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Stacey Scrobe

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"Best Seller" Question
Posted: Aug 24, 2013 3:46 AM
 
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I see many books claiming to be Best Sellers, and as of right now, my book is #5 in my genre, but only #1,604 overall Free. (You can check my ranking here http://amzn.com/B00ENJPV2G).

My question is, when is a book considered a best seller? Is it when you reach #1 in your genre, or some other number overall? I'm asking because I've only just released my book a few days ago and my genre is small, so it may not take long to reach #1 in my genre; however, I don't want to be misleading if I add to my book description that it's a best seller in my genre if that really doesn't mean squat. Also, my book is free right now, so that may add to its ranking on the Amazon Best Seller List, and I don't want to claim Best Seller if it's not technically a true statement.

Thanks in advance for your answers & feedback!
Logan Byrne

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Re: "Best Seller" Question
Posted: Aug 24, 2013 7:03 AM   in response to: Stacey Scrobe in response to: Stacey Scrobe
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Your book isn't a best seller if it's on the free charts. Anybody can buy a few promotions for cheap and become a best seller with their free books. The general rule, if you want to say just best selling author, is that you hit the top 100 in the overall PAID store. Now, if you had a paid book and hit, say, the top 100 of paranormal romance, you could call yourself a best selling paranormal romance author, because that's true.
Stacey Scrobe

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Posted: Aug 24, 2013 8:56 AM   in response to: Logan Byrne in response to: Logan Byrne
 
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Thank you! I figured it was based on paid sales, but wasn't sure of that, or the general target ranking you should have as a general rule to claim to be a best seller. In my genre before my free promotion, I was at #15 for paid sales, but as I said, my genre is small, so I'm feeling like it would be a bit misleading to call myself a best seller unless it's truly considered to be so. If I ever reach #1 in my small genre, perhaps then it would be proper to say so. :)
noctucauldar9

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Posted: Aug 29, 2013 7:28 AM   in response to: Stacey Scrobe in response to: Stacey Scrobe
 
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There is no such Thing as a best seller, the term is nothing but "Hype".
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Re: "Best Seller" Question
Posted: Aug 29, 2013 9:20 AM   in response to: Stacey Scrobe in response to: Stacey Scrobe
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...my genre is small, so I'm feeling like it would be a bit misleading to call myself a best seller unless it's truly considered to be so. If I ever reach #1 in my small genre, perhaps then it would be proper to say so.

As Logan says, it would only be 'proper' if you qualify the claim. Let's say that your genre is : Religion & Spirituality > Christianity > Christian Fiction > Romance

If you make it into the top 100 of that genre, you could then properly say: "Amazon Best Selling Christian Romance Author", but I wouldn't say Amazon Best Selling Author until you make it into the top 100 PAID sales rank positions on all of Amazon. FREE never counts for anything since there is no payment involved. It can't be Best-SELLING if there's no sale.

When you do reach the plateau where you feel a best-selling claim is in order, I would take a screen image to prove your claim. It's not illegal to state that you are a best selling author, but if you can't support you claim, you may be ridiculed by other authors if it's not true or you can't easily prove it.
Stacey Scrobe

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Re: "Best Seller" Question
Posted: Sep 1, 2013 8:24 AM   in response to: scribblr in response to: scribblr
 
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Thank you!

In paid sales, the highest I reached was:

#15 in Books > Parenting & Relationships > Family Relationships > Child Abuse
#16 in Kindle Store > Kindle eBooks > Nonfiction > Parenting & Relationships > Family Relationships > Dysfunctional Relationships

Those stats are from Friday, 8/30 and I took a screenshot of the stats, as per the suggestions in this thread. As of this hour of this day, my rankings are #46 and #56 in each category, respectively, and I have had steady daily sales since my book was released two weeks ago and hover around my current rank on average. Still, I have no reviews. sigh

I appreciate all the answers to my question! I understand now that "Best selling" applies to paid sales ranking and that claiming the term should be backed up with verifiable proof. Thanks, all! :)
Gregory P Stran...

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Re: "Best Seller" Question
Posted: Sep 1, 2013 8:33 AM   in response to: Stacey Scrobe in response to: Stacey Scrobe
 
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The marketing you do now, before your book comes off the promo, will be critical in keeping it on those lists. Once people have to pay for it you'll see your book slip off those charts rather quickly. You need to start marketing so you can get enough sales to keep it there. If that momentum continues you'll get sales, if not, you stand a good chance of fading away into obscurity, especially if you've got just one book.
Linda Sue Moffitt

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Posted: Oct 28, 2017 8:59 PM   in response to: Stacey Scrobe in response to: Stacey Scrobe
 
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You could call it "Was #15 in The Top 100 paid Blank-Blank Genre (For however long if it was a week or 2 at least, if it was only say 3 days I'd leave that out) " that still sounds awesome to me as a consumer :)
Linda Sue Moffitt

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Posted: Oct 28, 2017 9:01 PM   in response to: Stacey Scrobe in response to: Stacey Scrobe
 
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I believe if you get #1 in your category, That you do get the bestseller flag on your book (Make sure to screenshot it plenty because I also believe you'll lose it as soon as it drops to #2) But Yes then You Definitely are a bestseller :)
Salamander Mall...

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Re: "Best Seller" Question
Posted: Oct 28, 2017 9:43 PM   in response to: Linda Sue Moffitt in response to: Linda Sue Moffitt
 
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Linda Sue Moffitt wrote:
You could call it "Was #15 in The Top 100 paid Blank-Blank Genre (For however long if it was a week or 2 at least, if it was only say 3 days I'd leave that out) " that still sounds awesome to me as a consumer :)

Amazon sales rankings are meaningless compared to real bestseller lists. Such a claim (which can never be verified) does not sound awesome. It sounds desperate. Claiming bestseller status in blurb or on a cover when it's not true is also a way to get flagged.

Note: I know Halloween 🎃 is near, but that's no excuse for playing in the forum graveyard.
Salamander Mall...

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Re: "Best Seller" Question
Posted: Oct 28, 2017 9:47 PM   in response to: Linda Sue Moffitt in response to: Linda Sue Moffitt
 
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Linda Sue Moffitt wrote:
I believe if you get #1 in your category, That you do get the bestseller flag on your book (Make sure to screenshot it plenty because I also believe you'll lose it as soon as it drops to #2) But Yes then You Definitely are a bestseller :)

Not unless it's a valid bestseller, and that doesn't mean in some minor categ*ory. The suggestion of a screenshot is a good one, however, because you have something you can show Mom. Otherwise, meaningless.

eelkat

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Re: "Best Seller" Question
Posted: Oct 29, 2017 10:37 PM   in response to: Stacey Scrobe in response to: Stacey Scrobe
 
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I've got a book that's a "bestseller"

It's #1 in the top 100 of one of those obscure categories that you can't select but Amazon decides to put you in at random.

It was published in 2015.

In 2 years it has sold exactly 14 copies. It has a sales rank of below 2million.

Yet, there is it, sitting there marked "bestseller".

Why?

Because those 14 copies sold in 24 months, is MORE than each of the other 100 books in that top 100 list has sold.

Interestingly... the category is "Transgender Romance"... the book is a psychological horror about an Elf attempting to commit suicide. WHY did Amazon put in in either "Transgender" or "Romance" I don't know.

I used to think "bestseller" meant something... but then that book got ranked "bestseller" and, it gave me a new perspective on what it takes to become a bestseller on Amazon.

To become a NYTimes bestseller, you have to sell 1million copies of a book in 6 weeks or less. To become an Amazon bestseller, you only have to sell one more copy of your book, then however many were sold by the guy in place #2.

So if someone sells 3 copies and ranks #1 in the top 100, because the rest of the 99 only sold 2 copies each... you only have to sell 4 copies to knock him out of #1 slot.

Once you realize that, you realize how underwhelming the "besteller tag" is when awarded from Amazon.



ETA: WOW! I didn't read the OP date until after I answered. Didn't realize this was a resurrected zombie thread. Oh well.

Edited by: eelkat on Oct 29, 2017 10:39 PM
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