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Jose Madruaga

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Fairness Selling Inside and Outside of Amazon:
Posted: Nov 6, 2017 5:03 PM
 
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For a $5.99 ebook I receive a $4.00 royalty on another platform. On Amazon for a 5.99 ebook I receive a $2.10 royalty. Amazon DOES NOT do any authors a favor, EVER! You do the work, and Amazon rips you off! I’m at a lost as to why writers go out of their way schmoozing Amazon when we as authors are getting shafted by Amazon. DON’T get me started on how out of touch Jeff Bezos is, with his company and life... Any feedback?

Edited by: Jose Madruaga on Nov 6, 2017 5:04 PM
Emily Veinglory

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Posted: Nov 6, 2017 5:06 PM   in response to: Jose Madruaga in response to: Jose Madruaga
 
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The main reason is simple: sales. But no one is having their arm twisted. Don't like the deal? Don't take it.
Diana Persaud

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Posted: Nov 6, 2017 5:18 PM   in response to: Jose Madruaga in response to: Jose Madruaga
 
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Jose Madruaga wrote:
For a $5.99 ebook I receive a $4.00 royalty on another platform. On Amazon for a 5.99 ebook I receive a $2.10 royalty. Amazon DOES NOT do any authors a favor, EVER! You do the work, and Amazon rips you off! I’m at a lost as to why writers go out of their way schmoozing Amazon when we as authors are getting shafted by Amazon. DON’T get me started on how out of touch Jeff Bezos is, with his company and life... Any feedback?

Edited by: Jose Madruaga on Nov 6, 2017 5:04 PM

Why don't you select the 70% royalty instead of 35%?

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Posted: Nov 6, 2017 6:25 PM   in response to: Jose Madruaga in response to: Jose Madruaga
 
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Jose Madruaga wrote:
For a $5.99 ebook I receive a $4.00 royalty on another platform. On Amazon for a 5.99 ebook I receive a $2.10 royalty. Amazon DOES NOT do any authors a favor, EVER! You do the work, and Amazon rips you off! I’m at a lost as to why writers go out of their way schmoozing Amazon when we as authors are getting shafted by Amazon. DON’T get me started on how out of touch Jeff Bezos is, with his company and life... Any feedback?

Edited by: Jose Madruaga on Nov 6, 2017 5:04 PM


Actually, for a $5.99 book I receive a $4.19 royalty. My books might be better than yours, but I'm thinking I'm just better at arithmetic. And it's not called "schmoozing," it's called "selling."
chris

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Posted: Nov 6, 2017 10:48 PM   in response to: Jose Madruaga in response to: Jose Madruaga
 
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I think the Zon does plenty of authors a favor: they can actually publish and sell books, and have instant access to the largest bookseller in the world. Try doing that the traditional way if you're not a well known entity.

I've got no complaints.
Notjohn

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Posted: Nov 7, 2017 2:30 AM   in response to: Jose Madruaga in response to: Jose Madruaga
 
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how out of touch Jeff Bezos is, with his company and life... Any feedback?

Sure! My feedback: Jeff's playpen, Jeff's rules.

I am a strong believer in not being Amazon-exclusive, and I regularly try to talk people out of it. But I still sell 80 percent of my books through Amazon.

And as others have said, a $4 royalty is easily achieved on a $6 book, though I think that's a lot of money to ask for an unknown's ebook. I like $4.99 as a price, though most people here advocate for $2.99. Whatever you do, experiment with pricing.

(Don't trust KDP to publish a print edition. Don't trust CreateSpace to publish an ebook.)

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writerbn

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Posted: Nov 7, 2017 4:32 AM   in response to: Jose Madruaga in response to: Jose Madruaga
 
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Jose Madruaga wrote:
For a $5.99 ebook I receive a $4.00 royalty on another platform. On Amazon for a 5.99 ebook I receive a $2.10 royalty. Amazon DOES NOT do any authors a favor, EVER! You do the work, and Amazon rips you off! I’m at a lost as to why writers go out of their way schmoozing Amazon when we as authors are getting shafted by Amazon. DON’T get me started on how out of touch Jeff Bezos is, with his company and life... Any feedback?

As I said before the last time you posted this, the answer is simple. If you don't like the terms, don't publish on the Zon. I'm not happy about getting 35% royalties from India, for example, but I accept that it's part of doing business, and I move on.
Gary O'Riley

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Posted: Nov 7, 2017 4:44 AM   in response to: Jose Madruaga in response to: Jose Madruaga
 
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Worth remembering that traditional publishers don't do authors any favours.

I'm in the UK. Traditionally published paperbacks sell for £7.00 ; (give or take a penny) The author gets about 10% of the retail price, which usually works out to less than a pound per copy sold.

I'm acquainted with a middle list author who writes spy novels. He is signed to one of the big trad five, and is regarded as a successful author, and yet he makes no more than three thousand pounds per year! He also has to do most of his own marketing. His publisher has many press contacts, and is able to send out ARCs, but that is about as far as his publisher is willing to go with regards to marketing.

Of course, Jeff B is out to rip us off, just like the trads, just like vanity publishers, just like everyone else...welcome to the jungle!
Cécilia

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Posted: Nov 7, 2017 5:03 AM   in response to: Jose Madruaga in response to: Jose Madruaga
 
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Yep, they are making money on your work, but you are too. Amazon is one of the easiest way to get your book sold ;)
maineauthor

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Posted: Nov 7, 2017 5:04 AM   in response to: Jose Madruaga in response to: Jose Madruaga
 
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A decade ago, when I was traditionally published, I made approximately 47¢ for every paperback that was sold. And don't even ask me to tell you the horror stories I have about traditional publishing. Suffice it to say there are many. I think that "ecstatic" might be the right word to describe how I feel about getting a 70% royalty from Amazon. Oh, and I could add that once my books are published here at Amazon, they remain available until/unless I decide to take them down. My trad-pubbed books were pulled off the store shelves after 3-4 weeks, stripped of their covers, and disposed of. Is Amazon perfect? Hell, no. But neither is any other publishing venue. Of all the options available to me, I find Amazon the best. Your mileage may vary.

I am curious, though. Why are you getting a 35% royalty instead of 70%?
writerbn

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Posted: Nov 7, 2017 5:58 AM   in response to: maineauthor in response to: maineauthor
 
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maineauthor wrote:
I am curious, though. Why are you getting a 35% royalty instead of 70%?
Just guessing here, since the OP has mentioned the books are wide, that he is referring to royalties from Mexico/Brazil/India/Japan, etc. For some countries, the Zon only pays 35%, regardless of list price, if the books are not in Select.
maineauthor

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writerbn wrote:
maineauthor wrote:
I am curious, though. Why are you getting a 35% royalty instead of 70%?
Just guessing here, since the OP has mentioned the books are wide, that he is referring to royalties from Mexico/Brazil/India/Japan, etc. For some countries, the Zon only pays 35%, regardless of list price, if the books are not in Select.

True, but the OP wasn't clear as to whether he meant all territories or some.
Notjohn

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Posted: Nov 7, 2017 12:55 PM   in response to: maineauthor in response to: maineauthor
 
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I made approximately 47¢ for every paperback that was sold

Sure, but the rule of thumb was that if you put a decent cover on it, a hardcover novel should sell 2500 copies while the mass-market paperback sold 75,000. Not many self-published ebooks sell more than a thousand copies, and very very few self-published paperbacks.

My first two novels went the mass-market route. They sold more than 100,000 copies between them, mostly in the US but some also in Canada, Britain, and Netherlands. One also was filmed. I was able to support myself, my wife, and one child with only occasional forays into day labor. None of that would have happened without Doubleday and its magnificent subsidiary rights department. I rue the day I left them.

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