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Mrs Julia Evans

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Re: How much do i earn from Amazon Kindle per month avrage ??
Posted: Nov 5, 2017 4:17 AM   in response to: gajanan khirao in response to: gajanan khirao
 
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Crikey! I walked away after my second post yesterday feeling 'done' with this thread, and only came back out of curiosity this morning to see whether anyone agreed with my assessment of the OP's book.

Now I feel like I should be taking a trip to the post-box to send thank-you letters to those of you who gallantly defended my post.

There really was no need, as I'm a big girl, and more than capable of defending my opinions - I wouldn't give them if I was going to run and cower in a corner any time I was challenged. However, it was nice to realise that you are all of the same (similar) opinion of the OP's book.

In lieu of the trip to the post-box, as I don't have your addresses....

@Elodie - dank je (If that's wrong, blame Google! LOL ;) )

@Cynthia E Hurst - The OP should be so lucky as to have your review!

@C. Gold - The voice of reason, as always.

@Salamander Mallory - I don't know why, but your posts always put me in mind of the dearly missed WR, and have fast replaced his as my 'go to' reads. Thank you for that, as, imho, his departure left a huge void in the community

@Tinkerbell. Your eloquence is always a delight and puts a smile on my face each time you post. You really should get off that fence though! You'll get splinters!

@C. Gold - Again - I agree that we should all try to be adults on the forums. But in Tink's defence, the OP started it! ;)

@Leaowens - Thank you for your comments. I always try to be moderate, truthful and tactful, but if pushed to choose one by an argumentative OP, will always stick with truthful. :) (Please don't take that red pen to my posts! LOL)

There, I think that's everyone.

gajanan,

You're just the latest in a long line of newbies to come along and suffer a baptism of fire, and you will by no means be the last. There's a conveyor belt somewhere, and you all jump on it, convinced that yours is the book that will set the community on fire! Theirs didn't, yours hasn't and others won't.

As you've now seen, mine wasn't a lone voice in the wilderness. Quelle surprise!

But that doesn't mean your time in the community is done.

Like others before you who have learned from their experiences, you should know that we're here to help, as and when you need it, and will offer practical advice and technical knowhow.

What we don't do is automatically respond the way an OP wants us to, when he demands us to 'Buy and Read my... book' and then 'Reply review on book'. (And changing your tag line and the first post doesn't change the rest of the posts either. Your first post demanded a review, which was why I responded. Changing your original question to try and make my reply sound unreasonable didn't work, did it?)

What you should have done was be honest about what you wanted, and asked for only good reviews. But then, you'd still be looking at a blank page, and wouldn't have learned anything.

What you got from the replies was an honest assessment of your work, which is more valuable than the glowing five stars you were aiming for. It tells you what you need to do to improve.

The advice you've been given is good. Take it or waste it. It's entirely your choice.

Either way, I wish you good luck. I look forward to seeing you back here when the bruises have faded.

Best wishes. J
Elodie

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Re: How much do i earn from Amazon Kindle per month avrage ??
Posted: Nov 5, 2017 1:16 PM   in response to: Mrs Julia Evans in response to: Mrs Julia Evans
 
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For once, Google actually had that right.
Makes a nice change ;)
Jonathan B

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Re: Buy and read my New edition of book " AMERICA 8000 BCE "
Posted: Nov 6, 2017 7:29 AM   in response to: Mrs Julia Evans in response to: Mrs Julia Evans
 
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Mrs Julia Evans wrote:
Gajanan,

I speak as I find, and contrary to your view, I am far from unhappy with my life. And if you'd seen 'all' of my comments, as you say, you wouldn't be in any doubt of that.

Frustrated? Yes, I am frustrated, but mostly with the poor quality of books being published on Amazon at the moment.

Demoralising? Do I burst the occasional bubble of a brash, over-confident newbie, who thinks the Zon has just been holding its collective breath, awaiting his arrival? Yes, I admit, I have been known to do that.

But do I criticize quality work, lie about a book's prospects, or comment negatively out of spite, cruelty, jealousy or simple meanness? No! Not once!

For every one of those 'negative' posts you refer to, there are probably 25 where I could have done the same, but I walked away, and 50 more where I offered help and assistance.

You asked for a review, and I gave you one. Listen to what I've said or don't, it makes not the slightest difference to me, one way or the other. What I said was, imho, truthful and accurate.

But before you start throwing your toys out of the pram, wait and see what others here have to say, because whether they soften it by adding flowery words of encouragement, or give you the stark harsh truth, when you drill it down, I doubt very much if anyone will say anything different.

As to whether I'm a real author, why would I be in this community if I wasn't? I have 17 completed novels (not pamphlets) most of which are currently available on Amazon, some elsewhere.

As to sending you my book details, why the heck would I do that?

Posting book details on the forums is an act of sheer madness or desperation. (Only a lucky few come away unscathed.)

When last I checked, I was neither.

If you are serious about releasing a book of quality, start by hiring a good editor/translator.

Until then, I really don't have anything else to add.

After all, these were just my thoughts, which you invited me to share. J


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Jonathan B

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Re: Buy and read my New edition of book " AMERICA 8000 BCE "
Posted: Nov 6, 2017 7:37 AM   in response to: leaowens in response to: leaowens
 
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leaowens wrote:
I am always impressed by the moderation of Julia's replies when she offers a brief review of an author's work - correct, to the point and quite tactful, really, considering what she looks at. I've read a few of her response's to a book written by an author who is puzzled as to why he/she hasn't made a thousand sales a day, and then looked up the book, and been quite amazed that she took the time to respond so extensively to such a deplorable example of writing, and I feel outraged that so many people consider they are 'authors' because they uploaded a second rate bit of writing to the Zon (I am not meaning the OP's book - I didn't check it so have no idea of the quality, I'm just responding to his observation that Julia is tough in her reviews). As an English teacher, some of the books available on Kindle make me want to take out the red pen, cross out half the words and tell the writer that the work is about the standard of a 14 year old who is on a path to failing English. In fact, most of my 14 year old English students could write better than many of the authors clogging up the sales pages at present. I am sure that, just like the mulish, lazy, "I don't care if I fail" teenagers at school, these authors don't proofread...a big tip: record yourself reading your own book word for word with punctuation as written, then listen to it a fortnight later.

I have to agree with you. Frankly, when i check out a book based on a request in this forum and it is so obviously a pile of garbage that no amount of tweaking can salvage, I ignore it and go on. Julia actually takes the time to look further and then write an honest response.

Good on her and I tip my cap to her. I sure won't waste my time on with such posters as the OP. I'll give back to the community to help posters who not only I can possibly help but who are also actually willing to try some of the advice given to improve their craft.
Brad the wronger

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Re: Buy and read my New edition of book " AMERICA 8000 BCE "
Posted: Nov 6, 2017 8:23 AM   in response to: Jonathan B in response to: Jonathan B
 
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Apparently I'm the only one, but I'm reluctant to jump on the Julia bandwagon. When she categorizes others with a label of 'foreign sounding names', she's lost my moral support.

One way to eliminate the crap from Amazon (and maybe the only way) is a gatekeeping device, something else I am apparently the only one willing to investigate. KDP could run the thing through a Word review type of program. If it crosses an objective threshold of too many typos or grammar problems, it gets kicked back to the author to be reworked. That would keep out a lot of the gibberish, poorly formatted, lack of grammar skills books. Of course, the other way is for KDP to drop a book once it passes a time threshold, maybe no copies sold for a period of six months or a year. Customers have subjectively decided it has no value by not buying it. This is where people begin to argue their books can't be found because the slush pile is too big. That would go a long way in reducing the slush pile at Amazon. But I've been argued with in the past, even ridiculed for having these opinions, and that's fine. (Up on my high horse, holier than thou, silly, nonsensical, etc.) I think it's rather comical when writers complain there are too many junk books at Amazon but refuse to consider ways of eliminating the worst sellers. I wonder why that is?
Elodie

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Re: Buy and read my New edition of book " AMERICA 8000 BCE "
Posted: Nov 6, 2017 9:42 AM   in response to: Brad the wronger in response to: Brad the wronger
 
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Brad the wronger wrote:
Apparently I'm the only one, but I'm reluctant to jump on the Julia bandwagon. When she categorizes others with a label of 'foreign sounding names', she's lost my moral support.

To some it might sound politically incorrect, or morally wrong, to say or even think something like that, but it's very much the truth. I've actually done some tests, back in 2014 and 2015. When I published under my own name (which is very non-English) I had less than half a dozen sales. I unpublished and republished the exact same stories, but used a very English name. My sales tripled.
I did both tests without any sort of promotion, as I didn't want outside sources influence the outcome.
C. Gold

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Re: Buy and read my New edition of book " AMERICA 8000 BCE "
Posted: Nov 6, 2017 9:56 AM   in response to: Elodie in response to: Elodie
 
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Huh. That's a new one. I never turned away from a book because of the author's name before. In fact, I have several non-English sounding favorites. I'm even getting faster at typing Singh without turning it into sign.
Mrs Julia Evans

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Re: Buy and read my New edition of book " AMERICA 8000 BCE "
Posted: Nov 6, 2017 11:16 AM   in response to: Brad the wronger in response to: Brad the wronger
 
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Brad the wronger wrote:
Apparently I'm the only one, but I'm reluctant to jump on the Julia bandwagon. When she categorizes others with a label of 'foreign sounding names', she's lost my moral support.

Hi Brad,

I just wanted to say thank you for highlighting the comment I made a while ago, and for explaining why it met with your disapproval.

Possibly you didn't see the comment I made after that one, further explaining what I meant. Or maybe you did, and I still wasn't clear enough in my explanation. Either way, what it's done is highlight a failure on my part to communicate myself properly, which, seeing as I pride myself on being as clear as possible in the posts I make on the community, has come as a great disappointment to me today.

To clarify (I hope), I was expressing my frustration at the number of poorly written and poorly translated books being dumped on Amazon, which were suffocating the site, and preventing quality work from rising to the surface. My concern was that due to the high number of these poor quality books coming from one particular region, there would potentially be really good writers (and stars of the future), from that same region, whose work would never see the light of day, buried as they were beneath the rest of the rubbish. The sheer volume of crap (for want of a better word) now being published had led to me develop my own deselection method, as recent experiences have shown me that wading through hundreds of these books in search of that one beautiful literary gem, is a complete waste of my very limited free time. It's not a fool-proof method by any means, and it's not directed at any one region specifically, but it does help remove a lot of the rubbish from my path.

Brad, if you still feel I've misspoken by admitting to finding my own way of avoiding poor quality work, then obviously you have every right to your opinion of me. I completely respect that, and will abandon any hope of changing your mind. However, if you have a more 'politically correct' way of deselecting books to speed up a search, I'd very much be interested in hearing it. I strongly believe you're never too old to learn something new.

Thankfully, after my last post on the subject, writerbn was kind enough to bring to my attention the names of some excellent authors from that same region, and I've added them to my ever-growing wish-list of books I'll get around to reading, the day after my writers' block kicks in. :)

To touch on your two other points very briefly... there's a 'Julia bandwagon'? I sincerely hope not! I try and shrug off most of my responsibilities at the office door, as I leave work for home each night. I genuinely don't want to feel any weight of expectation on my shoulders here. I post for my own amusement, and while it's nice, once in a while, to know I'm not that 'lone voice in the wilderness', that's all the feedback I need.

As to your suggestion that there be a gatekeeping device, in principal I'm not one who disagrees with you. Sadly, I can't think of any way the Zon would achieve it, without taking on thousands more staff to actually read through every book that they publish. Even an automated grammar checker would fail to do the business, as many books, my own included, invariably use slang or local dialect in conversations, that would never get past the bots.

Oh, but wouldn't it be lovely.......

My very best wishes to you. J

Moshe Ben-Or

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Re: Buy and read my New edition of book " AMERICA 8000 BCE "
Posted: Nov 6, 2017 12:40 PM   in response to: Brad the wronger in response to: Brad the wronger
 
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KDP could run the thing through a Word review type of program. If it crosses an objective threshold of too many typos or grammar problems, it gets kicked back to the author to be reworked. That would keep out a lot of the gibberish, poorly formatted, lack of grammar skills books.

Of course, said AI would also proceed to disqualify 90% of experimental literature, blank verse, comics, etc. Imagine a feminist tract that uses "womyn" instead of "women." Your AI kicks it back. Imagine a science fiction work that uses new pronouns, because it is set in a society with five genders. Or a political tract by some of the current progressives, who would like to live in a society with twenty genders and so close their eyes and pretend that they do. Or a biblical study with extensive transliteration of Hebrew and Greek into English...

You set up such a thing with modern AI, and you will end up with no end of trouble, if not a lawsuit. Even if it works moderately well, what you create is an artificial piece of garbage shoehorning writers into prescribed forms based on arbitrary criteria.

The only gatekeeper we need here is the reader. The fact that the Zon is connected to a former British colony of 1.2 billion people where 20 million natively speak a separate local dialect of English and another 200 million use same dialect on a regular basis, is neither here nor there. There are more people in that place, therefore there are more cases of Dunning-Kruger would-be writers. Simple statistics.

Our books will stand or fall on their own. Unleash the mighty Invisible Hand, and let the weak perish at the hands of the strong. That is the only moral way.
C. Gold

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Re: Buy and read my New edition of book " AMERICA 8000 BCE "
Posted: Nov 6, 2017 2:38 PM   in response to: Moshe Ben-Or in response to: Moshe Ben-Or
 
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I also shudder to think of how much my grammar program flat out misses or confuses. If we go to people gating the work, then we are pretty much going back to trad pub means to keep people out, which can act to block out the unique stuff we see now in indie publishing.

I've never come across utter rubbish in my scanning for new books to read. The books that have poor grammar and bad covers don't get purchased and don't float into even the above 1 million level typically. So I'm not worried about them. I worry more about people gaming the system with bot clicks and mis-categorization. Those do affect what I see.
Moshe Ben-Or

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Re: Buy and read my New edition of book " AMERICA 8000 BCE "
Posted: Nov 6, 2017 3:17 PM   in response to: C. Gold in response to: C. Gold
 
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I tend to view calls for gatekeeping primarily as admissions of personal insecurity and/or inadequacy.

There are cheaters who rise to the top for a time using bots and whatnot, but, in the end, I do not worry about them. As a writer, I care about building a following. Ultimately, this means patiently fishing out one reader at a time with carefully targeted ads.

Nobody scans past page one when browsing for books. Therefore, no one will find by browsing any book that is not in the top 25 of its category. So who cares if some scammer gets there for 10 minutes? How many of us are in the top 25? How many will ever get there? how many will ever get there without already possessing a large following built up over years of patient work?

When I look for books, I search by author name. The ads and the author followers are what matters.
C. Gold

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Re: Buy and read my New edition of book " AMERICA 8000 BCE "
Posted: Nov 6, 2017 3:37 PM   in response to: Moshe Ben-Or in response to: Moshe Ben-Or
 
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I find many of my future books in the recommendations list. That and flat out searches for things like Beauty and the Beast retellings. I see too many old trad pub titles like Harry Potter on the top 25 that I've already read. What I'd like is to have a feature that nixes out all the books I've already read and only give me choices of ones I haven't before. Just recently got an email from them saying this book is recommended based on your browsing/purchases. Um, yah, thanks, that's book 1 of a series I've already read!
Salamander Mall...

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Re: Buy and read my New edition of book " AMERICA 8000 BCE "
Posted: Nov 6, 2017 10:05 PM   in response to: C. Gold in response to: C. Gold
 
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C. Gold wrote:
I also shudder to think of how much my grammar program flat out misses or confuses. If we go to people gating the work, then we are pretty much going back to trad pub means to keep people out, which can act to block out the unique stuff we see now in indie publishing.

I've never come across utter rubbish in my scanning for new books to read. The books that have poor grammar and bad covers don't get purchased and don't float into even the above 1 million level typically. So I'm not worried about them. I worry more about people gaming the system with bot clicks and mis-categorization. Those do affect what I see.


Once a "gatekeeper" is installed, we're no longer the publishers, Amazon is. Amazon already has a customer-driven quality control system under which warnings are posted and publishers are given specific time periods to either make corrections or be taken down. So, why do you come across so many poor quality books? Hard to have customer complaints when you don't have customers. Nobody cares about the "stuff" at the bottom of the tank.
gajanan khirao

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Re: Buy and read my New edition of book " AMERICA 8000 BCE "
Posted: Nov 6, 2017 10:54 PM   in response to: Mrs Julia Evans in response to: Mrs Julia Evans
 
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Mrs Julia ,
I have taken your all point into consideration and make changes to my book .

Thanks,
Gajanan Khirao.
vamg

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Re: How much do i earn from Amazon Kindle per month avrage ??
Posted: Nov 7, 2017 12:50 AM   in response to: gajanan khirao in response to: gajanan khirao
 
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