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uncle1282

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Have you ever double-dipped with the same book?
Posted: Oct 23, 2017 11:06 AM
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While revising my current WIP to make it more romance-worthy, an idea came to me about using this book as both a romance and a mystery. I'd change the main character names and use more seduction and suspense then upload it with a different title as a mystery. I doubt a reader would ever buy both books in two entirely different genres, but even if they did, they might enjoy each. This might seem cheap or even a tad fraudulent. The idea only came to me because I'm much more practiced writing mysteries than I am romances, though i take the latter as a great challenge.

What do you think?
Donna St Felix

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Re: Have you ever double-dipped with the same book?
Posted: Oct 23, 2017 11:10 AM   in response to: uncle1282 in response to: uncle1282
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uncle1282 wrote:
While revising my current WIP to make it more romance-worthy, an idea came to me about using this book as both a romance and a mystery. I'd change the main character names and use more seduction and suspense then upload it with a different title as a mystery. I doubt a reader would ever buy both books in two entirely different genres, but even if they did, they might enjoy each. This might seem cheap or even a tad fraudulent. The idea only came to me because I'm much more practiced writing mysteries than I am romances, though i take the latter as a great challenge.

What do you think?


I would make some plot and adventure additions or changes to it also.
Emily Veinglory

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Re: Have you ever double-dipped with the same book?
Posted: Oct 23, 2017 12:22 PM   in response to: uncle1282 in response to: uncle1282
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Amazon will detect there is a lot of duplicate text which might cause some issues. It is also very possible the same person would buy both. If people like a book they buy more from that author, and an RWA survey showed that most romance readers also ready widely in other genres.
Angela

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Posted: Oct 23, 2017 2:19 PM   in response to: uncle1282 in response to: uncle1282
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You could just write another book in that genre, and not cheat your readers that way. If an author I enjoy did that, I'd give them the axe for laziness.
Laura

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Posted: Oct 23, 2017 3:00 PM   in response to: uncle1282 in response to: uncle1282
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I have seen something similar done by Veronica Daye. She has two versions out of the same book. In one, the hero is the stepbrother and in the other, not. The story is identical but without the stepbrother angle. She makes this clear at the end of the blurb for Bad Boy with: "Bad Boy is the retelling of my novel Stepbrother Bad Boy WITHOUT the stepbrother twist."

I have also seen a similar thing done by a romance author whose name escapes me right now. She has two versions of the same books, one with sex scenes and one without, as she received feedback from readers who wanted to read her books but were put off by the detailed sex scenes. She makes it clear that these books are identical, apart from the heat level.
C. Gold

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Re: Have you ever double-dipped with the same book?
Posted: Oct 23, 2017 3:53 PM   in response to: Laura in response to: Laura
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I've read an author who published CLEAN versions of her romances. I liked the idea personally, though I have no idea what Zon thinks about it.
uncle1282

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Posted: Oct 23, 2017 5:17 PM   in response to: C. Gold in response to: C. Gold
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I'm considering different genres (romance and mystery), different covers, different names for main characters with a few twists, several seduction and sex scenes like my mystery series has, and perhaps heightened danger for the mystery. I'd have no trouble changing much of the text but retaining main plot points. Alternatively, I could publish the romance under a female pseudonym I've used once for an erotica short. That might make it all work better.

I'm somewhat surprised about two different versions, one clean one with graphic sex scenes. Does romance include sex scenes per se? I can't get a straight answer to that question.
C. Gold

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Posted: Oct 23, 2017 6:47 PM   in response to: uncle1282 in response to: uncle1282
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A lot of romance runs steamy. Some people want clean, some want moderate, others want full bore sizzle. The author that did two versions of the same book kept the cover and title and contents but just added CLEAN to the title and faded the sex scenes to black in that version.

I think obfuscating what you are doing could lead to some angry readers if they stumble upon both and feel ripped off. But if you mark in the blurb that one is a X version of this one, you might get some interested crossover. Being upfront and clear with readers is a good idea if you do this.

You may run into issues with two pen names, two similar works. It might confuse the Zon into thinking one is a plagiarized copy of the other. I don't know if it's smart enough to realize both pen names are the same author.
Rod Little

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Posted: Oct 23, 2017 8:24 PM   in response to: uncle1282 in response to: uncle1282
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I get annoyed by romance novels "set on a planet or a ship" that try to bill themselves also as sci-fi. It is NOT sci-fi, you just happen to be kissing on a ship. Double-dipping, as you put it, is ridiculous.
  • "A writer should always write for an audience of one." (as the famous saying goes). *
Just write the book that pleases YOU. Do not pander to some audience you don't understand. That's not going to result in a good book - and fans of that genre won't be fooled! You won't get any SF fans to buy your romance, and so forth.
If you're a big fan of mystery, then go ahead and write a good mystery. Throw some romance elements in - if they fit and are appropriate. Trying to turn a romance into a mystery just reminds me of all the failed RomCom movies that tried to do just that.

My 2 cents. But what do I know? You could put my knowledge in a thimble and it might leak out. :)
Diana Persaud

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Re: Have you ever double-dipped with the same book?
Posted: Oct 24, 2017 5:46 AM   in response to: uncle1282 in response to: uncle1282
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uncle1282 wrote:
I'm considering different genres (romance and mystery), different covers, different names for main characters with a few twists, several seduction and sex scenes like my mystery series has, and perhaps heightened danger for the mystery. I'd have no trouble changing much of the text but retaining main plot points. Alternatively, I could publish the romance under a female pseudonym I've used once for an erotica short. That might make it all work better.

I'm somewhat surprised about two different versions, one clean one with graphic sex scenes. Does romance include sex scenes per se? I can't get a straight answer to that question.

How are you writing Romance if you've never read one?

I suggest you start reading Romance in the subgenre you're trying to write.

Moshe Ben-Or

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Re: Have you ever double-dipped with the same book?
Posted: Oct 24, 2017 5:51 AM   in response to: uncle1282 in response to: uncle1282
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This seems an atrociously bad idea. Most readers cross-read. A lot. It's not about genre, it's about author. Doing this once will earn you the reputation of a cheap hack, and lose fans you have built up, probably over years.

If you want to write a version of the book that is different, write a different book with a similar plot. Alternatively, take a minor character or a passage from the published book, and expand them into a book of their own.
writerbn

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Re: Have you ever double-dipped with the same book?
Posted: Oct 24, 2017 6:30 AM   in response to: Diana Persaud in response to: Diana Persaud
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Diana Persaud wrote:

How are you writing Romance if you've never read one?

I suggest you start reading Romance in the subgenre you're trying to write.


^ What she said, x 1,000.

To Uncle: I agree with Moshe: what you're attempting to do is a terrible idea. You'll just end up alienating readers on both sides of the fence. Pick a side and get off the fence.
uncle1282

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Re: Have you ever double-dipped with the same book?
Posted: Oct 24, 2017 9:14 AM   in response to: writerbn in response to: writerbn
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Who said I never read a romance? I'm very widely read, both from the classics on. I happen to prefer hardboiled mysteries in the vein of Chandler and Spillane, but also enjoy many other genres. I focused for years on the short story running the gamut of genre.

It discomboobles me how so many write negative to a person they only barely see online.
writerbn

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Re: Have you ever double-dipped with the same book?
Posted: Oct 24, 2017 9:31 AM   in response to: uncle1282 in response to: uncle1282
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uncle1282 wrote:
Who said I never read a romance? I'm very widely read, both from the classics on. I happen to prefer hardboiled mysteries in the vein of Chandler and Spillane, but also enjoy many other genres. I focused for years on the short story running the gamut of genre.

It discomboobles me how so many write negative to a person they only barely see online.


It wasn't a negative statement, and I don't think Diana's was, either. Based on your previous posts, it sounds like you have very little experience with the contemporary romance genre. Are you familiar with the tropes that distinguish (for example) a billionaire romance from a shifter one? You also mentioned that you didn't know if romances could contain sex scenes or not, which would indicate that you haven't read very many.

If you truly want to write a contemporary romance, and not a mystery/detective story with romantic elements, there's a lot of work to do. Some of it involves studying the market, but most of it can be learned simply from reading, or at least skimming, the bestsellers in a particular subgenre.

Romance readers are extremely picky about their expectations, and they'll crucify an author who pays lip service to the genre. That's what several folks here have been trying to explain.
Emily Veinglory

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Re: Have you ever double-dipped with the same book?
Posted: Oct 24, 2017 11:29 AM   in response to: uncle1282 in response to: uncle1282
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You seem to be assuming your readers don't cross genre lines, maybe that led people to infer that you don't?
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