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BJ Eyland

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KDP Print wont take html format?
Posted: Jul 8, 2017 1:13 AM
 
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In 2015 I created my Kindle eBook - no problems with format. Sales of eBook are okay.

Today, i want to load it as a KDP print (beta) to create a print on demand paperback.
1) they say <quote> You can also upload a DOC (.doc), DOCX (.docx), HTML (.html), or RTF (.rtf). <end quote>

2) in another place they say - if you do this, then they will put the page numbering on for you.

3) and in another place they say - send them a zipped file.

The question is - has Anybody actually loaded a HTML file (zipped or otherwise) into KDP Print (beta)? I dont want to go the PDF route.

Donna St Felix

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Re: KDP Print wont take html format?
Posted: Jul 8, 2017 1:33 AM   in response to: BJ Eyland in response to: BJ Eyland
 
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BJ Eyland wrote:
In 2015 I created my Kindle eBook - no problems with format. Sales of eBook are okay.

Today, i want to load it as a KDP print (beta) to create a print on demand paperback.
1) they say <quote> You can also upload a DOC (.doc), DOCX (.docx), HTML (.html), or RTF (.rtf). <end quote>

2) in another place they say - if you do this, then they will put the page numbering on for you.

3) and in another place they say - send them a zipped file.

The question is - has Anybody actually loaded a HTML file (zipped or otherwise) into KDP Print (beta)? I dont want to go the PDF route.


A PDF is 'what you see' when you upload 'is what you get'. Much easier.
You would be VERY wise to do a paperback thru CreateSpace (also Amazon).
Notjohn

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Re: KDP Print wont take html format?
Posted: Jul 8, 2017 2:28 AM   in response to: BJ Eyland in response to: BJ Eyland
 
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I dont want to go the PDF route.

Why not? That is the only way to be sure your book looks the way you formatted it.

KDP Print Beta was rolled out at the end of September last year. The process was buggy, and it seems to remain so to this day. The quality of the books that actually go on sale is rather low, as you can see by doing a search on Amazon for Independently published

Its sole advantage is that the author-publisher gets to see his or her paperback sales on the same page as the Kindle sales. But really, how big an advantage is that? How many seconds does it take, really, to check one's sales on Createspace--ten seconds, thirty seconds?

In exchange, you get that buggy publishing process, no physical proof copy, no discounted author copies for gift or resale, and no distribution to Barnes & Noble or to brick-and-mortar bookstores. (Most small bookstores will, as a favor to a customer and perhaps a small surcharge, order a Createspace or IngramSpark paperback.) If you don't live in the US, the proof copy and author's copies won't be as attractive, because of high shipping costs, but still....

My advice is to stick with CreateSpace with its excellent cover wizard, helpful community forum, and direct-to-author discounted sales.

(And to upload a PDF!)

Good luck! -- NJ

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BJ Eyland

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Re: KDP Print wont take html format?
Posted: Jul 8, 2017 10:12 PM   in response to: Donna St Felix in response to: Donna St Felix
 
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Thanks Donna, I know what a PDF is. It looks good on every computer.
But "Kindle PRINT " says they will take HTML.. and my book was written in HTML thro Dreamweaver, all my style is in the CSS (cascading style sheet). So I guess Kindle is "falsely" advising that they wil, take HTML files?
BJ Eyland

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Re: KDP Print wont take html format?
Posted: Jul 8, 2017 10:15 PM   in response to: Notjohn in response to: Notjohn
 
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Thanks notJohn, , I know what a PDF is. It looks good on every computer.
I have not used createspace (which is disappearing soon). It is not a matter of just using what I aleardy have.
But "Kindle PRINT " says they will take HTML.. and my book was written in HTML thro Dreamweaver, all my style is in the CSS (cascading style sheet). So I guess Kindle is "falsely" advising that they will take HTML files?
Notjohn

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Re: KDP Print wont take html format?
Posted: Jul 9, 2017 2:38 AM   in response to: BJ Eyland in response to: BJ Eyland
 
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"Kindle PRINT " says they will take HTML

Well, it's an awful, hastily-thrown=together platform, so I wouldn't be surprised if it actually does say that. But I can't imagine why it would. Throwing a Word doc, text file, html file at the wall and hoping it will fall off looking like something from Borzoi Books is just stupid. How is an html file going to be paginated?

It is certainly true that the quality of books produced by KDP Print and to a lesser extent by CreateSpace is pretty bad, so that standards are dropping. (Ragged right, page one starting on the half title (or more likely, no half title at all), double spacing, block paragraphs, Courier type (oh gosh, it's rather light, isn't it, well, no problem, WE'LL MAKE THE WHOLE BOOK BOLDFACE!).) So there may come a time when Amazon has returned book publishing to where Gutenberg left off in 1468. But we're not there yet!

And I have seen no evidence that CreateSpace is going anywhere. It still works wonderfully well.

Good luck! -- NJ

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BJ Eyland

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Re: KDP Print wont take html format?
Posted: Jul 20, 2017 9:04 PM   in response to: BJ Eyland in response to: BJ Eyland
 
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My issue is now resolved.

KDP Print (after two weeks) finally responded to my problem. But I had solved it myself before they replied.

BACKGROUND
The Nut of the problem was that that my html files were attached to a CSS (cascading style sheet) file - to give my eBook it's formatting. Such CSS gives titles, paragraphs, headings, chapter formats, call out boxes, font style, font sizes, colours etc It is NORMAL to have a CSS for an eBook (in my opinion).

The documentation said : KDP Print would take HTML files. AND hey, I had written my manuscrtipt in Dreamweaver, using html & CSS. and had SUCESSFULLY created the files & file structure required to create the MOBI using KindleGen in 2015. (and ePub) You know - with the OEBPS file structure, with my images in one folder, and the text and TOC in another folder etc.

So I wanted to load the html & the CSS to the KDP Print. To get a Print on Demand Paperback. Not possible.

WARNING
I want to warn others - that Kindle Print will take HTML......... But NOT ........ with ........... ANY ......... CSS file attached. (!)

EXPLANATION from the tech guys

<quote> The Zip file should contain HTML and the images alone. <quote>

<quote> We do accept zipped files in HTML format and KDP will automatically convert the file to a PDF. However, the files within the zip file have to be a format that we accept.( PDF, DOC, DOCX, RTF, HTML, TXT, EPUB, AZW, or ZIP format).

If the files are not in one of those formats there will be issues uploading the file. A CSS is a webformat file that describes the design format of a webpage. This file type is not listed and is not one that we accept so that is why you experienced the issues. <end quote>

WORKAROUND
I managed on my own (with out any assistance from the tech agent or the tech help desk) to create the PDF from the html/ CSS files.

  1. Firstly, created a Zipped ePUB. (in the normal way thro ePub Zip-unzip version 2.1.1) but I could have taken the MOBI file.
  2. Secondly, used Calibre to create a PDF version of it, to add the page numbers. And retain my original format that was in the CSS.
  3. Thirdly, deleted any blank pages that may have snuck in. Use a PDF amending utility for this.
  4. Lastly, loaded this PDF into Kindle Print.

Note: I had created my manuscript in Dreamweaver. Not in "inDesign' and not in a word processor like 'Word' or 'Pages' (MAC). I was not prepared to dump raw text into inDesgin or into WORD to re-create crappy formatting & layout. Too much work.

CONCLUSION - don't try to load a CSS file attatched to a HTML file. If you want any nice style don't do it this way.

Wow, I am a senior retired female and not very technical. This has been a frustrating & difficult time for me. But my book is now available as an eBook and a paperback on Amazon/Kindle. I am persistant and methodical.
BJ Eyland

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Re: KDP Print wont take html format?
Posted: Jul 20, 2017 9:07 PM   in response to: BJ Eyland in response to: BJ Eyland
 
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no one had the answer. I figured it out myself
Notjohn

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Re: KDP Print wont take html format?
Posted: Jul 21, 2017 2:51 AM   in response to: BJ Eyland in response to: BJ Eyland
 
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I'd like to see how that book turns out. Will you post the ISBN?

Thanks! - NJ

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William Thompson

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Re: KDP Print wont take html format?
Posted: Jul 21, 2017 5:09 PM   in response to: BJ Eyland in response to: BJ Eyland
 
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Well thank you for your vivid description of how you eventually created your Kindle Print book.

BJ Eyland said:
CONCLUSION - don't try to load a CSS file attatched to a HTML file. If you want any nice style don't do it this way.

Most on this forum already know better than to create a separate CSS + HTML file + Image folder for zip upload. Quite why you did it this way really defeats me since most indie authors already know what it means to upload a ZIP file to KDP or Kindle Print. The grand mistake you made was to separate the css file from the html file. Why on Earth did you do that? What you should have done was to copy the data from you css file and put it between the <style> </style> tags at the top of the html file. And there's absolutely no difference in quality or styling outcome between doing it this way and your rather long and convoluted way which didn't work anyway.

If it were me and I had to convert an html file or whatever to pdf(which is the proper format for any imprint book upload) here's how I would have done it at no cost:

*Create my imprint book in LibreOffice(free app download from the internet) either manually or by importing an existing doc or html file(which contains its own css).

*When the book formatting is finished I would then export and save my ODT doc directly to pdf at the highest quality pdf setting -- PDF/A-1a (ISO 19005-1).

*Upload to Createspace(not KDP Print).

Please also note that all I used was LibreOffice which is a free OpenSource app. That's all you need to convert your doc to a quality pdf for upload. You used Dreamweaver and another Adobe app to format your imprint book. How much did those apps cost you?

BJ Eylnd said:as >Note: I had created my manuscript in Dreamweaver. Not in "inDesign' and not in a word processor like 'Word' or 'Pages' >(MAC). I was not prepared to dump raw text into inDesgin or into WORD to re-create crappy formatting & layout. Too >much work.

Wow...crappy formatting?...Really? What a stupid and baseless thing to say. Did you know that Adobe InDesign is the industrial benchmark app for creating high quality imprint books? All the Big 5 publishers use it as well as well as many respected professional formatters. Did you know that? And did you know that thousands(millions?) of people upload a Word doc to KDP or Kindle Print without any problems at all? Your contempt for both Word and InDesign is astonishingly misguided I think or perhaps, in the above comment, it's just your utter frustration screaming instead of fair reason...

Finally, you should always upload in pdf format for an imprint book. I also do it this way for Createspace, Lightning Source or Ingram Sparks uploads and, unlike you, I've never had any problems... :-)

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Donald Roble

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Re: KDP Print wont take html format?
Posted: Jul 23, 2017 8:05 AM   in response to: BJ Eyland in response to: BJ Eyland
 
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You used a work around? Why would anyone do that? I go from .doc to pdf to printed. Why would you tell anyone about the backwards way you did it. Why tell us? None of us would ever do that.
Bob Boiko

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Re: KDP Print wont take html format?
Posted: Oct 23, 2017 10:22 AM   in response to: Donald Roble in response to: Donald Roble
 
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Total outsider here, but wanting to create a print book using the same files that I used for an eBook on KDP. I rarely respond to threads like this but have to say that the people who responded were disrespectful and frankly arrogant. WE would never do it that way? Come on folks. There are lots of non We's who have valid reasons for trying to avoid PDF. Not sure what axes are grinding here, assuming people with different ideas than yours are asses, just make you look like one yourself
Donna St Felix

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Re: KDP Print wont take html format?
Posted: Oct 23, 2017 10:36 AM   in response to: Bob Boiko in response to: Bob Boiko
 
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Bob Boiko wrote:
Total outsider here, but wanting to create a print book using the same files that I used for an eBook on KDP. I rarely respond to threads like this but have to say that the people who responded were disrespectful and frankly arrogant. WE would never do it that way? Come on folks. There are lots of non We's who have valid reasons for trying to avoid PDF. Not sure what axes are grinding here, assuming people with different ideas than yours are asses, just make you look like one yourself

What you are missing is all of the conversations (threads) on publishing a paperback thru the Kindle site. The paperback program there is a BETA program and people have a ton of problems trying to upload a paperback there.

For those that do not want to learn how to format for a paperback or do not want to click 'save as' for PDF to upload to the Zon's CreateSpace site, will learn the hard way. They will come to one of the forums to complain and ask 'what am I doing wrong'. So if you want to do it your way, go for it. Good luck.
Salamander Mall...

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Re: KDP Print wont take html format?
Posted: Oct 23, 2017 10:44 AM   in response to: Bob Boiko in response to: Bob Boiko
 
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Bob Boiko wrote:
Total outsider here, but wanting to create a print book using the same files that I used for an eBook on KDP. I rarely respond to threads like this but have to say that the people who responded were disrespectful and frankly arrogant. WE would never do it that way? Come on folks. There are lots of non We's who have valid reasons for trying to avoid PDF. Not sure what axes are grinding here, assuming people with different ideas than yours are asses, just make you look like one yourself

Yes, you can indeed use the same file to publish a print book on KDP-Print as you did for your e-book. Of course, it will be a mess, but you can do it. Print books and e-books require totally different formatting. If you format your print book using Word/Styles and upload to CreateSpace, you can get a decent PDF through their conversion process. Whether you create your own PDF (best choice) or let either KDP-Print or CreateSpace do it for you, you will still end up with a PDF as the basis for your print book. No PDF, no book. It's how both systems work.

You have mistaken straightforward answers for disrepect. It is a common mistake.
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