the same reasons native English-speaking people with marginal language skills did: to cash in on that amazing road to riches called being a self-published writer. There are all manner of books, videos, websites and forums telling people all they have to do is put up a book, and the money will just roll in.

It's a scam. It doesn't matter how much one wants it to be true, it's not that easy. It's never been that easy, and it never will be that easy. Even in the early days of ebooks, when readers were desperate for books to read, they wouldn't download the crap people are "writing" these days.

It's one thing to be a beginning writer, and quite another to think all that's required is words in a file, a crappy cover and one line blurb that no one understands. One can learn to write effectively, one can improve story telling skills. But it takes doing the work, learning what it takes, or learning how to find and hire translators and editors, cover designers, formatters or whatever.

Now, you can keep on flogging this horse, but it's dead and rotting. Soon there will only be bones left. There's no advantage to continuing this. Either do as we've advised, keep trying to sell a book that isn't ready, or move on to something else.
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It's never been that easy

True, but it was a whole lot easier five years ago, before Select and KU broke the model, and the race to the bottom began.

Good luck! -- NJ

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Re: Kindle don't know to sell books
Posted: Jan 7, 2017 7:26 AM   in response to: Notjohn in response to: Notjohn
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Notjohn wrote:
It's never been that easy

True, but it was a whole lot easier five years ago, before Select and KU broke the model, and the race to the bottom began.


Surely you had to know it wasn't going to stay like that? Even the California gold rush had a brief period when few were involved and making bank, but knew they had to brace for the incoming hordes.

You're a lot like Fernando, in that you can't seem to move on. The "good ol' days" are gone, if they ever where that good. Back in those days you bemoan the passing of, there were plenty of other issues that made selling books hard. You may have forgotten, but many of us remember and have adapted.

The best thing we can do is look at where we're at, take an honest look at what we're selling, and figure out how to move forward to best take advantage of what is truly a great opportunity. The past is gone. It's not coming back. Complaining about it isn't going to change that. The present is here, and it will be gone before you know it.
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Re: Kindle don't know to sell books
Posted: Jan 10, 2017 6:50 AM   in response to: grandmaster in response to: grandmaster
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I know my English is terrible insufficient but I want to participate in this debate.
What is a book ?
Is self expression,self healing and the joy of being in shape or one more good story added to the list or here is place for both?
In my opinion a good book first at all must be important for it's writer.
If this condition is filled then that book merit to live.
Your problem in your circle with low sales and one reduced public (I saw how they buy the last hard cover and never read it.My aunt was like that) come from your initial assumption that books are principally a merchandise when never before in history they were a matter of commerce since you started to make and put them like objects in the market.But this is not only an American distortion ,is a generalized distortion.
I can't trace which book was the first editorial success but it wasn't Moby Dick.
I accept that Kindle needs to make profits to live but I don't think we must worry for it's future.
Kindle will continue to do well and I can have for ever this excellent platform to autopublish my memories and testimonies to keep them safe in the Amazon cloud. That's the only realistic thing I may want and expect to do with my spanish books.I am a marginal and do not want to compete in other's race.
But if you can sell yourbooks ,do it.I would like to sell mines too.
In a sense I admire you even if I don't want to be in your place.
Take into account that I don't know what are you writing when you keep that away from Community.
I write this because you ,in general, are comparing apples with peaches and reproaching me to be boring and repetitive and uninteresting all the way attacking the core of my person but using arguments of style, grammar, syntax never going to the content.Nothing is said about characters,plot and the uniqueness of a human experience.
Of course I only want to keep the fire alive and keep the talk going.I like to be here in your company but I can't be as serious as you are about books.
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Re: Kindle don't know to sell books
Posted: Jan 11, 2017 8:53 AM   in response to: firstater ferna... in response to: firstater ferna...
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firstater fernando wrote:
I know my English is terrible insufficient but I want to participate in this debate.

What debate? People post threads, others respond. It's called a conversation.

What is a book ?

Google is your friend.

Is self expression,self healing and the joy of being in shape or one more good story added to the list or here is place for both?

There's room for all manner of subjects, as has been shown throughout history.

In my opinion a good book first at all must be important for it's writer.
If this condition is filled then that book merit to live.

Well, it may have merit, but that doesn't mean it has any potential to sell. People seem to not understand that just because on wrote a book does not mean someone has to buy it. Sales are not guaranteed, even for the "best" book ever written.

Your problem in your circle with low sales and one reduced public (I saw how they buy the last hard cover and never read it.My aunt was like that) come from your initial assumption that books are principally a merchandise when never before in history they were a matter of commerce since you started to make and put them like objects in the market.But this is not only an American distortion ,is a generalized distortion.

What? Lots of people don't read books they buy. I don't know where you're getting any of this supposed insight into my thoughts or beliefs. If one intends to sell their writing, then it is a matter of commerce.

I can't trace which book was the first editorial success but it wasn't Moby Dick.

It was the Bible, if you're meaning sales.

I accept that Kindle needs to make profits to live but I don't think we must worry for it's future.
Kindle will continue to do well and I can have for ever this excellent platform to autopublish my memories and testimonies to keep them safe in the Amazon cloud. That's the only realistic thing I may want and expect to do with my spanish books.I am a marginal and do not want to compete in other's race.

I wouldn't count on Amazon being around forever. Sooner or later, something will happen. Once Jeff Bezos is gone, it will likely be split up.

But if you can sell yourbooks ,do it.I would like to sell mines too.

I'm selling my books, and I and many others here have tried to help you sell yours, but you ignore what we say. That's on you. There's no magic beans you can plant to make something sell that simply isn't ready to sell.

In a sense I admire you even if I don't want to be in your place.

Why wouldn't you want to be in my place? I am experienced, with enough talent to sell books in a marketplace that it isn't easy to do that in. Yet, you say you want to sell books.

Take into account that I don't know what are you writing when you keep that away from Community.

Because people, as has already been explained, do not take kindly to people who won't pat them on the head and give them good reviews on their work. I refuse to put my writing and my reputation at risk because some people are vengeful.

You don't need to know what I write. You can take any piece of advice I've given you and others, and research it. You will see that I'm telling you the truth.

I write this because you ,in general, are comparing apples with peaches and reproaching me to be boring and repetitive and uninteresting all the way attacking the core of my person but using arguments of style, grammar, syntax never going to the content.Nothing is said about characters,plot and the uniqueness of a human experience.

No, I'm not. I've never told you to be boring, repetitive nor uninteresting. I have never attacked the core of your person. I have said that your writing in English is flawed. It is the truth. You are not capable of writing effectively in this language, because readers will not accept it.

I looked at your book. The truth is, as written no one can give you any data regarding character, plot nor anything else. It's simply not readable in this form.

Everyone thinks they're expressing some uniqueness of the human experience. It's why we tell our stories. You aren't doing anything remarkable, nor different, than any other writer has ever done. You have a huge belief in what you write, and that's great, right up to the point where you can't accept honest, freely given criticism which could make your book actually sell.

Of course I only want to keep the fire alive and keep the talk going.I like to be here in your company but I can't be as serious as you are about books.

Then, why are you writing? If you aren't serious about providing a good reading experience to people you expect to turn over their hard-earned money, then you're wasting your time, the reader's time, and the time of those on these forums where you keep flogging this same argument.

Being a non-native English speaker, poor, handicapped, of a different ethnic background, gender, religion or political leaning means nothing. People have overcome all these things and become successful writers. The difference between them and people like you is they accept that they must learn and grow, to better themselves. To not use excuses to explain to readers they must buy your book, because...

Why don't you take the time to read threads on the forums and see how others cope with these issues? Try to become a part of the community at large, rather than continue to complain and whinge about how awful it is for you, for reasons. You might find that you can learn from the struggles of others, many of whom have worked very hard to become writers. We've all had troubles and barriers to get where we want to be.
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Re: Kindle don't know to sell books
Posted: Jan 17, 2017 9:52 PM   in response to: firstater ferna... in response to: firstater ferna...
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And you don't know how to write English.
firstater ferna...

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Posted: Jan 18, 2017 5:20 AM   in response to: John Aitken in response to: John Aitken
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Yes,no,I don't know but I have worst problems to deal with.
Any way with Google Traductor we can comunicate.It is intended to bridge gaps or any other expression you may have in use.
Bye
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Re: Kindle don't know to sell books
Posted: Jan 19, 2017 9:08 PM   in response to: firstater ferna... in response to: firstater ferna...
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firstater fernando wrote:
Yes,no,I don't know but I have worst problems to deal with.
Any way with Google Traductor we can comunicate.It is intended to bridge gaps or any other expression you may have in use.
Bye

Bye? If only you meant it.

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Posted: Jan 20, 2017 7:24 AM   in response to: Ward Rogers in response to: Ward Rogers
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I don't know who you are
I don't know what do you want to do
I didn't invited you to my thread
I could see that everywhere you utter very short sentences commenting world affairs,others people's lives and books and I assure you that it is insufficient to see if you are clever or dumb or sane or sick.I even don't know if you are a indie writer.
One of two.You fade away or you state your mind.
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Re: Kindle don't know to sell books
Posted: Jan 23, 2017 12:56 AM   in response to: bill delorey in response to: bill delorey
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Exectly
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Posted: Jan 23, 2017 5:16 AM   in response to: firstater ferna... in response to: firstater ferna...
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firstater fernando wrote:
I don't know who you are
I don't know what do you want to do
I didn't invited you to my thread
I could see that everywhere you utter very short sentences commenting world affairs,others people's lives and books and I assure you that it is insufficient to see if you are clever or dumb or sane or sick.I even don't know if you are a indie writer.
One of two.You fade away or you state your mind.

Ah, the list of things you do not know. Have we the time? I think not, Ferdy.

grandmaster

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Posted: Jan 23, 2017 5:20 AM   in response to: firstater ferna... in response to: firstater ferna...
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I didn't invited you to my thread

You post, anyone can read, anyone can reply. Dem's da roolz.
grandmaster

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Posted: Jan 23, 2017 5:21 AM   in response to: firstater ferna... in response to: firstater ferna...
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Any way with Google Traductor we can comunicate.

So you say. I have my doubts that anything is being communicated other than your attempts to make these forums about something they aren't, for whatever reason is floating your boat.

I really need blinkers so I can avoid the train wrecks.
firstater ferna...

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Posted: Jan 24, 2017 10:57 AM   in response to: Ward Rogers in response to: Ward Rogers
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Hey you,are you still here?
Let me tell you that later on I felt ashamed of that post mistreating you ,inocent surfer.
But then I was disconnected.No way to edit or whatsoever.
I have no right to make you feel bad even if you made me feel bad before.
This thread cannot be turn into a shooting range so I beg your pardon. You can comment on me whatever you want and I won't retaliate.
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Today I am very happy to republish Spooky Spoke
Posted: Mar 1, 2017 5:12 AM   in response to: firstater ferna... in response to: firstater ferna...
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Announcement 1 march 2017
Spooky Spoke has been republished in its old version awaiting for one coming update.

A friend is working on the edition and in the meantime the existent Spooky Spoke is available

Fernando Firstater
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grandmaster

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Re: Today I am very happy to republish Spooky Spoke
Posted: Mar 1, 2017 5:58 AM   in response to: firstater ferna... in response to: firstater ferna...
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Oh, yay.
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Posted: Mar 10, 2017 12:19 PM   in response to: Elodie in response to: Elodie
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Elodie ,are you here?
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Non edited
Last weeks I have been translating many fragments,two entire chapters and sometimes mere sentences from the Spooky Spoke and pasting them in La historia de Spuki in order to complete the book and reach the final version if this kind of stasis state exist in such unstable element.
During the operation of reading, spotting and picking those parts and converting into Spanish I had for the first time the realisation and recognition of the disaster I incurred while writing in English.
The result was very low quality of language spoiling a good theme.
But we met and you said me that it wasn't hopeless and beyond repair and you could rewrite word by word to make a proper text from my disastrous English attempt.
Not long ago you was going to send some of your work and I have been waiting because as everybody else I need to see to believe something is real.
I am not indifferent to this issue.I know I can't hurry you because you are doing a voluntary task for free, maybe because you liked the story or as you have affirmed you are related with the people in the fringes but even me I can worry about what is going on because if you can't or won't do this self imposed job you only have to say me to be relieved of the burden and next time,one day, I should take the Spanish version to translating .
Of course I prefer to wait and see what you doing ,get your job done and take this English Spooky Spoke as the consolidated book to present to the world.
I am in your hands but we can recover our freedom very easily if you have a clear idea of what you want to do.
It is not I try to waste this opening you offered me but I need to be in the certain .
I hope you'll understand.
Bye ,write me with a cool head.
Firstater
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Posted: Mar 13, 2017 7:01 AM   in response to: firstater ferna... in response to: firstater ferna...
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Notice of cessation of contract
I don't like this.Why do I need to publish my thoughts and show my fears to everybody?
This blackboard is the last place I should want to write.

December was holidays but January, February and half Mars passed and I haven't seen one page.
To my knowledge you did nothing and I expect nothing.
Forget everything.
I am sorry for my bad manners ,for sure you deserved more consideration.
I do not know what arouse this disproportionate amount of aggression.Put this reaction into my post traumatic stress disorder account.I'm crazy, that's it.
I am afraid of being unjust with you, at the begining you showed the best intentions and now that this failed for unknown reasons I can't mistreat you.

For the strangers here I have to say that this is about a failed translation and nothing more happened.

But the main reason is that since December the book has changed a lot.
I told you that ahead of your work I was going to introduce changes ( but the needed cooperation suffered from a lack of collaboration) add,supress,(mostly add closing to achievement and perfection),and this is what I have been doing on the Spanish version.
Now that one is the book and the December document you received is a discarded draft.
And may be in the far future I will translate the book into English using one of those professional tools coming along with cheap quantum computers.

firstater ferna...

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Posted: Mar 16, 2017 5:03 AM   in response to: Elodie in response to: Elodie
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(She)come on ,we are famous,it is our quart of an hour.
I am a genius,I made us famous.
Now is your turn to make your move and the better for me could be you saying that you are actually doing the edition work and you think to terminate and then I will say this is a very happy ending and you can have a share of the revenues and your name on the book cover and we are going to be watched as a good pair of eccentrics.
This first option is the optimum.

The second can be you saying that you are bored and want to know nothing more of this unpleasant bad experience with me on the Community forum and in this case I will comprehend because many times we mistake something for something else.It happens all the time.

But whatever you will decide to do you have to do as soon as possible because the world is keeping its eyes on us.
That's why I say that you must ride the wave,take the opportunity and making hocus-pocus here save us from a sad defeat.

I mean we can still be friends.
Lets make it a comedy because it isn't as serious as people may think.
Not everything written black on a white sheet is true,sometimes is only art.

Someone out there,he is smart indeed,said that I bite your hand.
Please (She) come out and say them you don't think I commit treason and everything is OK.
I am waiting for you
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Re: You are my first Kindle contact
Posted: Mar 16, 2017 2:52 PM   in response to: writerbn in response to: writerbn
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Re: You are my first Kindle contact
Posted: Mar 17, 2017 11:45 AM   in response to: tommy london in response to: tommy london
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I like your posts, Tommy.
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Posted: Mar 23, 2017 4:04 PM   in response to: tommy london in response to: tommy london
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I too enjoy your posts, Tommy.

The perfectionist and linguistics nerd in me wants to point out that "Urbis Phobia" means "fear of the city" (= being afraid of the city). If you want "City of Fear," it would be "Urbs Phobiae." But maybe that's not what you meant, and maybe it doesn't matter anyway. Maybe the best results come from unplanned little slipups. I will try to emulate your mood of quiet happiness with the product.
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Re: You are my first Kindle contact
Posted: Mar 24, 2017 10:32 AM   in response to: 10blade in response to: 10blade
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I enjoyed that post about Latin grammar. The aliens in my fiction spoke broken Latin and other languages monitored
from Earth over the ages. Then my hero was told, in a salop way, that the main issue was to live in "cities of fear" or
"places filled with anxiety" which refers to their ongoing state of civil war. It is very loosely based on the first Valerian
comic. Also an evil headgame, played by hidden leaders of alien planets upon the minds of human prisoners. It
is more or less a vague concept, coming from alien minds. Latin as filtered through quantum computers designed
long ago, far away. We are now checking out Squares of the City, by Brunner from 1965.

Edited by: tommy london on Mar 24, 2017 10:32 AM
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Re: You are my first Kindle contact
Posted: Mar 24, 2017 10:50 AM   in response to: tommy london in response to: tommy london
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I would expect any alien worth his/her/its salt to have a working command of pig Latin at the very least ;-)
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Re: You are my first Kindle contact
Posted: Mar 28, 2017 11:46 PM   in response to: tommy london in response to: tommy london
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After reading almost all posts, this one is really interesting and fortunately up to date. Thanks Tommy
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Posted: Sep 23, 2017 8:46 AM   in response to: Isiah Boulay in response to: Isiah Boulay
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We checked this out. Positive response. We are doing intuitive marketing. We shall try to stay away from
personal issues. They are right about that. Anyway, you are welcome.

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